Future Events Law and Kid's awakenings are going to look ridiculous compared to Luffy's fruit awakening.

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

He is going to be defeated ALONE that is my point. I didn't say Kaido has been fighting alone the whole time vs Luffy. That is why I said "going to get" too.

He should’ve died 4 times already. That’s not superior portrayal to anybody, he’s relying on plot magic not fighting ability. An regardless of whether he’s alone in the finish. He’s had massive help, more then a simple tag team.

Luffy is going to get the credit too inevitably and major wanking both by people in the story even more than post WCI by far and also same by people IRL, especially Luffy fanboys and such ofc.

He’ll get the same amount or slightly more credit for defeating a Yonko. As Law an Kid for beating another. Out of verse everybody already knows luffy should be dead 2 PUs ago.

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The amount of blood Luffy's gear attacks managed to draw from hybrid Kaido looked more impressive, let alone his awakening. Big Mom is less durable than Kaido and she still smiled while encouraging Kid to shoot his Damned Punk right after eating PW, Their awakenings getting overshadowed by Kaido's bombs, the actual finisher, just added insult to injury.

Drawing blood> Breaking multiple bones
Bombs > PW
yet Meme begging to not be hit by the former. An doesn’t care about the bomb at all.​

Can Blackbeard even hurt a Yonko yet?? Last we saw his best feat jumping Marco lol

 

[Roo]

It’s almost as if Luffy is the MC

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It doesn't make sense her to used it against Pageone but fucking not against Kid and Law. What Speed could feel was just normal CoC. Nothing suggest that she really used adv CoC against Kid and Law.

Maybe she did use it against them, but it was off-screen. Or maybe she can't use it consciously and only did so against page one because tama activated some motherly instinct in her. idk, but you cannot say she wasn't fighting them seriously when she was literally sacrificing lifespan to fight them.

She could have one final power up that we didn't get to see. If sacrificing lifespan makes her stronger, then presumably she has some sort of final resort where she sacrifices all her lifespan. But bar that I don't know what else she could have up her sleeve.

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Another thing, Kaido could just be significantly stronger than Linlin. Kaido is the WSC. But Linlin being significantly nerfed or holding back in a major way makes zero sense.
Look at how much damage she took. Kid and Law fought her for like 20 chapters and were doing serious damage to her.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda just wants to leave this to the anime, which will inevitably flesh out the fight. Chances are Linlin will use ACoC in the anime and then people can finally shut up about it.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Obviously Luffy would overshadowed Law and Kidd, but Law's Awakening was definitely op though.

 

[Blackbeard]

Drawing blood> Breaking multiple bones
Bombs > PW
yet Meme begging to not be hit by the former. An doesn’t care about the bomb at all.​

Luffy's attacks don't ignore durability and they were against someone far more durable than BM, Low's attack on the other hand bypassed BM's skin and yet she laughed at the next attack pinpointed at her. Their own subordinates said she was far from being down and Low + Kid were barely standing on two legs after dropping her in the hole, BM would have returned to bodybag both if it wasn't for plot saving them through Kaido's bombs.

Resorting to ad hominem by bringing the Marshall (who neg diffs Low) is the only way for Low stans to cope with it.

 

[kumae]

Law awakening is one of the bests kidd for the other hand mmmm well......let's leave it there

 

[nik87]

I wasnt impressed by Doffy's Awakening.
I wasnt impressed by Katakuri's Awakening.
I wasnt impressed by Law's Awakening.
I wasnt impressed by Kidd's Awakening.

I guess Luffy's won't impress me either.
I dont know what people expect from it.
It might finally bump him from High tier into Top tier.
If he is lucky. I guess that could be called impressive.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Luffy's attacks don't ignore durability and they were against someone far more durable than BM,

Luffy enhancing his attacks with internal ryou fool. At least troll correctly smh.

Low's attack on the other hand bypassed BM's skin and yet she laughed at the next attack pinpointed at her.

What Did she do for PW? Tf does her reaction to someone else... Have to do with her begging Law not to use PW? Ur trying but god ur bad at it. Cope somewhere in silence

Their own subordinates said she was far from being down and Low + Kid were barely standing on two legs after dropping her in the hole, BM would have returned to bodybag both if it wasn't for plot saving them through Kaido's bombs.

An that has what to do with Luffy attacks? Kaido tanks Ashrua/KKG an not slowed down even for a second. Each time Requiring similar plot armor for saving. What’s ur point lol??

Resorting to ad hominem by bringing the Marshall (who neg diffs Low) is the only way for Low stans to cope with it.

BB the loser lol, what’s the has been or technically need been. Up to lately?? Law forming Alliance to taking down Yonko alliances. Can we expect the background loser to be relevant any time soon??

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

It’s almost as if Luffy is the MC

Who is this Luffy I keep people hearing about?

 

[Mugiwara56]

It called world class battle for a reason, so far only fight who called world class battle in this case by Oda and why Kid and Law vs BM was not called like that, it has multiple reason, I said it in my thread also the reasons why the fight totally fail:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...y-did-they-really-beat-big-mom-analyze.22107/

Pls don´t misunderstand me Kid and Law fans, they did a incredible job but let be honest.
Bm was nerfed and I bet all my money that if BM face Luffy in Elbaf, the whole atmospähre and fightstyle of her will be different then the BM which we see against Law and Kid...

Starting with the fact that BM going use more adv CoC against Luffy and perhaps her awakening could be so broken that she kinda got 50% more power, so what we like see was BM at best with 50% against Kid and Law and even then they barely could throw her out with luck, 50% was enough to beat Kid and Law if they wouldn´t had luck on their side. But again it is still a incredible feat for Law and Kid but sadly it not come close to the fight with Kaido vs Luffy...

Their is a reason why Luffy vs Kaido is called world class battle while the letter is not, duo BM was nerfed and holding back from using her true power.

Now coming back to Kaido vs Luffy, Luffy is the strongest member in the alliance, he has adv CoC,adv CoO and adv CoA.
No one in the alliance all have this, at top he has G4 who already beat the shit of YC without all adv hakis+physical+states boost as what Luffy got.

So we can assume that G4 Boundman Luffy with adv CoC+adv CoA+adv CoO is around mid top tier lvl(probably lowest stages but still), while character like Kid,Law,Zoro and Yamato are probably low top tiers.

Duo Kaido beeing nerfed and Luffy been that strong, it was still called world class battle, like two admirals fighting each other, ofc Kaido is above that lvl.

And yeah you are not wrong, from now Kaido will receive even more op feats, more and better feats.
At top he could have awakened power who could push him even far stronger, his portrayal is already incredible and he keep rising.
It clear that Oda do his best to show us why Kaido is the strongest character and I bet my money on his future feats who will look even far better.

When Oda said this:

He not just mean Luffy, but his opponent Kaido will shine even more and more.
When it come to Luffy opponents, overall about Kaido, shit going down how Oda hyping them always.
So don´t just pay attention to Luffy, pay attention to Kaido!!!

Awakened Kaido vs Awakened Joyboy will show why this fight is a world class battle, not just Onigashima is in danger, whole wano will burn soon...

As I said, nothing against Kid and Law(at most Law for his incredible feats), but what soon Kaido vs Luffy will show, it will made look these fights as ant battle...

Exactly what will happen in the next chapters is going to be crazy for Kaido and Luffy.

It's gonna be crazy. It turns out that Kaido will have to face Zunesha + Luffy awakened (Joyboy Mode) and is highly possible.

Luffy's awakening can really OP very much. At the end of chapter 1043 he seems to regenerate. I think Kaido and Luffy fans eat the most in this arc. For Big Mom as you said, I think if Luffy faces her in Erbaf, she will be stronger, she will actually use all her skills without underestimating him.

I don't know why Oda didn't have him use AdvCoc against Kid and Law. And then when Big Mom was beaten no one was that surprised in the alliance. I do not understand. As if it was reachable or not dangerous. Whereas for Kaido and Luffy! Oda puts everything in place!

Luffy and Kaido surrender one after the other with Kaido still superior but Luffy that he isn't far behind. They almost all used all Hakis, all Advanced Hakis, even their fruit aspects, Gears, Zoans Mode, Stuffed Mode. Literally everything!

Yonko Clash! And there they will reveal their awakenings.

In this fight even what concerns the One Piece or the forgotten century is evoked "Joyboy". Like you said it's a total world class fight.

@Tyki_Mikk

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What will happen in the next chapters is going to be crazy for Kaido and Luffy. It's gonna be crazy. It turns out that Kaido will have to face Zunesha + Luffy awakened (Joyboy Mode) and is highly possible.

Luffy's awakening can really OP very much. At the end of chapter 1043 he seems to regenerate. I think Kaido and Luffy fans eat the most in this arc.

@Monkey D Theories

For Big Mom, I think if Luffy faces her in Erbaf, she will be stronger, she will actually use all her skills without underestimating him.

I don't know why Oda didn't have him use AdvCoc against Kid and Law. And then when Big Mom was beaten no one was that surprised in the alliance.

I do not understand. As if it was reachable or not dangerous.

Whereas for Kaido and Luffy! Oda puts everything in place! Luffy and Kaido surrender one after the other with Kaido still superior but Luffy that he isn't far behind.

They almost all used all Hakis, all Advanced Hakis, even their fruit aspects, Gears, Zoans Mode, Stuffed Mode. Literally everything! Yonko Clash! And there they will reveal their awakenings. In this fight even what concerns the One Piece or the forgotten century is evoked "Joyboy". Like you said it's a total world class fight.

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Luffy's awakening is G5 just like Law and Midd's were new attacks, you're expecting too much.

Luffy will unlock more than new attacks as was the case for Gear2/3, the first Gear 4. I think awakening will really be some kind of mod for Luffy besides his new attacks

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Laws awakening was OK. But Kids awakening could have been waaay better. His DF has so much potential. If the MC had Kids DF it would be the best in OP.
I dont really mind Odas wank for Luffy anymore. He could make Luffy a planet buster and I still wouldnt be surprised.

Kid has ridiculous abilities compared to Luffy it's true and it's a shame

 

[ShadyOjiro]

It’s possible, tho it’ll need to do a hell of a Lot. To make people completely overlook Laws high top tier offense in awakening. It’ll more then likely just be slightly more impressive. Otherwise what lvl of offense are we expecting... God tier???

The WG doesn’t give a damn about a DF, they’ve priced. As more valuable, Then 1 of Yonko bounty? That’s just nonsensical on so many lvls lol

Due the eternal life surgery pal .

And they still let the DF in the wild bro despite knowing the location of the user that's the WG not caring bout it cuz it doesn't threatens their future unlike Luffy DF.

In importancee / power Luffy DF >>>>> law

 

[Monkey D Theories]

@Monkey D Theories

For Big Mom, I think if Luffy faces her in Erbaf, she will be stronger, she will actually use all her skills without underestimating him.

I don't know why Oda didn't have him use AdvCoc against Kid and Law. And then when Big Mom was beaten no one was that surprised in the alliance.

I do not understand. As if it was reachable or not dangerous.

Whereas for Kaido and Luffy! Oda puts everything in place! Luffy and Kaido surrender one after the other with Kaido still superior but Luffy that he isn't far behind.

They almost all used all Hakis, all Advanced Hakis, even their fruit aspects, Gears, Zoans Mode, Stuffed Mode. Literally everything! Yonko Clash! And there they will reveal their awakenings. In this fight even what concerns the One Piece or the forgotten century is evoked "Joyboy". Like you said it's a total world class fight.

big mom vs kid and law was an extreme diff fight for big mom. That's just a fact. If there's some aspect of the fight you think Oda didn't flesh out enough(like linlin's haki), it was because he off-screened 90% of it.

 

[Mugiwara56]

big mom vs kid and law was an extreme diff fight for big mom. That's just a fact. If there's some aspect of the fight you think Oda didn't flesh out enough(like linlin's haki), it was because he off-screened 90% of it.

Not only that, Big Mom was "defeated" by Law and Kid who didn't use Haki in the fight, who don't have any Advanced Haki.

Kaido defeated Luffy who is vastly stronger than Kid and Law three times those Powers-Ups. He had fun against Yamato who has Advanced Kings Haki.

He sprayed the 9 scabbards with his eyes closed. Not to mention the blows he took easily.

All this while carrying an island. I don't understand how Big Mom can be so far from Kaido like that and be so dumb, not thoughtful in battle.

 

[centurion]

Who cares what it will look like, the fact he's even getting Awakening on top of his AdvCoC and Ryuo powerups while Kid and Law only get Awakening is ridiculous. How can anyone consider them rivals at this point anymore? the gap just keeps widening arc by arc, chapter by chapter. And let's not even talk about their crews... ugh

but ofc, he's the MC, gotta give him all the attention

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Due the eternal life surgery pal .

When was that said or implied?? Panels not ur brainless assumptions.

Especially considering multiple Yonko!!!! hype it’s Lethality/ AP, not it’s ability to extend Life.

And they still let the DF in the wild bro despite knowing the location of the user that's the WG not caring bout it cuz it doesn't threatens their future unlike Luffy DF.

Let it out in the wild?? There offering more money then, being down a ruler of the sea. There’s literally no other DF at the moment we know the WG wants that bad.


It’s not like they sent Admirals or something. They saw the opportunity to prevent Luffy awakening. Nobody arguing if it’s valued. The argument u claiming Laws op op not....

In importancee / power Luffy DF >>>>> law

Law fruit was said to be capable of helping doffy take over the world. Slow down on the importance part.... EoS Law might give u a copium overdose.

as far as the Power goes, we’ve yet to see it. But it being massively superior to high top tier offense a bold prediction. Lol glad ur constantly wrong about everything

 

[Finalbeta]

"Luffy" is gonna ridiculize everyone bar Zoro, mark my words.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

"Luffy" is gonna ridiculize everyone bar Zoro, mark my words.

Zoro already behind Law awakening in DC/lethality/Aoe/Range/AP....

 

[ZenZu]

For all we know the gorosei could be fearing the fact that Luffy's df has a link to the ancient weapons. That's all.

In fact that's much more likely than the gorosei fearing the awakening because of combat ability, that makes little to no sense unless Luffy's awakening is god tier all of a sudden and I doubt Oda is going there.

So the answer is, no you're expecting way too much out of the awakening in terms of combat. Luffy's fruit has never been that OP, don't expect its awakening to suddenly make it the best fruit by a landslide. The gorosei were targeting Nico Robin over Luffy not too long ago, their motives have little to do with combat.

 

[Mugiwara56]

For all we know the gorosei could be fearing the fact that Luffy's df has a link to the ancient weapons. That's all.

In fact that's much more likely than the gorosei fearing the awakening because of combat ability, that makes little to no sense unless Luffy's awakening is god tier all of a sudden and I doubt Oda is going there.

So the answer is, no you're expecting way too much out of the awakening in terms of combat. Luffy's fruit has never been that OP, don't expect its awakening to suddenly make it the best fruit by a landslide. The gorosei were targeting Nico Robin over Luffy not too long ago, their motives have little to do with combat.

He still feared that the chosen fruit would awaken that hadn't been made for 800 years. They said the real name of the fruit was hidden.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro already behind Law awakening in DC/lethality/Aoe/Range/AP....

We haven't seen an healthy Grandmaster pulling his strongest attack on Kaido or even Big Mom who by recent portrayal seems probably less durable than Kaido given Damned Punk proved more effective than an alleged advanced version of KKG.

A messed up Zoro managed not to look so inferior to that last attack I mentioned, not at all actually, so I'm looking forward Zoro at his best.