The fact that you are giving op post timeskip a 5.5 and naruto at any point a 8 proves that you are smoking some kind of cheap weed , naruto can’t top op at any point, it is just a surface level manga with mediocre writing, while one piece is doing some of the best in all manga medium even with its flaws
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Lololol, the one thing you can't blame Kishimoto on is that "he doesn't show and only tells". That is 100% Oda who does that. Kishimoto did show and tell especially the friendship and rivalry dynamics between Sasuke and Nauruto.
this is funny , because people have some problem with Oda never telling , if you are not analytical enough to get what he is showing , then you will be in the dark for ever
Lololol, the one thing you can't blame Kishimoto on is that "he doesn't show and only tells". That is 100% Oda who does that. Kishimoto did show and tell especially the friendship and rivalry dynamics between Sasuke and Nauruto.
Over half of Naruto was spent on him crying about Sasuke. It gets real annoying especially when it wasn't all that to begin with. Sasuke was a douchebag from day 1, he had some moments here or there but that's about it.
That's true Kishi's writing can be a bit shallow. But each arc still completed its purpose, and had a great mix of everything, the tension, characters, atmosphere, pace was all on point.
Post skip One Piece has turned the strawhats into complete sidenotes for unlikable one arc rentals. It takes away a lot of what made One Piece great in the first place. I feel like Oda just stuffs chapters with text and shoutouts but can't focus on one thing at a time, this is still a visual medium and Oda's fallen off hard in setting the tone there. The problem is it's too bloated. One Piece feels like a parody of itself at this point to me.
I'm sorry, I do not understand the question. Can you rephrase it
Bleach — 5.5 to a 6.5 if you include the Light Novel which is honestly the kind of arc Bleach needed in it. It has some real good imagery and themes that's fairly well buried under a mountain of half conceived plot threads and bullshit. I like the extended cast a lot though.
Naruto — 6.5 or a 7, though it is my favorite series so I'm a little biased.
LMFAO comparing it to Book 2 of Korra is real rough but I kind of agree.
The 5 chapters of Darui fighting Kinkaku and Ginkaku then the Mifune versus Hanzo immediately after makes the War Arc impossible to reread without skips. Random ass characters i don't care about getting screen time over Neji, Lee or Sakura is a travesty.
Bleach — 5.5 to a 6.5 if you include the Light Novel which is honestly the kind of arc Bleach needed in it. It has some real good imagery and themes that's fairly well buried under a mountain of half conceived plot threads and bullshit. I like the extended cast a lot though.
Naruto — 6.5 or a 7, though it is my favorite series so I'm a little biased.
LMFAO comparing it to Book 2 of Korra is real rough but I kind of agree.
The 5 chapters of Darui fighting Kinkaku and Ginkaku then the Mifune versus Hanzo immediately after makes the War Arc impossible to reread without skips. Random ass characters i don't care about getting screen time over Neji, Lee or Sakura is a travesty.
Lololol, the one thing you can't blame Kishimoto on is that "he doesn't show and only tells". That is 100% Oda who does that. Kishimoto did show and tell especially the friendship and rivalry dynamics between Sasuke and Nauruto.
I'm fine with the plotline itself but under scrutiny lol.. There's a reason why so many people used to make Naruto/Sasuke gay jokes
What do you mean by “what made one piece great at first place “ it may be annoying , but what is wrong with the fact that they are not the focus of the story anymore , at least until they become the focus again, what made one piece great is the stories and the themes presented through it , and how Oda was growing as a writer , I won’t deny that there is some problem in the structure, some unnecessary things in FI and PH , but the deep story that we loved is still the same
One piece is obviously superior in literary aspects , if op really went bad after chapter 800 , it is still superior in what came before , in every aspect
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One piece is obviously superior in literary aspects , if op really went bad after chapter 800 , it is still superior in what came before , in every aspect
But after Sasuke left the village it was too late to develop their friendships more. Kishi already spent the entire pretime skip doing that. What can Kishi do from a writing stand point after Sasuke left the village to develop their relationship more? Have team 7 reunite and go on missions again lol? Shippuden focused on Naruto wanting to rescue Sasuke however Kishi also had to focus on Sasuke venges towards Itachi and the leaf village elders. Those two subplots don't parallel with developing their friendship so I can't see how you can develop it even more.
The one thing you can disagree on with Kishimoto about the Sasuke and Naruto relationship was that Kishi took it too far sometimes, like Naruto saying "we are both going to die together". There are plenty of those events were Kishi took it too far however you can't blame Kishi for not developing their relationship of brotherhood.
But that is a different argument though. What you are saying is that the relationship between the two didn't merit the actions of Naruto which I totally agree with that. Kishi did take it too far, like the hyper ventilating part. I didn't like that either. Nor when Naruto said "we are both going to die together". Or when Naruto was getting punched bad by the cloud village people, I really hated that part. That was taking it too far.
The one thing you can disagree on with Kishimoto about the Sasuke and Naruto relationship was that Kishi took it too far sometimes, like Naruto saying "we are both going to die together". There are plenty of those events were Kishi took it too far however you can't blame Kishi for not developing their relationship of brotherhood.
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But that is a different argument though. What you are saying is that the relationship between the two didn't merit the actions of Naruto which I totally agree with that. Kishi did take it too far, like the hyper ventilating part. I didn't like that either. Nor when Naruto said "we are both going to die together". Or when Naruto was getting punched bad by the cloud village people, I really hated that part. That was taking it too far.
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I'm a big proponent that Kishi went too far too fast into the Chuunin exams and should've given us at least one if not two more arcs before jumping in there. The entirety of Naruto boils down to the title character and Sasuke's relationship so devoting more arcs to their growth early on is just a smart move IMO.
One of Kishi's earlier drafts even had the Chuunin exams pushed back further into the story so he could introduce genin from other villages in independent arcs. I think it's a shame he didn't do this.
One of Kishi's earlier drafts even had the Chuunin exams pushed back further into the story so he could introduce genin from other villages in independent arcs. I think it's a shame he didn't do this.
Adding to what i said before , One piece subtlety and nuance is what made it great , Oda can write whole story with only hints without saying a word , he can make every character deep and realistic even buggy, that’s a level of writing that kishimoto can’t reach because he is not talented , naruto is just an enjoyable series with nearly zero analytical value
