I don't think the timing of my claim was an issue here, though. I guess my overall point is that the trade off doesn't seem to be mutual - rather than it be "we'll get you your wincon if you help us", it's "help us and if you happen to get your wincon before then, fine, but otherwise forget it". I don't think that's conducive to getting indies to co-operate, rather it's going to have them act as extra scum I think. In this specific case I was going to have to work towards the town wincon anyway, but if I had just said I was Town, I'd have been town locked after D2 and probably not questioned once. I certainly wouldn't have been rolecrushed.