Spoiler One Piece Chapter 973 Spoilers Discussion

[Dark Hound]

LOL about the morons who complain because last chapter was not the last of the flashback lmao

Even though there was no closure in last chapter.... (albino, topi jerami...)

 

[Topi Jerami]

LOL about the genius who still lawyering Oda although he straightly lied to your face lmao

Even though he wrote "we come back to current storyline" in last chapter.... (Dark Hound)

 

[Red Dog]

But how did he change his style?

From rage from demon it seems...

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Idk this chapter seems to add so little.

Denjiro being Kyoshiro / witching hour boy is ok I guess but a whole chapter about it....wew

Oda again prolonging the unnecessary.

 

[Dark Hound]

ZOROBOIS WHERE U AT ? VIRGIN HIYORI HYPE
10/10 chapter already

Don't get me started on the dumbasses who hate Zroro so much they had to make up the fact that Hiyori was a whore who **cked all of Wano

They're fucking desperate

 

[Kromage911]

Why ain’t we getting any more info.?? The info we got are only from the 2-3 pages that we got earlier right..?? I still believe we move in to present timeline in this chapter..!!

Feel sorry for your expectations as we can see in the pic that the chapter ends with komurasaki growing up (we can see the ending watermark)

 

[Dark Admiral]

Feel sorry for your expectations as we can see in the pic that the chapter ends with komurasaki growing up (we can see the ending watermark)

Shit, you’re right..!!

 

[Godusopp]

Feel sorry for your expectations as we can see in the pic that the chapter ends with komurasaki growing up (we can see the ending watermark)

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Don't get me started on the dumbasses who hate Zroro so much they had to make up the fact that Hiyori was a whore who **cked all of Wano

They're fucking desperate

What does Hiyori being a whore or not matter to Zoro. I'm a Zoro fan and I'd prefer she was a prostitute since that would have maked her different from every other stock standard princess in the series

And again, what does this have to do with Zoro?

 

[Kejon]

He's Dennjirou

So we already knows what his goals and motivations are

But that still makes him an interesting character. Just because we know he is Denjiro doesn't change the fact that only Hiyori knows about it.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

But how did he change his style?

Apparently he squinted his face so hard that it actually changed shape from too much frowning

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

It's complicated in the sense they started out not as that. Then they were but in private and very expensively. Then at some point it became common practice but was still shrouded in "sophistication" as the geishas would still have to do other things besides sex but in the end they still did it. Kind of like the difference between escorts and prostitutes in the present.

All these changes happened over different stages of Japans history and in different times and due to different political and economic situations... The movie was criticized for not adhering to the full reality of the time when this was a practise and sort of picked and chose which aspects of Japanese culture at the times to use for the sake of drama

So like I said, it's complicated. But in essence like boiled down to what we are talking about, geishas were prostitutes. In fact the entire 'industry' collapsed when people stopped paying heftt prices for the entire song and damce when all they wanted was sex and they just decided to go to actual brothels for cheaper. Then after that there was a resurgence of the industry where they no longer prostituted but they also never called themselves geishas again until they were firmly recognised as not offering sex but by then we are already in modern Japan which isn't Wano's setting.

Oda is not picking a specific time period of course to represent Japan for Wano but as it stands, majority of the time periods he's picking did have geishas as prostitutes. He's just ignoring that part

Actually they did started as that because they derive from the Oirans we were talking about earlier.
Oirans practically did the same, at least high class ones like Komurasaki would, and sexual practices were included assuming the sum was right and said Oiran could choose her customers.

Geisha are solely for entertainment purposes entirely without any sexual implications, they are basically hostesses that are trained in different artistic pursuits, whether it´s music, drawing, tea ceremony and whatever else might fit the occasion, but sexual stuff is literally exempt from a Geisha´s duties and practices. And a client pursuing sexual advances would immediately get kicked out and get a bad reputation in those circles.

So no, Geishas are not prostitutes, they emerged as a alternative to high class prostitutes.
It even happened quite often that important or/and rich customers would look for possible marriage candidates among Geishas since they have the reputation and education fitting for his status.

And the "downfall" of Geishas definitely has something to do with possible alternative options, but it also has something to do with society simply changing. Until 2nd WW, possible paths for women were prostitute, Geisha, servant or get married and become a housewife. Due to the war effort and thus out of necessity (similarly to Germany, whose factories were full of women) women had much more possibilities and became more independent, at least to a certain extent.

 

[Yasuda]

I'm not sure why Oda revealed that Denjiro is both Kyoshiro and the Witching Hour Boy now but ok I guess. I think he should have waited until later to reveal it with a cliffhanger when there's some sort of tension with Kyoshiro and the Scabbards, then do a short flashback explaining things in the chapter after.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

But that still makes him an interesting character. Just because we know he is Denjiro doesn't change the fact that only Hiyori knows about it.

Much less interesting than him being a third party to this conflict thoug

 

[kaido33]

it's good that the flash back lasts so that oda can get rid of the few secondary intrigues and mystery that remain to be dealt with. If we want onigashima to be as successful and intense as marineford there must be absolutely no dead time or back on another scene. Kyoshiro can now release the prisoners of the capital off screen without any explanation. He will also be able to deliver all the equipment and ships necessary to attack onigashima since in the absence of orochi he holds the keys of the country of wa.
There remains only the revelation of the traitor to be treated which could correspond to the twist at the beginning of marineford on ace’s father who would launch hype and tension

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

m not sure why Oda revealed that Denjiro is both Kyoshiro and the Witching Hour Boy now b

I think its because Kyoshiro is the one who saved the strawhats in present time

Remember the straw hats are missing and Kyoshiro is also not attending the fire festival with Orochi so I think this is all revealed here because next chapter will show Kyoshiro having saved the sunny and found a way of helping the strawhats reach onigashima

 

[Kejon]

I wonder how the other scabbards will react to Kyoshiro being Denjiro. I can see Denjiro dying too.

 

[djiayebee]

First of all, like I said, Oda is picking and choosing what to add and what not to add. He's obviously removing the prostitution part for the sake of child friendlines and keeping the entertainer part

Komurasaki did not appear out of nowhere. She rose to the rank of Oiran by climbing said ranks like anyone else. She started as komuro like Toko's position helping hen previous Oiran, then she became a Geisha and then eventually she became Oiran and that's the end if that.

This isn't an accurate representation of real world ancient japan. Oda can add and remove anything he wants and keep the names for the sake. Hiyori for the sakenof plot definitely didn't sleep with anyone because Oda said so. But if any amount of realism is applied to this situation, she would have had to be a prostitute. But she isn't and that's only because plot said so. Therefore this is more of a plot hole than anything else

Ah, here we are : "plot hole"... :rolleyes: the holy grail, the magic answer to anything that doesn't match one's expectations..... dude just take your L for once, please? It's not so hard to recognize when you're wrong... Geisha aren't prostitute.

"B.. but but it's complicated... b.. but but Oda can choose to remove some parts"...
Yea sure bro, it's his own masterpiece so he can do whatever he wants. Now, this is Wano arc covering ancient Japan, in a manga mainly targetted to japanese audience (which as we know is not necessarily that young)... You think they don't know about their own history? You think geisha and oiran are taboo in Japan?

Back to your "plot hole" : sure, Komurasaki probably started from a young age as a komuro... i certainly hope you agree with me they arent prostitute from such a young age, right? Now when she turns to adult age, she rose to the rank of a fully prepared Geisha, where according to you she would "realistically start to do prostitution"... Denjiro is the pimp and the big boss of the red light district, Hyori is recognized as the most beautiful woman in entire country, and we saw how they scheme together, asking as much money as she can to naive rich bad guys for ages then using Denjiro and the yakusa in the end to beat the fuck out of them....
Sorry but where is the plot hole here? that Denjiro was her protector all along?

 

[bluefire12]

Wait will Shiki be in this arc? Or is he dead?

 

[Buusatan94]

Wait will Shiki be in this arc? Or is he dead?

We have no way of knowing