Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 955: Enma

[Aknolagon]

Fantastic chapter!! Zoro and Luffy training to defeat kaido is so dope. It was maybe the most important chapter before the fight with all the informations.

So it was right when people said zoro knew how to use ryou, he just did it casually lol. And Enma is so good!!
The fire and the attack coming from enma


King is a really the Beast if it need zoro with ashura and enma, wado and maybe nidai with blake blade to defeat him

Hope the Scabbard won't get trapped and fucked by beast pirates lol!

So excited to see the war and of course Luffy and Zoro vs Kaido if it happens, the best duo against the WSC

 

[ardym]

even Chopper trains as well. it will not surprise me if Sanji trains as well. but he will might be invisible :D just kidding but Oda could use that

 

[Sparda]

Only Oden could tame Enma you say!? BUT WE NEED PANELS OF EVERYONE IN WANO TRYING TO TAME IT

exactly, we need to see how many were killed and the swordsmith who crafted Emma laugh his arse off :ROFLMAO:

 

[Hiragaro]

Are you dumb. I'm saying it's not a PU because it's the same grade of Sword. When Zoro masters it he will be Stronger. So that stronger Zoro would use Shisui too. Read what Zoro said. You write random things and lie about statements made.

Oh, so now we are getting personal here? So i am dumb, because THE MANGA ITSELF SAY IT'S A PU??? You are delusional. Let me guess, if Zoro would get a DF, it wouldn't be a PU, because Zoro have to learn it? lmao
Better swords make a swordsman stronger.
Zoro thanked Ryuuma that he gave him such a good sword. The weight of it, made it possible that Zoro could deflect Oars arm and it combined the attack of the other swords to make a STRONGER attack. Weird right? It makes Zoros attacks stronger, but it is somehow not a PU...You have to be blind or just a delusional Zoro fanboy to deny the manga itself.
If a sword is not a PU, why are there different level of swords and Zoro is keep getting better ones?

''Read what Zoro said. You write random things and lie about statements made.''
Now i am curious, what ''random'' things and ''lies'' did i write? LOL wtf is this here.

If a sword is not a PU, learning to use it (master it) wouldn't make you any stronger. Why should it? If a sword can't be a PU, means every sword is the same. Why even bother to take this magical sword, when you could just pick up every other one?

 

[Gran D. Master]

Oh, so now we are getting personal here? So i am dumb, because THE MANGA ITSELF SAY IT'S A PU??? You are delusional. Let me guess, if Zoro would get a DF, it wouldn't be a PU, because Zoro have to learn it? lmao
Better swords make a swordsman stronger.
Zoro thanked Ryuuma that he gave him such a good sword. The weight of it, made it possible that Zoro could deflect Oars arm and it combined the attack of the other swords to make a STRONGER attack. Weird right? It makes Zoros attacks stronger, but it is somehow not a PU...You have to be blind or just a delusional Zoro fanboy to deny the manga itself.
If a sword is not a PU, why are there different level of swords and Zoro is keep getting better ones?

''Read what Zoro said. You write random things and lie about statements made.''
Now i am curious, what ''random'' things and ''lies'' did i write? LOL wtf is this here.

If a sword is not a PU, learning to use it (master it) wouldn't make you any stronger. Why should it? If a sword can't be a PU, means every sword is the same. Why even bother to take this magical sword, when you could just pick up every other one?

do you think Zoro became stronger the moment he picked up enma?

 

[HA001]

do you think Zoro became stronger the moment he picked up enma?

No point asking. Statements are incomprehensible and questions are solid proof

 

[Shura]

do you think Zoro became stronger the moment he picked up enma?

yeah...when I get DF I am stronger but I need to know how to control and use it....it depends on my capability

 

[Gran D. Master]

No point asking. Statements are incomprehensible and questions are solid proof

I swear after this chapter people actually started pretending that Zoro cutting the cliff is a better feat that Cutting Pica, only because he did it while holding enma

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yeah...when I get DF I am stronger but I need to know how to control and use it....it depends on my capability

but Zoro literally became an inferior swordsman the moment he picked up enma; the basic definition of a great swordsman in one piece is someone who only cuts what they want to cut. Zoro wanted to cut a tree but ended up cutting a whole cliff because he lost control. Current Zoro would lose to the Zoro with Shusui. And no, df powers are more like the raid suit, even if you don't know how to use them properly, they instantly make you stronger

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Zoro with mastered enma >> Zoro with Shusui >>>>>>>>>>>> Zoro with current enma (cannot even cut a tree)
Where is the power up lol?

 

[Guts]

Oh, so now we are getting personal here? So i am dumb, because THE MANGA ITSELF SAY IT'S A PU??? You are delusional. Let me guess, if Zoro would get a DF, it wouldn't be a PU, because Zoro have to learn it? lmao
Better swords make a swordsman stronger.
Zoro thanked Ryuuma that he gave him such a good sword. The weight of it, made it possible that Zoro could deflect Oars arm and it combined the attack of the other swords to make a STRONGER attack. Weird right? It makes Zoros attacks stronger, but it is somehow not a PU...You have to be blind or just a delusional Zoro fanboy to deny the manga itself.
If a sword is not a PU, why are there different level of swords and Zoro is keep getting better ones?

''Read what Zoro said. You write random things and lie about statements made.''
Now i am curious, what ''random'' things and ''lies'' did i write? LOL wtf is this here.

If a sword is not a PU, learning to use it (master it) wouldn't make you any stronger. Why should it? If a sword can't be a PU, means every sword is the same. Why even bother to take this magical sword, when you could just pick up every other one?

:cheers:

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If a sword is not a PU, learning to use it (master it) wouldn't make you any stronger. Why should it? If a sword can't be a PU, means every sword is the same. Why even bother to take this magical sword, when you could just pick up every other one?

Now you are copying me!

 

[Shura]

but Zoro literally became an inferior swordsman the moment he picked up enma; the basic definition of a great swordsman in one piece is someone who only cuts what they want to cut. Zoro wanted to cut a tree but ended up cutting a whole cliff because he lost control. Current Zoro would lose to the Zoro with Shusui. And no, df powers are more like the raid suit, even if you don't know how to use them properly, they instantly make you stronger

See.."control" is the key word......Zoro didn't become inferior swordsman....he just couldn't "control" the attack.....the attack is powerful nonetheless...it is like DF all over again...you don't control it...it will do more damage than required....

 

[Ice devil slayer]

What's really impressive is that it was a casual slash here..he cut the whole cliff off without even trying a little
Can't wait to see how strong Zoro will be at the end of Wano

 

[Guan Yu]

Summary of this chapter:

 

[yorosenpai]

I was reading a lot stuff on twitter and 2 point stuck on me:

- Zoro strong will aka possible uses of CoC - (20 chapter ago, Oda told us about Zoro's aura), in today's chapter the scene where Oda put the focus on Zoro'eyes to call back his ryu that was drain by Enma. I believe that Oda want to make clear about Zoro strong will which is necessary for having CoC

- Something pretty curios. chapter 559 - title - destiny - today's chapter Enma 955 (inverted number - both connected to Zoro)

 

[HA001]

I was reading a lot stuff on twitter and 2 point stuck on me:

- Zoro strong will aka possible uses of CoC - (20 chapter ago, Oda told us about Zoro's aura), in today's chapter the scene where Oda put the focus on Zoro'eyes to call back his ryu that was drain by Enma.

- Something pretty curios. chapter 559 - title - destiny - today's chapter Enma 955 (inverted number - both connected to Zoro)

Ive seen somewhere its the same kanji when shanks used it on the sea king.

 

[yorosenpai]

Ive seen somewhere its the same kanji when shanks used it on the sea king.

Indeed.
Fast check - Shanks scared the sea monster - 100 chapter later we got confirmation that Shanks has CoC (of course Shanks strong will to protect Luffy was part of it)
Zoro pre time skip - Kuma scene where Zoro take all Luffy pain (aka we see Zoro strong will)
After time skip - Zoro scare to death monet (which isnt folder, cant move)
Wano arc (Sumo guys left cuz Zoro'aura)
Enma a sword that was used only by Oden (confirmed character with CoC)
Current time only Zoro is able to hold this sword (so someone that want to be the number 1 swordsman, confirmed strong will, scarred to death monet will not have coc? Of course he will show CoC and pretty soon :cheers:

 

[Finalbeta]

Sanji will get the ultimate raid suit upgrade from vegapunk.

He better get an exoskeleton tbh :smithnie:

 

[Gran D. Master]

See.."control" is the key word......Zoro didn't become inferior swordsman....he just couldn't "control" the attack.....the attack is powerful nonetheless...it is like DF all over again...you don't control it...it will do more damage than required....

Zoro IS an inferior swordsman as long as he cannot control enma. Why do you think he couldn't "control" the attack? It's because he wasn't STRONG enough. And the attack wasn't meant to be that powerful, it was meant to cut a tree. Are you going to pretend that attack was more powerful than Zoro's attacks were before he had enma? The sword is not like a devil fruit; Zoro was a stronger swordsman when he had shusui than he currently is with enma, whereas if you eat a devil fruit or put on a raid suit, even if you aren't fully able to control it yet, you inherently become stronger than you were previously, unlike Zoro who previously was still stronger with Shusui. DF's are like picking up a magic wand, where just holding it makes you stronger in some way even if you haven't mastered it yet, whereas Enma is like dumbbell that Zoro is struggling to lift so he has to carry it around and get used to its weight until he's strong enough to handle its weight, and by the time he's used to the weight he'd obviously grown stronger

 

[Redx]

Hm. Looks like some people are finally starting to get it.

What he's noticing is really just basic narrative structure. Something that I pointed out countless times.

"The setup is where all of the main characters and their basic situations are introduced, and contains the primary level of characterization (exploring the character's backgrounds and personalities). A problem is also introduced, which is what drives the story forward."

Yet we still had people completely missing the point and whining about nonsense that didn't matter.

 

[ardym]

Franky makes ships for 10000 people and they have only 4200 , time to discuss who will join the battle again https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...nd-bm-who-else-will-join-luffys-alliance.342/

 

[Zowo]

yeah...when I get DF I am stronger but I need to know how to control and use it....it depends on my capability

Zoro IS an inferior swordsman as long as he cannot control enma. Why do you think he couldn't "control" the attack? It's because he wasn't STRONG enough. And the attack wasn't meant to be that powerful, it was meant to cut a tree. Are you going to pretend that attack was more powerful than Zoro's attacks were before he had enma? The sword is not like a devil fruit; Zoro was a stronger swordsman when he had shusui than he currently is with enma, whereas if you eat a devil fruit or put on a raid suit, even if you aren't fully able to control it yet, you inherently become stronger than you were previously, unlike Zoro who previously was still stronger with Shusui. DF's are like picking up a magic wand, where just holding it makes you stronger in some way even if you haven't mastered it yet, whereas Enma is like dumbbell that Zoro is struggling to lift so he has to carry it around and get used to its weight until he's strong enough to handle its weight, and by the time he's used to the weight he'd obviously grown stronger

:cheers:facts it s not like enma will make zoro fly or make zoro invisible or grants zoro durability or speed increase