Is this not what you said? Did you not say that me saying Yamato was a red herring was me stating it as a fact. I assumed that it was implicitly understood that this was just a possible reason why Yamato kept saying they would sail with Luffy. I turns out I was wrong. Some people assumed I was stating a fact. Now I know to be clearer in what I say on here.
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I suppose Luffy will eventually Yamato's actual name, similar to Chopper's case.
I really hope I don’t have to repeat myself, again, to make it clear that Yamato said that she wants to set sail with Luffy, that it is a fact. You said that it’s a red herring, that’s denying fact. Clear?
Yamato said she wants to set sail with Luffy = fact
You’re saying that it’s a red herring = denying fact, and it’s not really hard to comprehend that it’s your speculation. Speculations =/= facts
You really are comprehending things in wrong way
Yamato said she wants to set sail with Luffy = fact
You’re saying that it’s a red herring = denying fact, and it’s not really hard to comprehend that it’s your speculation. Speculations =/= facts
You really are comprehending things in wrong way
I would not consider those "secondary connections." The Vivre Card and sharing it alone is Yamato playing a role in a major turning point in the series. It's what allowed Luffy to even know about Ace being in trouble in the first place, and how he was able to chase after him. It also allowed her to share in Luffy's grief along with the rest of the Straw Hats.
What is the purpose of all of this background info if all it amounts to is Yamato giving up on her dream of leaving Wano with Luffy?
That's downplaying how major it is that Luffy, the person she was waiting years for, is also the one to free her from 20 years of bondage and abuse from her own father and is enabling her to follow her dream. That was the roadblock preventing Yamato from leaving for 20 years. If she could have gotten them off herself, she would have. The only gag thing about it was Yamato's face, which was still her crying and angry at the realization that her father really was willing to kill her for following her own dreams.
Momo's been developing into being an independent leader, so of course him not joining wouldn't be useless. The same can't be said for Yamato.
I'll be clear, I agree with the sentiment that Oda has been sloppy with Yamato's introduction and handling. He could have made her the Witching Hour Boy or something to get her introduced earlier and make this whole thing smoother. At the same time, he's been front-loading her with too much backstory tying her to Luffy to just throw that all away by making her just another ally.
What is the purpose of all of this background info if all it amounts to is Yamato giving up on her dream of leaving Wano with Luffy?
That's downplaying how major it is that Luffy, the person she was waiting years for, is also the one to free her from 20 years of bondage and abuse from her own father and is enabling her to follow her dream. That was the roadblock preventing Yamato from leaving for 20 years. If she could have gotten them off herself, she would have. The only gag thing about it was Yamato's face, which was still her crying and angry at the realization that her father really was willing to kill her for following her own dreams.
Momo's been developing into being an independent leader, so of course him not joining wouldn't be useless. The same can't be said for Yamato.
I'll be clear, I agree with the sentiment that Oda has been sloppy with Yamato's introduction and handling. He could have made her the Witching Hour Boy or something to get her introduced earlier and make this whole thing smoother. At the same time, he's been front-loading her with too much backstory tying her to Luffy to just throw that all away by making her just another ally.
Ace never mentioned her in his entire life because she - just like the princess Vivi or the Supernovas - never existed in Oda's mind back then before years later Oda got an idea or decided to spice the story up. The entire scene when she made him a vivre card scene is a retcon. It doesn't mean it's bad, it just shows that Oda is that good he can almost effortlessly bend the story and it would totally work.
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@JoSeungHun7335 Calling something a red herring is not denying a fact. I am not denying that Yamato says they will join. Yamato joining the Strawhats also isn't a fact. Saying that Oda is using Yamato as a red herring, specifically them saying they will join, isn't denying fact. I'm not denying that Yamato says they'll join.
Yamato literally has advanced conquers haki. Them not being able to take off the their chains was a major oversight of Oda.
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NGL I was literally facepalming when he said that Yamato could take them off by herself. If she could, then why wait for 20 years inside Onigashima instead of taking them off when she had enough power to take them off by herself?
Then care to elaborate why it’s a red herring? You said “later” to jordin and until now you haven’t said anything while having time to be in denial.
Just because Yamato has adv CoC doesn’t mean she has adv CoA like how Luffy used to take off her seastone explosive cuffs. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend the difference
Just because Yamato has adv CoC doesn’t mean she has adv CoA like how Luffy used to take off her seastone explosive cuffs. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend the difference
That's not a retcon. We're never told who made the card. Contradicting previously established information is a retcon (e.g. Katakuri's DF being called a Logia and then a Paramecia), filling in previously unknown information is not.
There's basic Armament, then advanced Armament which is Emission, then there's a level beyond that which is Internal Destruction. Destroying shackles is Internal Destruction, which has only been shown by two characters: Rayleigh and Luffy. Not even Kaido has shown this level of Haki, so it shouldn't be surprising that Yamato can't do it either.
There's basic Armament, then advanced Armament which is Emission, then there's a level beyond that which is Internal Destruction. Destroying shackles is Internal Destruction, which has only been shown by two characters: Rayleigh and Luffy. Not even Kaido has shown this level of Haki, so it shouldn't be surprising that Yamato can't do it either.
I don't think it's not that important that Yamato made Ace's Vivre card. Though the card itself is important, but I don't think Luffy would care much about the fact that Yamato made it. He might ask Yamato to make for everyone the crew but I don't think he would care anymore about it than that. We've already seen something like this with Tama. She was close to Ace and waited for him for as long as Yamato. When she learns that Ace is dead, she grieves, but Luffy doesn't grieve with her. Though she was close to Ace, Luffy didn't grieve with, hell he didn't even tell that he was Ace's brother. I think it's because it doesn't matter to Luffy. Ace's relationship to Tama is theirs and Luffy relationship to Tama is different because their different people. So I don't think Luffy would care that Yamato created Ace's vivre card or want to share their grief.
The gag isn't only Yamato's face. It's the juxaposition of Momo's previous declaration of his name, everyone's reactions to the explosion, and ending with Luffy give Yamato a nick name with Yamato thinking he'd just got the name wrong.
I'll probably be finished tomorrow. Also I think Yamato might have COA cause of this shot.
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
The gag isn't only Yamato's face. It's the juxaposition of Momo's previous declaration of his name, everyone's reactions to the explosion, and ending with Luffy give Yamato a nick name with Yamato thinking he'd just got the name wrong.
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I'll probably be finished tomorrow. Also I think Yamato might have COA cause of this shot.
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
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I'll probably be finished tomorrow. Also I think Yamato might have COA cause of this shot.
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
Yamato indeed has CoA but it’s not the advanced one that she can perform Internal Destruction like Luffy or Rayleigh. What you gave as an example here is not Internal Destruction adv CoA.
I don't think it's not that important that Yamato made Ace's Vivre card. Though the card itself is important, but I don't think Luffy would care much about the fact that Yamato made it. He might ask Yamato to make for everyone the crew but I don't think he would care anymore about it than that. We've already seen something like this with Tama. She was close to Ace and waited for him for as long as Yamato. When she learns that Ace is dead, she grieves, but Luffy doesn't grieve with her. Though she was close to Ace, Luffy didn't grieve with, hell he didn't even tell that he was Ace's brother. I think it's because it doesn't matter to Luffy. Ace's relationship to Tama is theirs and Luffy relationship to Tama is different because their different people. So I don't think Luffy would care that Yamato created Ace's vivre card or want to share their grief.
The gag isn't only Yamato's face. It's the juxaposition of Momo's previous declaration of his name, everyone's reactions to the explosion, and ending with Luffy give Yamato a nick name with Yamato thinking he'd just got the name wrong.
I'll probably be finished tomorrow. Also I think Yamato might have COA cause of this shot.
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
The gag isn't only Yamato's face. It's the juxaposition of Momo's previous declaration of his name, everyone's reactions to the explosion, and ending with Luffy give Yamato a nick name with Yamato thinking he'd just got the name wrong.
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I'll probably be finished tomorrow. Also I think Yamato might have COA cause of this shot.
and the follow up the damage.
see ya tommorow
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Doesn't matter how it's called. My point is that Yamato didn't exist in Oda's mind back then when we met Ace for the first time or when Ace was still alive and so the vivre card scene with her as well. It's a nice late addition because why not it works for the plot and contradicts nothing, but still it wasn't originally planned.
I see they've also already tried flattery. But turns out that he don't want their sake lmfao.
Wait till she sees adult Momo who looks like Oden whom she loves so much 
"Wow. Turns out my newfound best friend looks identical to Oden, my hero and idol for the last 20 years whom I admired so much that I pretended to be him. This new Oden is also desperately in need of help and assistance, and seems to really appreciate my guidance. Oh well! Off to join this crew I've never met, that doesn't know or care about my entire existence!!"
That's genuinely how they think things will go down.
He had made a joke of the series itself...you expect him to care for a character when he doesn't give a shit about SHs only 
I would say its not about having the skill or not but being able to use it like that....Luffy wouldn't ahve used it like that too if he did not see rayliegh do it.
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I would say its not about having the skill or not but being able to use it like that....Luffy wouldn't ahve used it like that too if he did not see rayliegh do it.
Wheezing right now. This one dude comes in and states some great yet obvious points that anyone would arrive at with basic reading comprehension, and he instantly manages to get the entire cult up in arms.
I see they've also already tried flattery. But turns out that he don't want their sake lmfao.
That's what's just so funny about this situation. There's absolutely nothing they can do about it. As much as they despise Momo. As much as they wish she never had the guardian of Wano fruit. As much as they beg Oda to make their little oni join the crew...All the same, it's never going to happen.
"Wow. Turns out my newfound best friend looks identical to Oden, my hero and idol for the last 20 years whom I admired so much that I pretended to be him. This new Oden is also desperately in need of help and assistance, and seems to really appreciate my guidance. Oh well! Off to join this crew I've never met, that doesn't know or care about my entire existence!!"
That's genuinely how they think things will go down.
I see they've also already tried flattery. But turns out that he don't want their sake lmfao.
That's what's just so funny about this situation. There's absolutely nothing they can do about it. As much as they despise Momo. As much as they wish she never had the guardian of Wano fruit. As much as they beg Oda to make their little oni join the crew...All the same, it's never going to happen.
"Wow. Turns out my newfound best friend looks identical to Oden, my hero and idol for the last 20 years whom I admired so much that I pretended to be him. This new Oden is also desperately in need of help and assistance, and seems to really appreciate my guidance. Oh well! Off to join this crew I've never met, that doesn't know or care about my entire existence!!"
That's genuinely how they think things will go down.
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