General & Others Oda needs to learn from Togashi on how to handle power ups and fights.

[Extravlad]

HxH and OP have powerscaling similarities

Phantom Troupe = Yonko
Both overrated as fuck by edgy fanboys who speedrun the manga.
Phantom Troupe wankers think Feitan can take on a Royal Guard or that Knuckle is weaker than Bonolenov/Shizuku, equivalent of Yonkotards.

Shanks fanboys = Ging fanboys
Wanking a featless character to be above an old man who is CLEARLY shown to be the top dog in the verse (WB/Netero)
Some Ging fanboys even wank him to be above Meruem, similar to the crazy Shankstards

The Hisoka fanboys also fit in both groups, these MFs were saying Hisoka could beat Pouf/Youpi/Pito 1V1 until we saw his fodder ass being injured by a regular small sized explosions that would never even scratch a RG

 

[LogicoftheVI]

Luffy's cost are nonexistent. Who tf cares what age he will die. For all we know he might still die at 80 because he already had a giant lifespan. G3 has lost its drawback. Anways your missing the point. My issue isnt the PUs hes trained for but the shit that hes pulled outta his ass. Like FS, AdvCoC, and Nika form. They have zero drawbacks and theyve made him jump several tiers. Whilst Gon's drawback is literal death and losing his powers.

Just because you do not like the cost and as he gains mastery over the ability the cost lessen or go away completely does not negate that they are there and have an effect on him and what he can do. Ofc Gear 3 doesn't affect him like it did when he first learned it that was over 2 years ago. Gear 4th still has a 10 minute draw back weeks after the Doflamingo fight. Saying Nika form has no draw back is bleh because we saw what Luffy looked like when he came out of that form and it more than likely does have a drawback we just do not know what it is yet (because Nika was introduced 2 chapters ago). When Gon used his power up no one knew what the drawback was, it was only revealed chapters later. You're jumping the gun with this one.

 

[Indigo]

Just because you do not like the cost and as he gains mastery over the ability the cost lessen or go away completely does not negate that they are there and have an effect on him and what he can do. Ofc Gear 3 doesn't affect him like it did when he first learned it that was over 2 years ago. Gear 4th still has a 10 minute draw back weeks after the Doflamingo fight. Saying Nika form has no draw back is bleh because we saw what Luffy looked like when he came out of that form and it more than likely does have a drawback we just do not know what it is yet (because Nika was introduced 2 chapters ago). When Gon used his power up no one knew what the drawback was, it was only revealed chapters later. You're jumping the gun with this one.

Luffy's G5 drawback is gonna be lifespan, he is beating his heart super hard, that's what causes the drums of liberation.

His fast heart beating causes him to be stronger and faster, and it also makes him euphoric and happy, like high on a drug.

This drawback can be resolved in the post-arc in two ways:

1st - Law uses the eternal youth surgery on Luffy by sacrificing his life. This is the good choice. Because it's already setup for quite sometime. It has actual consequences (a character's death) and it will also explain why Luffy can keep using G5 going forward, because he will have eternal youth.

2nd - Chopper creatures a cure for this drawback using a combination of the Oni Virus + Mink drug. This is the shit option, because it eliminates the consequences, both the Oni Virus and Mink Drug have been introduced just this arc and Oda will keep using the G5 drawback as fake tension going forward.

I'm pretty sure Oda is gonna do the second one. Because he simply doesn't do consequences in this fucking story.

 

[Monster Luffy]

The problem is that you have MILLIONS of people riding motor bikes out there, you get videos on youtube and teachers.

While Adv. Haki are specialized secret powers that only few people can do it.

Luffy learning how to do Future Sight, Internal Destruction and Conqueror's Coating in just a few minutes / hours by watching someone else is fucking nuts.

Luffy is one of the few people. He learnt FS but he didn't master yet, not to the level of Katakuri. Practically, it screams based on his debacle with likes of batman, apoo, and many other small instances. Internal destruction and CoC coating are similar. Luffy is CoC specialist, so him using CoC us not big deal.

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Luffy's G5 drawback is gonna be lifespan, he is beating his heart super hard, that's what causes the drums of liberation.

His fast heart beating causes him to be stronger and faster, and it also makes him euphoric and happy, like high on a drug.

This drawback can be resolved in the post-arc in two ways:

1st - Law uses the eternal youth surgery on Luffy by sacrificing his life. This is the good choice. Because it's already setup for quite sometime. It has actual consequences (a character's death) and it will also explain why Luffy can keep using G5 going forward, because he will have eternal youth.

2nd - Chopper creatures a cure for this drawback using a combination of the Oni Virus + Mink drug. This is the shit option, because it eliminates the consequences, both the Oni Virus and Mink Drug have been introduced just this arc and Oda will keep using the G5 drawback as fake tension going forward.

I'm pretty sure Oda is gonna do the second one. Because he simply doesn't do consequences in this fucking story.

So called consequences. You don't think MC actually die right, if that's what you mean consequence ? Even the so called perfect Naruto or Hiatus X Hiatus power system didnt have that

 

[serkeara]

I haven't, but it seems awfully hard to explain why Gon is better. He's not as lucky except he loses his hand and gets it back. He loses his Nen. Does that seem permanent? Isn't he like 12 years old? Wasn't Luffy like 0 and 50 against his brothers back then? Luffy waited until he was seventeen because the incidents with Shanks and Sabo taught him lessons. Has Gon hit a wall where have to go train for two years to surpass his limits? Did he come out of the two years still struggling to beat mid level opponents?

Lol you should read HxH then. Then you might want to delete your post here.

 

[vikas]

Other two definitely handle it better because we can see the author putting effort into fighting(using the system in it) and the power system itself.

Honestly speaking. Oda ruined the power system with Haki...especially when he started using it as a basis of actual power now. He had a very good system(apparently it was his editor's idea though) with DFs.
He could have written much better fights with just the DFs. Even non-DF users can fight against them using the properties of the specific DF...but Nah... He even added BS with DFs too..where stuff is just too OP and doesn't make sense at all. Awakening is one of the BS too...it could have been used better but now it just seems BS powerup too.

 

[JoNdule]

As long as Luffy ain’t saying “friendship” and 1 shotting the enemy seconds after, I’m cool with it

Lol

Luffy literally relies on power of friendship
He literally mentioned the reason he can't lose is because of his friends : Pedro, raizou etc...

Same thing he told Katakuri " I can't lose because they (my friends and crewmates believe in me" and went on to get a b.s W

There's power of friendship in OP
You guys just can't admit it

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Oda knows if he sets a proper haki system from the beginning, he won't be allowed to retcon stuff or create b.s rules / PUs anymore so he left it ambiguous
1000 + chapters yet haki isn't fully set

Adcoc is created in wano! You can't introduce the strongest and most powerful haki skill 1000 chapters after
Doesn't make sense

 

[Midnight Delight]

People arguing that Haki is everything when this very arc had most of it's fight decided by Non Haki features.....

 

[Finalbeta]

gon is ass

When it comes to certain characters Oda better not take advice

 

[Embers Kaios]

Lol

Luffy literally relies on power of friendship
He literally mentioned the reason he can lose is because of his friends : Pedro, raizou etc...

Same thing he told Katakuri " I can't lose because they (my friends and crewmates believe in me" and went on to get a b.s W

Theres power of friendship in OP
You guys just can't admit it

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Oda knows if he sets a proper haki system from the beginning, he won't be allowed to retcon stuff or create b.s rules / PUs anymore so he left it ambiguous
1000 + chapters yet haki isn't fully set

Adcoc is created in wano! You can't introduce the strongest and most powerful haki skill 1000 chapters after
Doesn't make sense

Alright I can’t argue with that
Those are some good points
I’m just saying it’s not as bad as FT yk what I mean? It’s not like Luffy is casually whooping Kaido despite the PU

In FT even if the enemy is VASTLY more powerful=Friendship always prevail. This is a different case as Luffy lost 4 times before this point

 

[Monster Luffy]

Lol you should read HxH then. Then you might want to delete your post here.

How can you read something that is in eternal hiatus? Besides, what he said was not wrong.

 

[ZenZu]

Honestly Oda never gave a fuck about power ups. He just wants the abilities to look flashy and cool, he never cared for the details.

Everyones' favourite arc probably your favourite arc, Enies Lobby, had the biggest asspull power ups to date in Asura and DJ. So it never took away from the series. This has always been Oda's weak point, not necessarily power ups but explanations, but it's by design. Haki is another matter altogether, it needs to be well thought out and explained as it's the backbone of combat in this verse, yet it's a dumpster fire in execution. It's the perfect example of what not to do when creating a combat system.

 

[kom5]

adVCoC It's one of the most horrible things I've ever had the displeasure of seeing in a Power Scalle manga. And look, I know the power of friendship in fairy tail.

Lol no it isn't adv haki fits the power system

The only problem Oda has is that he doesn't draw prolonged fights or consecutive fights

Togashi doesn't draw fights he just explains one move for an entire chapter

Togashi would explain gum gum no giant the entire chapter

 

[Finalbeta]

I hope he will take inspiration from Togashi's characters powers 🧐

Killua and a few other characters were a bless to this world

Without sounding like a copy though

 

[Midnight Delight]

Lol no it isn't adv haki fits the power system

CoA was single handedly killed by Advanced CoC

 

[Tai long]

I don’t know whether it was because I was young, but I did not understand nen and it’s variants at least haki is just clad yourself with haki and have a stronger attack the only problem with haki is it’s inconsistency as most haki users forget they have haki

 

[ZenZu]

I don’t know whether it was because I was young, but I did not understand nen and it’s variants at least haki is just clad yourself with haki and have a stronger attack the only problem with haki is it’s inconsistency as most haki users forget they have haki

Nen is very complex but that's what makes it great.

You don't want loop holes and oversights in your magical combat system, so Togashi made sure to be very thorough in covering every possibility and interaction. It's not that easy to understand but it has a start and finish. Haki is completely open ended which is a major problem.

 

[Midnight Delight]

We just recently found out about Zoans having a soul of their own
That's something we should have known a LOT earlier

Oda relies too much on mysteries sometimes even at the cost of In Verse Consistency (why did Robin even need to do spy stuff this arc when all the major Beast Pirates info should be very public?)

 

[MarineHQ]

Oda never cared about developing a well thought out power system. Almost 600 chapters in and we barely knew what Haki was. Compare it to Togashi who introduced us to the basics of Nen very early on which after he added more and more amazing aspects to it

 

[Fn Lucci]

Lol you should read HxH then. Then you might want to delete your post here.

I've been trying since the days of fansubs for the original anime to get into it, since I really like YYH. But the intro is so boring that I can't make it.

But what I said was the argument itself that Gon is better handled isn't compelling. I can explain why Jotaro or the others work as compelling leads and it has nothing to do with them taking bigger Ls, lol