Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1047 Spoilers Discussion

[NotRanga]

I still dont understand why people overhype black blades when zoro already had one. And traded it for enma which isn't a black blade but its clearly stronger than shusui.

 

[kenedyfake]

Yeah, because luffy isn't using Haki anymore lmao

Of course having both abilities is the best. You can be a top tier with only Haki, however the same doesn't aply to DF.

and roger is wearing a sword, isn't he? an ultimate grid sword.

roger is a swordsman as they say? soon it is Luffy haki + DF > Roger haki + swordmanship

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Black blade is literally just increasing the hardness of the blade, how is that going to help against opponents that can attack you without even touching you.

I think a better comparison is, its a lot like luffy choosing to develop his armament haki to the 3rd stage
while kaido has not shown shown that
to then use that to scale how strong these characters are would be weird .


certain fighters are great at certain things that people stronger or as strong as them aren't
katakuri's observation is far better than his mom's for instance.

this is what people have to understand.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Just pointless if you're fighting someone that mastered advanced ACoC.

Legit! Sometimes I wonder the thought process of others

 

[Hanners220]

I really enjoy Oda’s obsession with giants.

 

[kurohime]

Devil Fruit wankers in the fucking mud

Luffy's DF is God tier and he's casually busting islands. WB has world ending powers. Fujitora can summon meteors, etc.

Yeah, they are in the mud... a Spa mud bath with cucumbers over their eyes and drinking mimosas while Swordtards trying to figure out how Mihawk struggled with YC5 Vista and Zoro is dying to a borderline YC 2 Commander

 

[ShadowStyle369]

yeah shanks might be stronger
you see it too

Lol ur working off mights and what ifs,this chap confirms roger a swordsman dominated the world. Shanks a one armed swordsman stands as a yonko and his rival mihawk stands as the wss please continue to cope after this chapter 😂😂😂😂 I do believe oda can tell u straight up mihawk is stronger and u will still cope 😂😂😂

 

[Lor D. Coast]

i don't see Ray there ?

At least he knows that the 3rd strongest on Roger's ship is stronger than Big Meme, a Yonko.

 

[superfreak]

now I fall

Luffy wants to be the freest man in the world, when he has the most severe restriction in the world of one piece, swimming in the sea.

oh ironies of life

 

[Thabeast]

Luffy's DF is God tier and he's casually busting islands. WB has world ending powers. Fujitora can summon meteors, etc.

Yeah, they are in the mud... a Spa mud bath with cucumbers over their eyes and drinking mimosas while Swordtards trying to figure out how Mihawk struggled with YC5 Vista and Zoro is dying to a borderline YC 2 Commander

Cry. You don't need a DF to dominate the world. Only if you're a bum and need some help. Argue with Kaido.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

If there's one fanbase that is being heavily damaged in this chapter, it's the fanbase of admirals who don't have COC.

KAIDOU: DF + HAKI, it doesn't matter who between DF or HAKI is better, kaidou has both.

BIG MOM: DF+ COC.

WB: DF+COC.

SHANKS: Do I really need to say?

BB has 2 extremely broken DF to make up for the lack of COC for now.

 

[Kingslayer]

I still dont understand why people overhype black blades when zoro already had one. And traded it for enma which isn't a black blade but its clearly stronger than shusui.

Shusui wasn't a supreme grade

 

[Embers Kaios]

I still dont understand why people overhype black blades when zoro already had one. And traded it for enma which isn't a black blade but its clearly stronger than shusui.

DO Y’ALL SEE THIS SHIT???? PLEASE READ MORE

BRO PREACH TO THESE MFS
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS
BLACK BLADES ARE LIKE FORTNITE SKINS, COSMETICS!!!!! COLOR DONT MEAN SHIT

 

[Meeyori]

I think the hype of black blades should come from the prestige and skill a swordsman has to have in order have forged one, like a benchmark that dictates who’s on top more than anything imo

 

[mly90]

i don't see Ray there ?

Garp is also absent from that panel the greatest marine someone who has fought Roger on equal footing countless times and in his own swords.

 

[kurohime]

Cry. You don't need a DF to dominate the world. Only if you're a bum and need some help. Argue with Kaido.

You don't need it. But there is no one without a DF strong enough to dominate the World 😂 every potential PK has a DF.

 

[Rootbeer]

Prime Garp, Prime Sengoku, and Shiki arent there either. All of those people were able to fight against and even rival Roger.
The chances are very high that Kaido and Mihawk have never crossed paths, especially when you factor in how Mihawk acted towards Whitebeard, he hadn't gotten a chance to test his strength against the World's Strongest.

Shiki has powers and Garp Sengoku are Marines not Pirates..
He knew he was outclassed by Whitebeard since he wanted to measure the distance(gap) between him..

Mihawk who is just a very strong individual

That's the basis of his comparison the individuals 1vs1.. PK > WSS

The wss dominates all swordsmen 😂😂😂

Bad Logic Roger and Shanks were not living by the sword like Mihawk..

 

[GeneralP123]

Legit! Sometimes I wonder the thought process of others

It like comparing the very best basic armament haki to ACoC, ACoC will obviously win.

 

[Sasparan]

Chapter is called Capitals sky but Wano folk doesnt learn about the conflict.

 

[Gorosei Informer]

Black blades are being set up to be unbreakable, I don't see how black blades are just "cosmetic" or "useless". Some ridiculously dumb arguments here. If anyone could get the black blades, it would diminish the accomplishments of the WSS. Ryuuma had one too and that MUST be why his sword is in perfect shape, no rust or damage and thus still intact after SEVERAL CENTURIES!

But you know, Black Blades are just cosmetic/useless, hurr durr. They are the pinnacle of swordsmanship and seem to be the result of a life long commitment, an eternal unwavering, fully commited devotion to swordsmanship and strengthening and protecting your blades as well as making your own skills, wit/intellect and such as sharp as your blade will be and needs to be or whatever.

Idk why Oda has ignored this so much in Wano but there must be a reason. It's surely haki related that they are become Black Blades even ofc so maybe Zoro just needs more time? If he fights Mihawk again, Mihawk is not gonna show him mercy again and destroy his swords, even haki coating them may not be enough! He might need to awaken them just before he fights Mihawk to protect them!

He may be able to protect them during the fight temporarily vs Mihawk, to buy some time but if he doesn't awaken them beforehand, he's gonna need to awaken black blades somehow vs Mihawk or Mihawk will destroy them like he did before with 2 of his swords at Baratie!

:laughmoji:

Kaido basically confirms that Haki>DF

Roger fought the strongest Paramecia with only swordsmanship and haki

Oda hinted at this with Pekoms neg diffing Caribou. Big Mom instantly deflated Luffy after blocking his Gear 4th with a haki coated arm. Luffy took out Caesar easily once he used haki vs him.I'm sure there's more examples ofc. Its probably how Kaido has been low diffing Luffy so easily too, Luffy was purposely given haki training in Udon as well from Rayleigh before ofc and his haki has only been improving with his fights with Kaido as we've evidently seen.

Devil Fruits are like shortcuts to power, making a deal with the devil to gain power hence their "curses" too. Like how Hody and his gang used those steroids with such drastic and especially permanent side effects too.

For all we know, Xebec may have no DF and just been immensely strong in both will and physical strength too!

In a series all about ambition and thus "haki", surely that will be the most important element in it? Pirates are known for their ambition most of all, that fearelessness, adventurous spirit, conquering and taming the oceans and thus waves, no matter how stormy/turbulent the weather is. Having a powerful DF is nice but you still need a strong will to conquer the oceans, beasts other people and thus the world.

"The term "Haki" is a word that has multiple meanings when translated into English. It can mean "ambition", "will power", "drive", "spirit", "vigor" and "aspiration" to name a few. The term itself, however, literally translates to "Supreme Qi".

Blackbeard acts like a pirate very much and is very ambitious but he relies too much on DFs, his will is not that great compared to the likes of Roger, Shanks, Whitebeard, Mihawk, Zoro etc. He still managed to become a Yonko ofc, to turn the world upside down and do impossible and game changing feats but he's had to rely a lot on cunning and trickery which is also a form of ambition (dark ambition) ofc but its not the same as sheer bravado/swagger/willpower/whatever.
Blackbeard will kinda be like the Admirals especially Kizaru who relies on his DF too much as Zephyr said too. (Ignoring how "canon" that film is ofc)

Roger conquered the world and everyone else, he rose to the top, the summit that nobody else reached. He is the Pirate King for a reason. Imu might be a similar case with the entire world too if they really did conquer their way to the top too and especially if they are Xebec too but for whats it worth, Roger threw himself wholeheartedly into the gauntlet without fear and rose to the top by his own will and merit!

Shanks casually did this to Whitebeards ship as he was walking!:

All haki and no DF! Willpower is what matters most! Willpower triumphs over everything! Will power gets you to the top! That has been especially prevalent in the SHs and their tragic, fucked up backstories along with characters like Law, Kidd, Killer, Pedro and such too ofc!