Powers & Abilities Where is Kaido's awakening?

[Sentinel]

No, the comparison is completely valid here. You guys are just expecting Oda to spoon-feed us everything for us to confirm the most obvious of things. That's not how it works. Kaido is a very devil's fruit-centric character. He's supposed to be someone who maxed out at everything he's good at. Hell, Katakuri said it's obvious for someone like "him" to have awakened his ability; what does that make Kaido? You're basically saying Kaido did not reach his fullest potential despite how strong he is when even the likes of Kid and Law, who likely have just as much potential, awakened their abilities as early as they did.

But this is not Oda spoonfeeding us, it is about Oda delivering important facts whether Kaido is awakened or not. This is not spoonfeeding, that's pure nonsense bro.

I am not saying that Kaido certainly does not have awakening. Once again: But none of it is confirmed yet. There is no statement either. We think this is the case because it is likely but I'd like to see a clear official statement about Kaido's entire form being awakened or his dragon forms being a result of awakening as well.

Especially in debates, it is tiresome debating about unconfirmed stuff, whether it is awakening or not.

There are no answers. Do we even know that Kaido has another form? I do think he is awakened but I also believe he'll show it soon. Luffy's awakening gave him a completely new form, higher recovery speed, higher durability and better passive DF abilities. The same can be said for Kaido but he will also show his own exclusive awakened form as well. Now that is my speculation. But at the end, it would be far better if Oda simply confirms stuff, then we can actually spare such discussions.

Again, I understand where you are coming from. Kaido is the dude who has all three advanced forms of Haki, a very skilled mastery of his DF and physically very powerful. I get your thought about Katakuri stating how it is obvious for him to be awakened and you sure question why Kaido shouldn't be awakened. I get this thought like I said. But the issue is that none of it is confirmed yet - Oda can always make stupid exceptions.

 

[RayanOO]

If BM and Kaido are not awakened it would be bullshit

But it’s Oda so everything is possible

 

[Definitivo]

I dunno, I see a clear change in Kaido's facial features. It's not just him bumping some muscles or getting skinniee like Lucci. Same eyebrows he has in dragon form, whole set of sharp teeth, broader nose, much bigger jaw and wider cheekbones. He clearly means to look more feral.

Really, the only thing that changes is the teeth, which may simply be an oversight by Oda.

The nose and eyebrows are drawn differently because Kaido's head is tilted in the first drawing.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

If BM and Kaido are not awakened it would be bullshit

But it’s Oda so everything is possible

 

[ConquistadoR]

Regarding Zoan awakenings though..

We're told Zoan dfs have a mind of their own. We're also told by Kaidou that awakening is a stage where your mind and body catch up to your power. We're also shown the "awakened" impel down jailor beasts losing their minds and exhibiting beast like tendencies - as if their mind was taken over by the df's mind. We also see this in Funkfreed and the Dog Launcher in Alabasta, both weapons exhibiting beast like tendencies. Also in the smile dfs, which uses the lineage factor from the respective zoan dfs to make them, as we see a lot of gifters (Holdem, Mizerka) having a separate Beast on their bodies with the same spirit as their dfs.

With Luffy unlocking awakening, logically he should also either have access or should be able to communicate with the mind of Nika, since that's the spirit/mind thats inside his df. I do expect Luffy to communicate with Nika's mind at some point inside his inner consciousness. Imo, same goes for Kaidou, Oda has developed this a lot to just randomnly say that a more feral transformation is his awakening.

P.S. Teach also exhibits several personalities and has said that the Yami Yami no mi called out to him once iirc. What if the Yami Yami no mi, which Teach termed as the most evil power in the world iirc, is also a mythical god zoan which was erased from history by the WG?

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

If he would be awakened already, he would make it similar as with Katakuri:

Oda had enough chance to give Kaido a small speech where he state that he is awakened to like Luffy.
But he didn´t, same for BM, people assume something of ass to give a character a ability with was never confirmed.
Do you think Oda is this low and offscreen/no name a awakened power of a Yonkou?

There is a reason why Kaido power get special named with Drunken mode, that is not awakened power so far.

You think he get no awakening ?

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

You think he get no awakening ?

No I think his awakened will show soon with a new form..

 

[Geo]

If he would be awakened already, he would make it similar as with Katakuri:

Oda had enough chance to give Kaido a small speech where he state that he is awakened to like Luffy.
But he didn´t, same for BM, people assume something of ass to give a character a ability with was never confirmed.
Do you think Oda is this low and offscreen/no name a awakened power of a Yonkou?

There is a reason why Kaido power get special named with Drunken mode, that is not awakened power so far.

With how things are going and how the writing quality has dropped, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda doesn't even make mention of awakening for Kaido and not even a flashback as well. I hope that won't be the case but I won't hold my breath on it.

 

[Roo]

Really, the only thing that changes is the teeth, which may simply be an oversight by Oda.

It isn't. Oda has gone back and forth between his base and his "beast" form. Also no, his base form doesn't have dragon eyebrows nor that nose

literally from the same chapter

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

No I think his awakened will show soon with a new form..

Puh for a second i thought we lost you,to the Kaido awakend doubters

Waido Awakening Glory will soon be ours

 

[Sentinel]

With how things are going and how the writing quality has dropped, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda doesn't even make mention of awakening for Kaido and not even a flashback as well. I hope that won't be the case but I won't hold my breath on it.

I'm seriously having very dark flashbacks with King whom we thought had awakened his DF as well. But in Kaido's case, it would be even worse. I'd consider taking a break from OP if this comes out to be true.

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

I'm seriously having very dark flashbacks with King whom we thought had awakened his DF as well. But in Kaido's case, it would be even worse. I'd consider taking a break from OP if this comes out to be true.

Im with you if that happens

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Puh for a second i thought we lost you,to the Kaido awakend doubters

Waido Awakening Glory will soon be ours

I rather take awakened Kaido or fall with awakened believer down,meaning either we hype together and see awakened new form Kaido or I go down with my brothers down, all in, always for awakened Kaido new form!!

 

[Peenix]

At this point, I think either the Koi theory will be true or Kaido just doesn't have an Awakening

 

[Garp the Fist]

Pretty sure fat nose version is the Awakening

 

[ConquistadoR]

I'm seriously having very dark flashbacks with King whom we thought had awakened his DF as well. But in Kaido's case, it would be even worse. I'd consider taking a break from OP if this comes out to be true.

Oh boy if Kaidou AND Big Mom don't have awakening, the "COC + Awakening = Low Top Tier/5th Emperor level" gang is gonna go missing for a while lmao. Already their headcanons took a major hit with Big Mom not having awakening and COC KKG but I guess this would be the last straw lmfao.

 

[omegalul]

>kaido is at his limit
>island is about to fall, flame clouds disappearing

no guys, kaido is still not using his strongest form for some reason

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

I'm seriously having very dark flashbacks with King whom we thought had awakened his DF as well. But in Kaido's case, it would be even worse. I'd consider taking a break from OP if this comes out to be true.

King not having CoC and awakened new form was already the biggest nonsense, imagine he do the same to the current number one in OP verse...
I would go totally in rage..

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

I dunno, I see a clear change in Kaido's facial features. It's not just him bumping some muscles or getting skinniee like Lucci. Same eyebrows he has in dragon form, whole set of sharp teeth, broader nose, much bigger jaw and wider cheekbones. He clearly means to look more feral.

The issue here is that the second form doesn't look like such a significant change as expected from awakening, which is the pinnacle for a devil fruit ability; on the contrary, his "feral" form actually is the closer one to what everybody expected for his hybrid. It almost feels like Oda purposely humanized Kaido's "basic hybrid" as a visual clue to justify a stronger hybrid form, but hybrid still because, if anything, his average hybrid is the strange-looking one.

But again, Kaidou's vicious mode looks exactly how his hybrid should have always looked; stuff like beast teeth, or eyebrows, or nose, or a buffed body are all standard hybrid traits, the one which feels half-boiled is his basic hybrid. Quite different from the transformation by awakened zoans, which is quite characteristic:

Just compare these things to other hybrids. Their body is significantly disproportionate, starting by their humongous head. Their face lack the usual "mask" design but is fully animalistic, with no human trait to be spotted. Even their chest has their beast skin beyond the usual (only the belly remains human, while hybrids tend to keep both base-looking belly and chest).

I just can't compare Kaidou's feral hybrid to the jailers and say: "Hey, they look alike". They simply don't. Kaidou should have, to begin with, an almost fully draconian head to look like them, plus other traits making him significantly beastly.

 

[Roo]

At this point, I think either the Koi theory will be true or Kaido just doesn't have an Awakening

The Koi theory is imo is the best one when it comes to his awakening. Kaido started with a really weak DF that eventually evolved into this giant dragon due to Kaido's battle prowess

it also kinda parallels Luffy