General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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I'm really not sure what Oda's plan for Yamato is at this point. Luffy just defeated Kaido, Yamato's father who was holding her back all these years, and Yamato was just yelling at Momo the entire fight. It didn't really feel like the story was emphasizing her here, and that's strange considering that she might become a main character
Compare that to when Luffy beat Lucci and the story emphasized Robin's reaction to Luffy's victory
Or in the climax of the Arlong fight when we got this page of Nami's relief at seeing Luffy destroy the place of her oppression
It feels strange that Momo got emphasized more in this chapter than Yamato if she's gonna be the next Strawhat.
It feels strange that Momo got emphasized more in this chapter than Yamato if she's gonna be the next Strawhat.
i said before all the themes oda has in carrot he moved to yamato and i think this is a show the two are not joining.
carrot feels like yamato prototype. she is a girl who never left her home and has a great desire to see the world. yamato is introduced two arcs later and also has that theme but with more elements tied, like be held captive by her father and forbidden to have friends, giving bigger depth and refinement to the theme that with carrot is raw and unpolished.
but yamato also takes themes that were introduced with tama and some plot elements that was working with her like be friend with ace and have a promise with him or the big panel crying with the mouth full of food.
oda picked all themes he had with carrot all themes and plot elements he had with tama and created a new character that had all that and more. if he has intention of carrot or tama joining it makes no sense to create a character that overshadows them like this. but if yamato was a character planned for a long time it also makes no sense to have her themes be used first on other characters introduced a bit early.
carrot feels like yamato prototype. she is a girl who never left her home and has a great desire to see the world. yamato is introduced two arcs later and also has that theme but with more elements tied, like be held captive by her father and forbidden to have friends, giving bigger depth and refinement to the theme that with carrot is raw and unpolished.
but yamato also takes themes that were introduced with tama and some plot elements that was working with her like be friend with ace and have a promise with him or the big panel crying with the mouth full of food.
oda picked all themes he had with carrot all themes and plot elements he had with tama and created a new character that had all that and more. if he has intention of carrot or tama joining it makes no sense to create a character that overshadows them like this. but if yamato was a character planned for a long time it also makes no sense to have her themes be used first on other characters introduced a bit early.
I'm really not sure what Oda's plan for Yamato is at this point. Luffy just defeated Kaido, Yamato's father who was holding her back all these years, and Yamato was just yelling at Momo the entire fight. It didn't really feel like the story was emphasizing her here, and that's strange considering that she might become a main character
Compare that to when Luffy beat Lucci and the story emphasized Robin's reaction to Luffy's victory
Or in the climax of the Arlong fight when we got this page of Nami's relief at seeing Luffy destroy the place of her oppression
It feels strange that Momo got emphasized more in this chapter than Yamato if she's gonna be the next Strawhat.
It feels strange that Momo got emphasized more in this chapter than Yamato if she's gonna be the next Strawhat.
In a way, you can compare that type of (character) arc with the ones like Wiper's / Kyros.
As far as I can analyse the story, I think we can safely scale the degree of importance of the characters in relation with their character arc - like that:
1 - No arc at all = The character will pass through no struggle, they will only be here as support - They can also be character that will be developped later.
2 - A small but impactfull arc = The character goes through a strong struggle that has the potential of changing their world view
3 - A small life changing arc = The character goes through a small life changing struggle, they will need to make a choice or action to advance.
4 - A strong and life changing arc = The character goes through a life changing struggle, they will make a life changing choice or action to advance and everyone in the arc will be impacted by this choice or action. This is the case of arc centered around a single character
5 - A MAJOR and life changing arc = The character goes through a life changing struggle, they will make a life changing choice or action to advance and everyone in the PRESENT STORY AND THE WORLD will be impacted by this choice or action.
Imagine that scale like that: 1 ---------------- 2 ---------------- 3 ---------------- 4 ---------------- 5 >> (This is just a prototype, that scale can evolve)
On that scale you can place any character of One Piece in relationship with their character arc with numbers (1,1/3.5/5 etc.) (note that it's not related to the actual importance of the character, rather than the value of their character arc):
Here are some example:
1 - No arc at all = Shinobu / Pagaya / Im Sama / Akainu
1.5 = Aokiji / Iceberg
2 - A small but impactfull arc = Crocodile (and most of Luffy's strong antagonist)
2.5 = Sanji (During present of Baratie)
2.8 = Kyros / Wyper
2.9 = Katakuri
3 - A small life changing arc = Rebecca / Shiraoshi / Sanji (during his first flashback) / Jinbe
3.5 = Usopp (water seven)
4 - A strong and life changing arc = Vivi / Nami (arlong park) / Momo / Sanji (during whole cake) / Chopper (Drum) / Zoro (against Mihawk) / Ace etc.
4.5 = Robin (Enies Lobby)
5 - A MAJOR and life changing arc = Luffy (We didn't notice those kind of arc until now, but their is a good reason to think that Luffy will ultimately pass through a struggle and make a choice that will change the world) and himself.
Of course this is just a prototype, but Oda definitely varies the impact of each character arc.
Concerning Carrot and Yamato you can also place them on that scale. Yamato could be place somewhere between 3 and 3.5 (if we take her flashback into account). Carrot on the other hand could be place between 2.7 and 2.9. The thing is.. there are setup concerning Carrot than could indicate that she could have a place up there at 3.5. This is why I often say that Carrot's time to shine has yet to happen.
The big questions you have to ask yourself to place the character on that scale are:
- How much did the character struggle?
- How difficult the choice/action of the character was?
- What did the character learn at the end of his struggle?
- How does the big action/choice of the character impacts the arc?
- How the character is treated in the arc (centered? / Active? / Passive ?)
Wrong. Carrot and Yamato have very distincts and completely different character arc. Both in impact and in nature.
Carrot's arc revolve around the theme of Wonder, Discovery and Self Worth when Yamato's arc revolves around the theme of Rebellion against oppression and the desire of freedom.
Completely unrelated.
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Thing is while I do agree with what you say about Carrot, I wouldn't say Yamato's as emphasized as you say she is. Like, this last chapter should have been focusing a lot on Yamato considering it was the climax of Luffy vs Kaido. If she was gonna be the next Strawhat, it would've made sense to have the chapter emphasizing her liberation, but we just got a couple shots of her yelling at Momo. We were never shown her emotional state when Luffy beat Kaido. Compare that to arcs where Luffy liberated a Strawhat like Arlong Park, Drum Island, Enies Lobby, Wholecake Island, etc and it really doesn't feel like Oda's giving Yamato the same attention he gave to Nami/Chopper/Robin/Sanji/etc.
Add that to the fact that Yamato's spent most of the arc paired up with Momo, she hasn't really had any big bonding moments with Luffy, and that she's barely interacted with the crew. I could be wrong but it feels like Yamato might be a red herring. Though imo it wouldn't make sense for her to stay in Wano so I don't know what Oda's plan with her is.
Dude you can't just make up an arbitrary scale like that and assign random numbers.
Add that to the fact that Yamato's spent most of the arc paired up with Momo, she hasn't really had any big bonding moments with Luffy, and that she's barely interacted with the crew. I could be wrong but it feels like Yamato might be a red herring. Though imo it wouldn't make sense for her to stay in Wano so I don't know what Oda's plan with her is.
Dude you can't just make up an arbitrary scale like that and assign random numbers.
Nothing arbitrary here, it's how Oda works, this is a simple tool to developp character. All character don't have the same type of character arc. While this is a scale, there are different steps, patterns and convergence points in the nature of every character arc in the story.
For example: Strawhat are usually high placed on the scale while background or non developped characters (like Im) are lower.
The place of the character can evolve of course. But this must be analysed in relation with the story
For example: The reason that Katakuri is so loved is firstly because of his place on this scale (higher than the average antagonists)
Also, note that a character can have MULTIPLE character arc and thus have different place on the scale.
For example: Strawhat are usually high placed on the scale while background or non developped characters (like Im) are lower.
The place of the character can evolve of course. But this must be analysed in relation with the story
For example: The reason that Katakuri is so loved is firstly because of his place on this scale (higher than the average antagonists)
Also, note that a character can have MULTIPLE character arc and thus have different place on the scale.
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