General & Others One Piece should have a databook of powers/skills and stats like Naruto?

#22
I've participated in Naruto forums for many years and I've never seen a fan of Itachi argue this. Visual genjutsu are easily countered by fighting from a distance, not looking in the eye, having sensory abilities, etc...
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Okay, ignore the stats and levels. But what about better explanations of skills that databooks provide? Or do you think it's better for things to continue as they are from headcanon based debates?
Ive never been on Naruto forums just TikTok and I’ve seen this way too often
 
#24
Ive never been on Naruto forums just TikTok and I’ve seen this way too often
There is a list of Kage-level characters that block and get rid of Genjutsus easily. I can bring about 20 of them here. On the Naruto nerd forums, abilities like Itachi's Amaterasu are much more respected than genjutsu. Itachi was the character with the most toxic fans in all of shounen history, Zorotards don't even come close, ignore average Itachi fans from big social media.
 
#25
I think the reason being is simply there’s so many variables in a OP fight it’s a bit hard to measure, but I do agree Oda can come to a conclusion on a reasonable system that works.

Maybe EOS he’ll release a data book or add to the vivre cards.
 
#29
Yeah, the great sage mode. Already useless by the following arc.
Naruto had how many kyubi power ups? The only time that he used non-kyubo powers is sage mode, which is what coincidentally people only talk about.
Naruto literally got handed god mode out of his ass, while the g5 was known that was to happem, or you are telling me that you werent expecting the fruit to awaken? The retcon of the fruit is asspul, awakening is not. And at the end, they are just the same thing.
Naruto literally is a character being so overwhelmingly strong 75% through the story that we have literally Madara being unbeatable just to have something to give against naruto. Then you have gods. Literally the Chakra creator level are on par with Naruto. Not even Dragonball has stuff like that before Super.

Naruto in front of the strongest became a literal God, God almighty creator of chakra.
Luffy awakened his fruit which resulted in cartoon shenaningans that make power level obsessed people seethe, because they wanted an endgier transformation like Naruto.

And at least we have a cast of useful characters that help Luffy. Naruto was low diff his entire universe.
Naruto has its flaws and the war was horrible... but let me tell you, coming from someone who already read shounens like Beach, Naruto, KHB, HXH... and many others... this CoC for you to have an idea, can be worse than anything I've ever witnessed reading all these shounens.

fairy tail powerfriendship >>>>>> CoC
 
#30
The wonderful system of power of Naruto, where Naruto since volume 20 to the end wins by having more chackra and using rasengan and variation of rasengan.
Frog mode -> frog rasengan.
Kyubi mode -> kyubi rasengan.

Naruto power system half died with Shippuden, fully died after pein.
One piece is 1050 chapters long.
Yeah, the great sage mode. Already useless by the following arc.
Naruto had how many kyubi power ups? The only time that he used non-kyubo powers is sage mode, which is what coincidentally people only talk about.
Naruto literally got handed god mode out of his ass, while the g5 was known that was to happem, or you are telling me that you werent expecting the fruit to awaken? The retcon of the fruit is asspul, awakening is not. And at the end, they are just the same thing.
Naruto literally is a character being so overwhelmingly strong 75% through the story that we have literally Madara being unbeatable just to have something to give against naruto. Then you have gods. Literally the Chakra creator level are on par with Naruto. Not even Dragonball has stuff like that before Super.

Naruto in front of the strongest became a literal God, God almighty creator of chakra.
Luffy awakened his fruit which resulted in cartoon shenaningans that make power level obsessed people seethe, because they wanted an endgier transformation like Naruto.

And at least we have a cast of useful characters that help Luffy. Naruto was low diff his entire universe.
Thanks for the explanation. I've always liked Naruto battles but only at earliest parts of the manga where tactics did matter. When extreme haxxes like Sharingan modes and Rinnegan modes and Beast chakra were introduced, i recognized that Kishimoto will drive himself to the corner since each endgame haxxes are absolutes which only have certain absurd tricks you must accomplish to counter or escape from, instead of developing your own ways to go against them, which is extremely bad endgame power system imo, certainly worse than that of current One Piece's.
 
#31
One Piece has the Vivre cards, however a databook like Naruto could be good or bad. Naruto’s databook is full of hyperbole and cannot really be used in a versus match (Temari blowing the universe away, Ino’s Mind Transfer Jutsu being unavoidable, etc.).

Edit: Actually, I do think that Haki should be elaborated on further. Like how it is possible to imbue your attacks with Adv. Conq. and what the difference is between that and Ryuo. Plus, I would want to know the multiplier between all of Luffy’s Wano powerups, right now, all we really can do is speculate based on how much damage Kaido appears to be taking.
 
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#32
Naruto has its flaws and the war was horrible... but let me tell you, coming from someone who already read shounens like Beach, Naruto, KHB, HXH... and many others... this CoC for you to have an idea, can be worse than anything I've ever witnessed reading all these shounens.

fairy tail powerfriendship >>>>>> CoC
You are not the only one reading mangas eh.
Bleach literally had Aizen and Yahwach, naruto had GOD of Chakra and Sharingod.
HxH has a power system that does whatever he wants.
CoC is not perfect, devil fruits are great.
But bot yawhach and God Naruto are way way shittier than CoC. By a long long stretch.
Because CoC at least can be explained and makes sense.

Yhwhach WAS UNBEATABLE. LITERALLY ALL SEEING. And got beaten by an arrow.
And you say CoC is bad.
When Aizen is the strognest without any reason WHITOUT BANKAI
 
#33
Yeah, the great sage mode. Already useless by the following arc.
Naruto had how many kyubi power ups? The only time that he used non-kyubo powers is sage mode, which is what coincidentally people only talk about.
Naruto literally got handed god mode out of his ass, while the g5 was known that was to happem, or you are telling me that you werent expecting the fruit to awaken? The retcon of the fruit is asspul, awakening is not. And at the end, they are just the same thing.
Naruto literally is a character being so overwhelmingly strong 75% through the story that we have literally Madara being unbeatable just to have something to give against naruto. Then you have gods. Literally the Chakra creator level are on par with Naruto. Not even Dragonball has stuff like that before Super.

Naruto in front of the strongest became a literal God, God almighty creator of chakra.
Luffy awakened his fruit which resulted in cartoon shenaningans that make power level obsessed people seethe, because they wanted an endgier transformation like Naruto.

And at least we have a cast of useful characters that help Luffy. Naruto was low diff his entire universe.
Dude you argue in bad faith every time. Like seriously fuck off. I literally said in my post, "final war arc was bad" and here you are using the final war arc as your example.
 
#34
Dude you argue in bad faith every time. Like seriously fuck off. I literally said in my post, "final war arc was bad" and here you are using the final war arc as your example.
Well, if you decide that only 2/3 of Naruto are to be compared with one arc of One Piece it is kinda a strange comparison, but you are right, you said that.

Let's talk about pein? Trivialised by kyubi goong crazy?
Or Let's talk about the fight with Neji, where naruto without kyubi would have never had a chance?
Or the fight with Sasuke just after konohamaru?
Naruto existance (ans sasuke) are the worst thing happening in theanga, specially the first. Everything is trivialised by rasengan being a ball of energy.
Not explained why anybody cannot copy it.
Not explained why people cannot copy techniquess while they move at super speed and they have their hands in front of them.
Whil3 it was powers akin to stands or devil fruit naruto was good. Then it became dragon ball slowly with shippuden.

Anyway, it was not bad faith. And what do you mean with everytime?
 
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#35
You are not the only one reading mangas eh.
Bleach literally had Aizen and Yahwach, naruto had GOD of Chakra and Sharingod.
HxH has a power system that does whatever he wants.
CoC is not perfect, devil fruits are great.
But bot yawhach and God Naruto are way way shittier than CoC. By a long long stretch.
Because CoC at least can be explained and makes sense.

Yhwhach WAS UNBEATABLE. LITERALLY ALL SEEING. And got beaten by an arrow.
And you say CoC is bad.
When Aizen is the strognest without any reason WHITOUT BANKAI
Don't put your dirty hands on the keyboard to type over the masterpiece HxH PS. I agree with Naruto, but I still don't think it's worse than CoC... What do we have there? Rikudou Sanin and that he bestowed chakra on Naruto and Sasuke, that's it. I need to reread the Bleach saga, but Aizen's power affected King Quincy's vision... anyway, we already knew how Aizen's power can manipulate and cause illusions... which gave the good guys this chance in the fight Final. Aizen being stronger is explained, Aizen is strong because he has a gigantic Reiatsu and was talented... just like even in One Piece we have Big Mom who was strong and had immense Haki, I don't think in these cases it has anything to do with PS. .. now CoC? it's horrible.
 
#36
You can't shit the whole Naruto system just because in the end Jokenpo ended and it boiled down to the power of the Jinchuuriki. Outside of the God level, Naruto's fights consist of rock-paper-scissors. Anyone who says that the Sharingan can solo the verse simply doesn't know the work's powers.
 
#37
Don't put your dirty hands on the keyboard to type over the masterpiece HxH PS. I agree with Naruto, but I still don't think it's worse than CoC... What do we have there? Rikudou Sanin and that he bestowed chakra on Naruto and Sasuke, that's it. I need to reread the Bleach saga, but Aizen's power affected King Quincy's vision... anyway, we already knew how Aizen's power can manipulate and cause illusions... which gave the good guys this chance in the fight Final. Aizen being stronger is explained, Aizen is strong because he has a gigantic Reiatsu and was talented... just like even in One Piece we have Big Mom who was strong and had immense Haki, I don't think in these cases it has anything to do with PS. .. now CoC? it's horrible.
Such a masterpiece that even the author doesn't know what to do with it..
Aizen having power is literally meaningless against a character that knows and see everything.
Aizen is strong LEAGUES above everyone else WITHOUT bankai.
Big Mom can be challenged by at least 6 or 7 people in One Piece. Aizen cannot.
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You can't shit the whole Naruto system just because in the end Jokenpo ended and it boiled down to the power of the Jinchuuriki. Outside of the God level, Naruto's fights consist of rock-paper-scissors. Anyone who says that the Sharingan can solo the verse simply doesn't know the work's powers.
Every fight naruto participates in is finished with a Rasengan or a derivative. Rock paper scissor for everyone else, not Naruto.
 
#38
Such a masterpiece that even the author doesn't know what to do with it..
Aizen having power is literally meaningless against a character that knows and see everything.
Aizen is strong LEAGUES above everyone else WITHOUT bankai.
Big Mom can be challenged by at least 6 or 7 people in One Piece. Aizen cannot.
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Every fight naruto participates in is finished with a Rasengan or a derivative. Rock paper scissor for everyone else, not Naruto.
Bankai in Bleach doesn't mean much, Aizen's Shikai is better than practically all bankai... Aizen one of the strongest swords in the manga, has Reiatsu above all other captains, second only to the old Yama and is a genius in every area, like swordmanship, Kidou and Hadou...

Aizen is at the top of every category that exists in Bleach
 

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#40
Kishimoto gave up on stats for the 4th data book and they’re rarely used in Naruto debates.

As for supplementary info on techniques and world building? Yup! I’d love to see the hyperbole in these technique descriptions.

“Parasite strikes with unrivaled speed and controls the target absolutely! Even an enemy becomes a slave to Doflamingo!”
 
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