I understand your mihawk take but ryuma??
lol ???
he's barely been shown..
A fraud who lived in a weak era
Oden during Roger trip.
Oden who fought Kaido > Gaban very likely
But the inexperienced haki Oden who witnessed W vs R is likely not above Gaban.
Ray was 100% above Oden when Oden was on the crew. It’s not even a debate. Except if you think Ray didn’t have adCOC insane haki etc.
Stop downplaying him, the guy a fucking legend.
That is not the debate. The debate is Oda kept his main formula for decades now. And the formula is L > Z > S > REST
Franky joined and was under Sanji in the same arc.
When Jimbo really joined it was proven the same arc he was below Sanji (Wano)
With Yamato it’s already or will be the case too
Oden wasn't an official member
He can't replace Ray as VC or RH
Same way Yamato won't become VC or RH or wings even if stronger
Ray has top haki...he hasn't shown adcoc
Stop trying to give hin stuff he hasn't shown.
Dude you comparing people with no COc to Yamato that's your mistake.
Yamato is someone Kaido acknowledged her strength , the only other to be give such portrayal from Oda are SN trio!
Oden under Ray is headcanon the moment Oda doesn't mind to have Ray and scopper team up vs him
If you need to team up to handle someone powerful then you probably not stronger