Break Week Yamato joining is a win-win for Sanji fans
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Kaku had swords on top of Rokushiki, but even if you'd argue the gap between them I'd say no
Not a lot of difference but Sanji had to take Jabura's attack to get closer, while Zoro just shredded that shit. Makes sense as to why Sanji was breathing harder when all was said and done.
But in fairness neither looked bad
But in fairness neither looked bad
- Power stagnation, uh... well, Zoro had like two hits landed on him in a fight between Sabaody and Ringo. This late in the series, no, I don't expect tremendous growth for most characters especially a newer one.
Funny enough, until Enies Lobby Robin was arguably the second strongest because of the way her powers work. I think the introduction of long range attacks in Skypiea made Zoro seem very formidable but it was a long time before they could leave her behind.
- The hierarchy again. Zoro took out Morgan. Sanji was ravaged by Krieg's goons while Zoro fought a guy leagues beyond anyone else present, including himself. Hatchan the second strongest? Lol, I guess. Nothing to really think hard about. In Jaya Zoro had nothing to do with a Sarquiss rematch. Skypiea Zoro took on the second strongest but Luffy, Usopp, and Sanji all teamed up for like the 4th strongest. No one who fought Zoro in Thriller Bark really had that distinction. Vergo was clearly tougher than Monet. Sabo, Law, and Luffy took on Burgess, Fujitora, and Doflamingo... Pica wasn't second strongest when you look at that group. Basically you're saying, "it happens all the time except when it doesn't."
- Zoro being bested by King... are you high? Whenever I see a longer response and come across something that is this biased, I don't really have the interest in reading further, no offense. I'll just at least try to get myself back on topic, and I guess this is basically Sanji vs Yamato, with saying that Sanji vs Kaido is no mystery without his upgrades. Queen crushed him and the only reason he got out of that is because Queen's fighting ability doesn't match his physical strength or maniacal genius. The recovery and physical strength he gained from there though... not even Gear 4 could hurt Kaido without very advanced Haki.
Funny enough, until Enies Lobby Robin was arguably the second strongest because of the way her powers work. I think the introduction of long range attacks in Skypiea made Zoro seem very formidable but it was a long time before they could leave her behind.
- The hierarchy again. Zoro took out Morgan. Sanji was ravaged by Krieg's goons while Zoro fought a guy leagues beyond anyone else present, including himself. Hatchan the second strongest? Lol, I guess. Nothing to really think hard about. In Jaya Zoro had nothing to do with a Sarquiss rematch. Skypiea Zoro took on the second strongest but Luffy, Usopp, and Sanji all teamed up for like the 4th strongest. No one who fought Zoro in Thriller Bark really had that distinction. Vergo was clearly tougher than Monet. Sabo, Law, and Luffy took on Burgess, Fujitora, and Doflamingo... Pica wasn't second strongest when you look at that group. Basically you're saying, "it happens all the time except when it doesn't."
- Zoro being bested by King... are you high? Whenever I see a longer response and come across something that is this biased, I don't really have the interest in reading further, no offense. I'll just at least try to get myself back on topic, and I guess this is basically Sanji vs Yamato, with saying that Sanji vs Kaido is no mystery without his upgrades. Queen crushed him and the only reason he got out of that is because Queen's fighting ability doesn't match his physical strength or maniacal genius. The recovery and physical strength he gained from there though... not even Gear 4 could hurt Kaido without very advanced Haki.
We have filler feats, sweating bullets while clashing with casual no ryuo/CoC rookie Oden and the grenade thing that portrayed him as a joke, his haki wouldn't be strong enough to take a blast that Oden tanked with no haki.
Another thing is that 25 years ago Roger and Ray where in their 50's, it's very likely that Gaban is a good deal older than Oden, no CoA coating, no Ryuo or CoC, definitely not protrayed as someone that has FS, not even Roger or Ray are confirmed to have it
And apparently he was the helmsman but that's a different story.
Another thing is that 25 years ago Roger and Ray where in their 50's, it's very likely that Gaban is a good deal older than Oden, no CoA coating, no Ryuo or CoC, definitely not protrayed as someone that has FS, not even Roger or Ray are confirmed to have it
And apparently he was the helmsman but that's a different story.
Yes, If Yamato is going to face opponents she can "wash" she is incapable of progressing power wise. If Zoro fought Page one in Wano he would not progress power wise would he?. You're argument is that Yamato will keep up with Sanjis progression, which has been shown to be significant, while not fighting anyone that would even push her to becoming more powerful. Unless you actually think Yamato is THAT much more powerful than Sanji to where she doesn't even need to get stronger to stay ahead of Sanji at the end of next arc who will be significantly stronger than he is now.
Yes, the hierarchy. I have no idea what the you're even referring to; a bunch of nebulous references to Zoro beating people who you assume Sanji couldn't defeat, while also ignoring the moments of explicit representation. Surely Zoro and Sanji fighting opponents of the same caliber in major arcs (where both are participating in fights) who push them to get stronger is clearer evidence than Zoro defeating someone who doesn't even push him to gain a power up.
Was Zoro not being bested by King until he gained CoCcoating?......did you skip past 90 percent of the fight?. Yamato clashed her Coc against a hybrid Kaido 1v1, Zoro defeating King with it is not as impressive; if we use your line of argumentation of course.
Yes, the hierarchy. I have no idea what the you're even referring to; a bunch of nebulous references to Zoro beating people who you assume Sanji couldn't defeat, while also ignoring the moments of explicit representation. Surely Zoro and Sanji fighting opponents of the same caliber in major arcs (where both are participating in fights) who push them to get stronger is clearer evidence than Zoro defeating someone who doesn't even push him to gain a power up.
Was Zoro not being bested by King until he gained CoCcoating?......did you skip past 90 percent of the fight?. Yamato clashed her Coc against a hybrid Kaido 1v1, Zoro defeating King with it is not as impressive; if we use your line of argumentation of course.
Kaku had swords on top of Rokushiki, but even if you'd argue the gap between them I'd say no
Not a lot of difference but Sanji had to take Jabura's attack to get closer, while Zoro just shredded that shit. Makes sense as to why Sanji was breathing harder when all was said and done.
But in fairness neither looked bad
But in fairness neither looked bad
Zoro no diffed Kaku's strongest attack and then oneshotted him.
Lanji's opponent had to carry Zoro's. 1 hit from Zoro >>>>>>>>> , this will never change, that's why Zoro doesn't need 12 cheapshots against someone with no super defense and instead oneshots his opponents strongest moves, weapons, mom, grandma, anything.
Zoro fan boys getting desperate. There will never be a point where Yamato is stronger than Sanji.
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC
filler
Zoro fan boys getting desperate. There will never be a point where Yamato is stronger than Sanji.
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC
Zoro fan boys getting desperate. There will never be a point where Yamato is stronger than Sanji.
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC
Sanji's blue fames are WAYYYY more potent than Yamato's CoC coating. That's basic facts.
Yamato's level of CoC coating is still very basic. There are always levels to haki.
Luffy's ACoC >>> Zoro's ACoC >= Sanji's blue flames > Yamato's ACoC