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Kagu Nyan

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Not even one hour in the game and we already have 2 indie claims.

I am a bit wary of the Ratchet claim because of his wincon of killing three top killers in the game.

Juliet’s GA claim gives me a little better vibes.
 
Your interaction with me doesn’t even compute with what you’ve just said lol.

Nor why you bothered to bring up Ekko’s entrance in the first place if you found it NAI.
 

EkkoLoJinx

"What could have been..."
with a claim like that, if mafia is rly 8 players assuming 2 teams like last WoW game, then ratchet is going to be self resolving. he either kills them or gets killed by them.

thats one less slot we have to worry about day 1. id say thats huge actually
 

EkkoLoJinx

"What could have been..."
also the more we lynch mafia, the more we force them to perform kills with 1 player = the narrower ratchet's PoE becomes = the more ratchet becomes threat to mafia = win win for us
 

EkkoLoJinx

"What could have been..."
Not even one hour in the game and we already have 2 indie claims.

I am a bit wary of the Ratchet claim because of his wincon of killing three top killers in the game.

Juliet’s GA claim gives me a little better vibes.
hi kagura
can u give more details on the bolded
did u read our recent posts?
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
No shit lol. That’s why I kept asking for you to expand lol. Which you didn’t only after my 3rd “why”.


"It seems I'm still not getting through. The productivity is only keyed to my thought process because of your altogether unwillingness to parse information you're given. You saw my original statement, and instead of engaging with it, asked for elaboration, which then required clarification. This is why I'm saying your engagement level is very shallow. It's easier to reconcile as you looking for ways to look involved than it is you genuinely trying to solve... well, anything. You telling me "I don't have any problem with the post itself" isn't engagement. You haven't thought about why he makes that post, what relevance it has to the game, and in fact you haven't even explained your own point of view (apparently flat statements are okay when it's you making them?) - repeating "why" like a child isn't a substitute for scumhunting I'm afraid to say.​
As for your thoughts post claim , I’m not disregarding them, but you’ve been pretty consistent on your in fake claiming indie. And like you said in the Aries game, I’m not sure this is the game you’d break convention and fake claim indie. Maybe we revisit that later.
"*Pretty* consistent? Are you going to explain why you've couched that, or...? I've been the model of consistency on that front."​
If you’re good or bad indie is something I can worry about later and probably not something I’m gonna catch just from your thought process. Your thoughts would probably be mostly genuine if you’re indie.
"Well, thought process analysis doesn't stop at genuine/ingenuine. Is it consistent with something I'd be saying from my claimed role's point of view, am I leading anywhere I shouldn't be, do I display more interest in certain slots than can otherwise be explained by my claim, and so on."​
 

EkkoLoJinx

"What could have been..."


"I haven't botched anything. I'm saying it is within all of our interests to guarantee the success of these kills, hence the need for amps, and it's fairly obvious that I would be given the tools to guarantee deaths when I'm already told half of what I need to identify a player too. That would make my wincon automatic.​
bit unusual but fair
none is going to be claiming a character that has killed alot in the thread. there is no realistic way for u to match the role names with the respective player names unless u have a flavor cop of some sort. well, unless u have to rely on town to give u that info too. ur role is very dependent on town dont u think
 
"It seems I'm still not getting through. The productivity is only keyed to my thought process because of your altogether unwillingness to parse information you're given. You saw my original statement, and instead of engaging with it, asked for elaboration, which then required clarification. This is why I'm saying your engagement level is very shallow. It's easier to reconcile as you looking for ways to look involved than it is you genuinely trying to solve... well, anything. You telling me "I don't have any problem with the post itself" isn't engagement. You haven't thought about why he makes that post, what relevance it has to the game, and in fact you haven't even explained your own point of view (apparently flat statements are okay when it's you making them?) - repeating "why" like a child isn't a substitute for scumhunting I'm afraid to say.
I did think about it before I ever asked lol. Didn’t see an angle/thought process in his head that made more sense for him to make that entrance as scum rather than town and then decided I didn’t have a problem with it lol. I can’t engage any more than that other than seeing if you see something in it that I didn’t and try to track your thoughts and you apparently didn’t anyway lol. So I’m not even sure why you originally brought it up.
"*Pretty* consistent? Are you going to explain why you've couched that, or...? I've been the model of consistency on that front."
Couching is part of my natural vocabulary lol. You’ve just been consistent.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
disagree with this


"You usually do disagree with reason."​
we dont know ur flavor name, unless u r willing to share that down the line. we have no way of currently telling if a kill came from u or another person, well unless we spend resources tracking u / watch the victim (who should be leaning more towards being anti town according to the nature of the claim, therefore less likely to be watched). my point is we cannot verify your kills unless you share more with us.
"You're assuming that I said this verification would be instantaneous. I didn't. At some point I'm going to say who I killed so I can continue to receive buffs from the town to ensure my targets die thus expediting my removal from the game. And before all this, before I kill I will obviously be coming forward with the role name. So when you see a writeup of a character killing that role name, if we find it, then... I'm sure you can figure the rest out for yourself."​
if you are willing to full claim soon then we can move on from this. the earlier we have ur claim on the table, the more i'll be willing to work with u / less likely to tinfoil u in the future, given that u will be denied more future wiggle room the sooner u claim = make me feel better about ur slot.
"I will not be full claiming. There is no pressing need for it, and if I'm under the threat of being lynched, you may as well just do it anyway. The god news is - whether or not you feel good or bad about my slot means absolutely nothing to me. For one - you're not guaranteed Town. For two, results will speak for themselves.​
the concerns i have left are tinfoiling if you are game ending or not once you win. i'd say likely not.
"You come up with the most ridiculous design theories sometimes. A role that ends the game after it kills three times is a complete and total joke. I'm either telling the truth here, or I'm lying, but 'm not telling the truth and also being deceitful around it. To suggest so indicates a lack of actual thought behind your position."​
i cant just "take your word" for it in a super rolemadness game. best i can do is not tinfoil ur slot till day 3 and hope we have something to work with from there on out
"I'm sure you can do better. I believe in you. Fight on, nippah☆!"​
 

Kagu Nyan

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any early thoughts?
His claim is not making me trust him. But if there’s a small chance that what he’s saying is true then it wouldn’t make sense for him to come out like this given people are bound to mistrust him. For now, we will have to keep watching and see what he’s upto.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
I am a bit wary of the Ratchet claim because of his wincon of killing three top killers in the game.
"You may as well be saying nothing here. Why are you "wary" because of my stated wincon?"​
Your interaction with me doesn’t even compute with what you’ve just said lol.
"You're going to have to establish this. Yes, how awful. Extrapolation works both ways."​
Nor why you bothered to bring up Ekko’s entrance in the first place if you found it NAI.
"Bringing up weird posts can serve as a discussion topic (which it has) even if said post isn't intrinsically scummy. Look at how the game got moving already due to it."​
ur role is very dependent on town dont u think
"Well, duh. Why do you think I'm claiming?"​
I did think about it before I ever asked lol. Didn’t see an angle/thought process in his head that made more sense for him to make that entrance as scum rather than town and then decided I didn’t have a problem with it lol. I can’t engage any more than that other than seeing if you see something in it that I didn’t and try to track your thoughts and you apparently didn’t anyway lol. So I’m not even sure why you originally brought it up.
"A post can be made as either alignment and still be weird. It was weird. From that branches discussion points, and a lot of this you're saying is now cming in retrospect, which is a tad late in my opinion."​
Couching is part of my natural vocabulary lol. You’ve just been consistent.
Well I suggest you work on expunging it then, because otherwise it comes across as you wanting to straddle the fence regarding it by giving yourself an out or the option to pivot in your opinion without any discernible consequence."​
@Ratchet i dont think my entrance was weird.
"That's fairly alarming. My sleep patterns have absolutely nothing to do with you, they're not your concern. You have no requirement to comment on them, and unsolicited comments are seldom appreciated. For that to be your first real engagement in the thread is *weird*."​
 

EkkoLoJinx

"What could have been..."


"You usually do disagree with reason."​

"You're assuming that I said this verification would be instantaneous. I didn't. At some point I'm going to say who I killed so I can continue to receive buffs from the town to ensure my targets die thus expediting my removal from the game. And before all this, before I kill I will obviously be coming forward with the role name. So when you see a writeup of a character killing that role name, if we find it, then... I'm sure you can figure the rest out for yourself."​

"I will not be full claiming. There is no pressing need for it, and if I'm under the threat of being lynched, you may as well just do it anyway. The god news is - whether or not you feel good or bad about my slot means absolutely nothing to me. For one - you're not guaranteed Town. For two, results will speak for themselves.​

"You come up with the most ridiculous design theories sometimes. A role that ends the game after it kills three times is a complete and total joke. I'm either telling the truth here, or I'm lying, but 'm not telling the truth and also being deceitful around it. To suggest so indicates a lack of actual thought behind your position."​
i have nothing else to add. we'll revisit day 3. i solve ur slot via results anyway. this indie claim is an icing on the cake for me

"I'm sure you can do better. I believe in you. Fight on, nippah☆!"
afraid i cant from my position, atleast not today. whose to say u didnt just wake up today and say to urself "yep, todays the day i break my indie claiming meta" kek
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
His claim is not making me trust him. But if there’s a small chance that what he’s saying is true then it wouldn’t make sense for him to come out like this given people are bound to mistrust him. For now, we will have to keep watching and see what he’s upto.


"Again, you may as well be saying nothing at all. You don't trust me, because of my claim (why), but it wouldn't make sense for me to just claim this because it would make people not trust me, so you... do nothing and hope it just goes away? What exactly is your position on this?​
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
i have nothing else to add. we'll revisit day 3. i solve ur slot via results anyway. this indie claim is an icing on the cake for me

afraid i cant from my position, atleast not today. whose to say u didnt just wake up today and say to urself "yep, todays the day i break my indie claiming meta" kek


"Are you at all familiar with the concept of "giving the benefit of the doubt"? It means that, while your assumption cannot be assured, you have information (meta, in this case) to suggest that you don't need to be too concerned with it, and so the benefit of the doubt is applied until information comes to light to suggest that it shouldn't be. Which is to say, while I indeed could have just decided to break said meta, to date I've shown no willingness to do so, and so fr the ease of your own solving, you can assume that I wouldn't have broken said meta until further notice."​
 

Kagu Nyan

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"Again, you may as well be saying nothing at all. You don't trust me, because of my claim (why), but it wouldn't make sense for me to just claim this because it would make people not trust me, so you... do nothing and hope it just goes away? What exactly is your position on this?​
So many things can go wrong with this claim. Only time will tell.
 
Let's Move on from Ratchet. He claimed Indie with kills, and it is in his best interests to prove himself to us by taking down scums. Also i will fall asleep if read these long back to back posts.

I feel bit off about Prof, let's vote there.
Vote Lynch Prof
 
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