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Last time I checked I don't have to own a particular business to call it's bullshit.
My point is if oda doesn't want to write a decent woman combatant then he really shouldn't give focus on women being combatants in his manga. Bigmom is literally the only high tier that's a woman and she was written poorly.
My point is if oda doesn't want to write a decent woman combatant then he really shouldn't give focus on women being combatants in his manga. Bigmom is literally the only high tier that's a woman and she was written poorly.
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Ok. I'm gonna go just a little deep here.
Sanji.
Sanji "not hitting women" is how Oda thinks he's such a progressive and cool dude because he tries to embody a message of non-violence towards women on Sanji.
But the thing is, it's a good cause, but for the wrong reasons. Sanji was conditioned by Zeff to put women on a pedestal. He doesn't see them as human beings, he sees them as "divinities" who can do no wrong.
This is problematic as fuck, because, in real life, this creates "the good guys". People who don't know to interact with women seeing them as human beings, and end up resenting them when their feelings are not mutual.
Call it a "positive toxicity".
In Oda's head, simply "not hitting women because yes" is enough, since Oda himself apparently has a great difficulty of seeing women as complex human beings as much as anyone else.
They are beings who are more suited for "mother roles", "emotional beings", "caring creatures", etc. The basic notion that women are the "support class" for the men "hard carries".
That's why Nami has this fucking boner for being a "mother" to children, why even freaking ROBIN had a motherly approach with Momonosuke, why Toki, a time traveller from the Void Century was use as mere breeding mare and emotional support for the awesome and flawless Oden, etc.
One PIece is an extremely sexist manga EVEN pre-TS. Don't fool yourself because Nami and Robin were a little bit less worse than women in order shounen.
Accept it, filter it for the real life, and move on.
Which is why I get disgusted when I see the shallow "woke" shit of "hurr durr but sanji pervert". Nothing more than shallow excuses to justify their own "morality" like it would give them a cookie as a prize or something.
TL;DR: Oda is a hack.
Sanji.
Sanji "not hitting women" is how Oda thinks he's such a progressive and cool dude because he tries to embody a message of non-violence towards women on Sanji.
But the thing is, it's a good cause, but for the wrong reasons. Sanji was conditioned by Zeff to put women on a pedestal. He doesn't see them as human beings, he sees them as "divinities" who can do no wrong.
This is problematic as fuck, because, in real life, this creates "the good guys". People who don't know to interact with women seeing them as human beings, and end up resenting them when their feelings are not mutual.
Call it a "positive toxicity".
In Oda's head, simply "not hitting women because yes" is enough, since Oda himself apparently has a great difficulty of seeing women as complex human beings as much as anyone else.
They are beings who are more suited for "mother roles", "emotional beings", "caring creatures", etc. The basic notion that women are the "support class" for the men "hard carries".
That's why Nami has this fucking boner for being a "mother" to children, why even freaking ROBIN had a motherly approach with Momonosuke, why Toki, a time traveller from the Void Century was use as mere breeding mare and emotional support for the awesome and flawless Oden, etc.
One PIece is an extremely sexist manga EVEN pre-TS. Don't fool yourself because Nami and Robin were a little bit less worse than women in order shounen.
Accept it, filter it for the real life, and move on.
Which is why I get disgusted when I see the shallow "woke" shit of "hurr durr but sanji pervert". Nothing more than shallow excuses to justify their own "morality" like it would give them a cookie as a prize or something.
TL;DR: Oda is a hack.
I guess I know now why his daughters dont care much about his work. They will probably have some dark realizations when they are older though. Poor girls. :(
Ah, that's great to know. I didnt know that, but I definitely tipped my hat when he listed all the examples of bad writing of female characters. In general I really enjoyed watching his videos, tbh. I liked how he layed the groundwork properly in the beginning and then diving in to present his standpoint clearly. One may argue with the length ( i liked it though, because I really miss having lengthy discussions about this stuff) and I dont agree with every point he brought up, but I have massive respect for him to sit down gathering all the thoughts and facts and make such a long video about it. Especially in this day and age. I also dont think he is over the top with his criticism. I actually think most of it lays on a solid argumentation so I don't get the hate. But I get how people try to push someone into a corner these days and he kinda just went with the neckbeard image visually when he presents himself to take the heat out of the argument, I guess. It's kinda brave if you think about it.
Ah, that's great to know. I didnt know that, but I definitely tipped my hat when he listed all the examples of bad writing of female characters. In general I really enjoyed watching his videos, tbh. I liked how he layed the groundwork properly in the beginning and then diving in to present his standpoint clearly. One may argue with the length ( i liked it though, because I really miss having lengthy discussions about this stuff) and I dont agree with every point he brought up, but I have massive respect for him to sit down gathering all the thoughts and facts and make such a long video about it. Especially in this day and age. I also dont think he is over the top with his criticism. I actually think most of it lays on a solid argumentation so I don't get the hate. But I get how people try to push someone into a corner these days and he kinda just went with the neckbeard image visually when he presents himself to take the heat out of the argument, I guess. It's kinda brave if you think about it.
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I would be surprised if he was joking tbh.
Exactly. I've seen some recent criticisms of OP say its not longer about the SHs and their dreams, Oda is trying to make it "grander" and more "complex" and its really lost its sense of identity, spirit, adventure and such.
There was even criticism of how Nami is meant to complete her dream if she wants to draw all islands since there are thousands in the OP world? She wants to map all the seas right?
I was really hoping Yamato would break that stereotype. I still cringe at Miss Monday.
Exactly. I've seen some recent criticisms of OP say its not longer about the SHs and their dreams, Oda is trying to make it "grander" and more "complex" and its really lost its sense of identity, spirit, adventure and such.
There was even criticism of how Nami is meant to complete her dream if she wants to draw all islands since there are thousands in the OP world? She wants to map all the seas right?
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I was really hoping Yamato would break that stereotype. I still cringe at Miss Monday.
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