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MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
No, what you lot seem to not understand is that Indies are going to take certain pro town actions, you need to roll with that and focus on the fact that you don't need to eliminate them to win. If I did *nothing*, why would town do *anything* in my favour?
ultra played “townie” but didn’t fully help town that’s the difference plus I’ve played for many years and on OJ I was one of the top indie players there so I I’d rest and the rope well I’m not just going to go full town side. You played as a full townie and were outing scum slots for literally zero reasoning and you gave up a target for an indie to just delete cycle 1. Idek how you don’t understand that much.
 
@Fujishiro my biggest concern with your game was having the mechanics of role revealing which basically were just about proven useless kagu even said I’m bp so I won’t die along with the ability to openly share the entire number of each faction 8 mafia and 4 indies that completely removes actual game solving and gives town and out and the We’re able to piece together some stuff I don’t honk they would’ve actually been able to do without that info.
If he takes that stuff out he has to nerf those scum roles into the ground. The game was clearly balanced for scum to bulldoze through the game with abilities even if they were mostly all outted and win that way.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
its the truth and im tired of pretending its not. i see no justifiable explaination. if it wasnt then why not let us continue the game. if the next day looks abysmal he can end it. legit 48 hour night to solve this and he didnt want to. its my mistake in the first place. i saved the game from being taken to the last day. town wud complain so much for mafia winning. thats alot of headache i saved.

also pretty rich coming from u who assumes spite for everything i do
Just shut up.
 
ultra played “townie” but didn’t fully help town that’s the difference plus I’ve played for many years and on OJ I was one of the top indie players there so I I’d rest and the rope well I’m not just going to go full town side. You played as a full townie and were outing scum slots for literally zero reasoning and you gave up a target for an indie to just delete cycle 1. Idek how you don’t understand that much.
Yeh I was totally ignoring ultra even tho he killed me.
Kek
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
I would point to the root of the problem not being Ratchet's approach but the fact that his role rewarded him for such play, more of a statement against having too much indi stuff crammed into a game
i do feel a lot was unbalanced especially with the ultra kill not being equivalent to an omega basically one in the same. I don’t really see the point in adding it. We could’ve just had supers and used rolecrushed better but we all assumed ultras bypass all that nonsense like an omega does.
 

Peroroncino

🅷🅰🅻🅰 🅼🅰🅳🆁🅸🅳
Hey, Ekko, stop. The integrity of the game was lost the moment you made that post. It doesn't matter if only 2 indies saw it or the whole player list saw it. You can't expect Fuji to wrack his brain trying to figure out who saw it or not and then having to bust his ass trying to find subs for those who did or did not. What happened wasn't a singular event (like say, adding a townie to the mafia chat by accident. That can be resolved through a sub) but a universal event that affects the whole game state. Fuji can't go asking everybody if they saw your post cause that only makes things worse. Additionally, you shouldn't have pm'ed Ultra. I don't need to explain to you why that was a bad idea. Fuji made the right call. The decision's been made, stop arguing about it. Don't make yourself look worse. @Ekkologix
He pmed ultra? Wtf
 
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Dragomir

i dont care how i look
this just tells me fuji doesnt trust the players to be truthful about saying they didnt see it
meh/10
again not convinced
I don't care how convinced you are. The decision's been made. Stop arguing about it. Have some empathy. After ruining the man's game, you all up here in arguing over and over. You're rubbing salt in the wound. Just stop.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
Ratchet why do you think we didn’t care for blue or ultra cause they didn’t fuck with us the way you did. We didn’t even care pein was shot by an indie it was annoying yes but that same indie didn’t fuck with us after that. I only went after juliet cause she was low hanging fruit and was taking heat away from my team by feeding them to another indie.
 

EkkoLoJinx

No dude... that's a bike...!!
I don't care how convinced you are. The decision's been made. Stop arguing about it. Have some empathy. After ruining the man's game, you all up here in arguing over and over. You're rubbing salt in the wound. Just stop.
ill stop it in a bit
i need answers first
i already apologized
now i get to complain about how our host fixed a mistake with another

all this from my PoV ofc
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
yet you did it for no real reason - you know I was heavily advocating for us not to target you early game and to leave you to town - only time I advocated against you was on your lynch and this last cycle cause you kept playing town and against your actual wincon you had your two targets you could’ve even just worked with blue and ultra just killing doc and lower town numbers and scum as a whole would’ve had advantage possibly even coming into this cycle cause pein had vote count of two plus we would’ve had like 6 votes for mafia alone.

we w weren’t even going to waste any abilities on you and I was against just about everyone against you and we let you live and decided to shoot doc cause he was your target and you also had Vergil as another slot to hunt but you just played town which is so fucking boring and lame to watch. You actively scum hinted here while you stated you weren’t going to do that. Idk if you just play dumb or don’t actually notice you make enemies out of scum cause you ply to town sided for zero reasoning good faith I get but as a hostile indie it’s annoying when your team is getting punished for no reason.
I "played town" the moment Purple scum decided, after getting wrecked early game, they would blow their strongest ability to lynch me. Before that I hadn't really done all that much. Why do you not understand this? The moment that happened I had no reason to play neutral at all because I knew my role was tanky enough and I had just had scum go out of their way to ruin my game even when it's suboptimal for them. You're actually crazy if you think you guys did anything worth siding with or helping over Prof or Flower who were actively helping me out.
 
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