[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 5 : Town of Salem

[TheAncientCenturion]

I was suspicious of FB because there was a lot of inconsistencies in his posts and I wanted to prove it. Especially when he tried to cast suspicion on Flower and saying that his slip was intentional, I wanted to make sure that the other townies see that it was definitiely not something that should be ignored. I don't understand why by being suspicious of FB would put me as a suspect.

What did Reborn say to you?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I'm not sure how else I could have approached the situation. Beta was confirmed scum to my eyes. So I rolled with that and blocked him. I don't want to talk to confirmed scum and have my reads be influenced by him. It was a perfectly reasonable thing to do for me.

You should talk to confirmed scum.

@TheAncientCenturion I was confident on Beta being scum this whole time. His voyeur claim was absolute nonsense and I didn't believe thing that he posted after that. Doing it for reactions? Horseshit. Even though I was confident on him being scum, I didn't realize that he was the SK until after Dark had made his claim. That only increased my already high confidence on Beta's alignment. There's nothing scummy about that progression.

ESPECIALLY because you didn't realize he was SK.

If you suspected he was Mafia, knowing what he said and what lines he tried to draw between him and other players (and vice versa) is pretty important. This doesn't seem like good justification at all in the long run, which is why I presume you knew he was SK the second Consort died.

 

[Finalbeta]

@TheAncientCenturion That's not how mafia works lol. Expecially ToS. You can't have a likely in-game role to be lynched just because of some things you believe to be inconsistencies.

I'm not confirmed yes but I'm one of the few claimed roles, that moreover are very likely to be present in the game.

If you truly believe that DA is not a LO you shouldn't be so eager to lynch me.

You are just confirming my suspects of Hypno having RBed me because I had sus'ed you yesterday.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@TheAncientCenturion That's not how mafia works lol. Expecially ToS. You can't have a likely in-game role to be lynched just because of some things you believe to be inconsistencies.

I'm not confirmed yes but I'm one of the few claimed roles, that moreover are very likely to be present in the game.

If you truly believe that DA is not a LO you shouldn't be so eager to lynch me.

You are just confirming my suspects of Hypno having RBed me because I had sus'ed you yesterday.

Beta. We likely have 4 Mafia.

1 Mafioso
1 Godfather
1 Janitor
1 Consort

Stop with this Hypnos bullshit.

I have no reason to suspect we have a LO. You both claiming that role doesn't really mean anything. I don't need to believe we have a LO when we have to other TI role claims with more validity to them.

 

[Dragomir]

Lynch the scum in front of us in case;

• The Jailer is already cleaned.
• The Jailer doesn't believe Beta is scum.
• The Jailer is RBed by one of the two escorts.

I'm not sure, in this forum style, if a Witch controlling a Jailer is an insta execution from the Jailer. But, if it's not, then factor that in. There's too many what if's for anyone to pawn it off on the Jailer. Get rid of the confirmed scum now and let the Jailer, should we still have one, look at the next most sus player.

With all these possibilities, then why suggest the Jailor to execute the non-confirmed scum player? You put in the extra possibility of them being town and the Jailor loses their executions. It's not probable.

All of these points are possible. But that's it. They're possible like damn near everything else in this game. Are they likely possibilities? No, I think not. They're very miniscule in my eyes so they shouldn't be considered that heavily. Besides the 2nd point, they're all just a matter of luck. It's lucky for mafia that they took out the jailor N1 and cleaned him. It's unlucky for town that our jailor got role blocked the night they jailed the SK. We can't plan for luck. Luck is random and can just happen. It's not something that we should look into as it just doesn't lead anywhere.

The only plausible thing to look at is how likely is it that the jailor will lose their executions if they were to execute X player? The possibility goes higher if it were for DA compared to Beta.

 

[Dragomir]

You should talk to confirmed scum.

ESPECIALLY because you didn't realize he was SK.

If you suspected he was Mafia, knowing what he said and what lines he tried to draw between him and other players (and vice versa) is pretty important. This doesn't seem like good justification at all in the long run, which is why I presume you knew he was SK the second Consort died.

I do that during the night phase. If Beta was mafia then we can still find his buddies based on what he says to other players. I don't need to talk to him. He can talk to the rest of you guys.

 

[Finalbeta]

It's cute how you have so much knowledge over which the mafia roles are in this game @TheAncientCenturion how do you know exactly these are the ones to be present in this one?

So you believe the chances of Lookout being present in the game are minimal. Ok.

 

[Dragomir]

Beta. We likely have 4 Mafia.

1 Mafioso
1 Godfather
1 Janitor
1 Consort

Stop with this Hypnos bullshit.

I have no reason to suspect we have a LO. You both claiming that role doesn't really mean anything. I don't need to believe we have a LO when we have to other TI role claims with more validity to them.

The LO claim has the highest validity right now dude. Beta was role blocked. DA confirmed this by seeing that the dead consort visited him. You could say that he was lying but that would mean that somebody else role blocked Beta. As of yet, there have been no claims to counter what DA has said. If somebody else has role blocked Beta and not Relapse then they will have claimed and called out DA on his bs. But that hasn't happened yet.

I am aware that not everybody has spoken yet but my point still remains. If nobody comes forth claiming that they blocked Beta or simply visited him(DA did say that only one person visited Beta, so anybody else claiming to visit him would shut that down), then DA's claim is likely the truth.

 

[Dragomir]

Also, how the hell is DA a witch? The witch wouldn't know who visited Beta. They could say that their target visited him but that would be too ballsy as they wouldn't know if their target was the only visitor. Lookout claim is incredibly risky for scum to make.

DA's claim is legit.

 

[Dragomir]

You didn't get my play that's why. Rej explained you how that's common.

Rej didn't explain shit. I've played damn near all the ToS games that Rej has. Stuff like this isn't common. I only know one other player that would fake claim as town and their reason wasn't to troll or bait reactions like you claimed to be doing.

Now coupled by the fact that you have never played like this before, like ever, not in the games on OJ or the last two games in which you were town. Everything you're saying is horseshit.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

With all these possibilities, then why suggest the Jailor to execute the non-confirmed scum player? You put in the extra possibility of them being town and the Jailor loses their executions. It's not probable.

All of these points are possible. But that's it. They're possible like damn near everything else in this game. Are they likely possibilities? No, I think not. They're very miniscule in my eyes so they shouldn't be considered that heavily. Besides the 2nd point, they're all just a matter of luck. It's lucky for mafia that they took out the jailor N1 and cleaned him. It's unlucky for town that our jailor got role blocked the night they jailed the SK. We can't plan for luck. Luck is random and can just happen. It's not something that we should look into as it just doesn't lead anywhere.

The only plausible thing to look at is how likely is it that the jailor will lose their executions if they were to execute X player? The possibility goes higher if it were for DA compared to Beta.

Because if we do have a Jailer, he can handle the less severe issue. And even if he doesn't kill DA, we can still guess if we have a Witch active the previous night by who was and wasn't controlled. If someone wasn't and DA was in jail, there's more evidence to support him being a witch.

There's ZERO reason to leave Beta hanging on a Jailer that isn't even around anymore. Don't take the risk until we know if a jailer is around.

I do that during the night phase. If Beta was mafia then we can still find his buddies based on what he says to other players. I don't need to talk to him. He can talk to the rest of you guys.

Except who knows the reaction you'll garner by pushing him as scum? Who'll defend him and who'll be quick to accuse him also? If you thought he was Mafia-scum, I see no valid reason to ignore him. Your behavior is just very sketch.

It's cute how you have so much knowledge over which the mafia roles are in this game @TheAncientCenturion how do you know exactly these are the ones to be present in this one?

So you believe the chances of Lookout being present in the game are minimal. Ok.

We know there's a consort, we know there's a janitor. And the typical game, which I am basing my knowledge off of, includes 1 GF and 1 Mafioso.

There's no reason to support a Hypnos besides clearing your tarnished name.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Also, how the hell is DA a witch? The witch wouldn't know who visited Beta. They could say that their target visited him but that would be too ballsy as they wouldn't know if their target was the only visitor. Lookout claim is incredibly risky for scum to make.

DA's claim is legit.

I could be wrong about DA. It's up in the air, but DA had some fumbling around and he's either LO who conveniently was at the right place or Witch.

 

[Dragomir]

It's cute how you have so much knowledge over which the mafia roles are in this game @TheAncientCenturion how do you know exactly these are the ones to be present in this one?

So you believe the chances of Lookout being present in the game are minimal. Ok.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding what he has been saying? He never said that a lookout being present is minimal but that he as no reason suspect it being in the game, which is fair. There is no reason to believe an LO exists.

 

[AL sama]

@Rej was seen whispering to @TheAncientCenturion ​

 

[Dragomir]

Because if we do have a Jailer, he can handle the less severe issue. And even if he doesn't kill DA, we can still guess if we have a Witch active the previous night by who was and wasn't controlled. If someone wasn't and DA was in jail, there's more evidence to support him being a witch.

There's ZERO reason to leave Beta hanging on a Jailer that isn't even around anymore. Don't take the risk until we know if a jailer is around.

You know what? This is fair. You do find out whether or not DA is witch.

Except who knows the reaction you'll garner by pushing him as scum? Who'll defend him and who'll be quick to accuse him also? If you thought he was Mafia-scum, I see no valid reason to ignore him. Your behavior is just very sketch.

Dude. Does it really matter?

 

[Dragomir]

I could be wrong about DA. It's up in the air, but DA had some fumbling around and he's either LO who conveniently was at the right place or Witch.

Is there any evidence to dismiss him being LO and to support witch?

 

[Finalbeta]

Are you intentionally misunderstanding what he has been saying? He never said that a lookout being present is minimal but that he as no reason suspect it being in the game, which is fair. There is no reason to believe an LO exists.

LO is a very common role in ToS. Moreover 2 players have been claiming it so far.

You are just being blind or purposefully blind.

You can't lynch one of the few claims in the game that also look feasible just because you have some mild suspicion that is also easily explanaible.

You keep ignoring how fishing for players reads the way I did is so odd, when it is not. You don't trust Rej's experience with this game too? Fine.

 

[Finalbeta]

Also Drago you have been believing DA to be an LO till this moment. Now you are abruptly believing all the opposite. LMFAO.

 

[Dragomir]

Also Drago you have been believing DA to be an LO till this moment. Now you are abruptly believing all the opposite. LMFAO.

Are you dumb? Where did I say that I stopped believing he was LO? I was trying to explain why TAC not believing in LO is fine. That defense had nothing to do with my own reads.

Go to the stupid pile.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I'll reply in maybe an hour. Something came up.