Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

[Franosuke]

in every arc law is in
he has fought someone stronger than zoro's opponent
so if he tags along , that isnt going to stop. I dindt envision law and kidd taking down big mom before wano started so I cant speculate on who or what oda makes them do when he ultimately wants them to continue this rivalry with luf

Law's only 1v1 was Vergo. Doffy was a group fight & so was Big Mom. Not to mention that Zoro 1v1'd someone with the same rank as Vergo (Pica) and fodderized him just as badly.

Idk why y'all are hung up on the notion that Law and Kid being Luffy's rivals is a reason to put them above Zoro. Zoro is not a regular no. 2, that is very obvious. He has CoC and ACoC. He is one of only 2 supernovas who aren't captains...and he completely defeated that same counterpart before even having Enma or conqueror's haki.

as far as your mihawk- greenbull take , its not like that isnt the conclusion you would jump to just cause he has a sword anyway.
well you can think that, I certainly wont and by the looks of it, I doubt most fans will either. I see what mihawk did with a blackblade as unique , if greenbull has it in addition to likely a mythical zoan ,I would not in anyway assume he is weaker esp when these two havent fought at all. it does the opposite, essentially tells me he has has reached a level comparable to mihawk in swordsmanship in addition to other abilities which mihawk doesn't seem to have .

This is checklist power-scaling though. My point about Green Bull having a black blade was more in reference to the idea that he is genuinely a swordsman...not just "some guy who has a sword." Since Mihawk is known as the "World's Strongest Swordsman," it implies that he is stronger than everyone who is classified as a swordsman. Even if Green Bull has other abilities besides a black blade, that only means that having a black blade can't be the only reason that Mihawk is the WSS.

absolutely nothing guarantees zoro surpasses mihawk but other characters wont. Luffy is well on track to surpass him in strength if he hasnt already( honestly think he has)
and by the looks of it , law is too. next step for him is a top tier 1v1 and that should seal it for me. whether those characters are interested in challenging mihawk for his wss title is the difference here.

I'm not saying other characters won't surpass Mihawk. Obviously Luffy will, there shouldn't be a question about that. But Law getting a 1v1 against someone about as strong or stronger than Mihawk is not guaranteed. Zoro is, barring any unforeseen circumstances, guaranteed to be stronger than Mihawk. That's the difference.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Law's only 1v1 was Vergo. Doffy was a group fight & so was Big Mom. Not to mention that Zoro 1v1'd someone with the same rank as Vergo (Pica) and fodderized him just as badly.

Idk why y'all are hung up on the notion that Law and Kid being Luffy's rivals is a reason to put them above Zoro. Zoro is not a regular no. 2, that is very obvious. He has CoC and ACoC. He is one of only 2 supernovas who aren't captains...and he completely defeated that same counterpart before even having Enma or conqueror's haki.

This is checklist power-scaling though. My point about Green Bull having a black blade was more in reference to the idea that he is genuinely a swordsman...not just "some guy who has a sword." Since Mihawk is known as the "World's Strongest Swordsman," it implies that he is stronger than everyone who is classified as a swordsman. Even if Green Bull has other abilities besides a black blade, that only means that having a black blade can't be the only reason that Mihawk is the WSS.

I'm not saying other characters won't surpass Mihawk. Obviously Luffy will, there shouldn't be a question about that. But Law getting a 1v1 against someone about as strong or stronger than Mihawk is not guaranteed. Zoro is, barring any unforeseen circumstances, guaranteed to be stronger than Mihawk. That's the difference.

taking down big mom in a 2v1 >>>>> a 1v1 with king
greenbull just about shows you the gulf between characters like him and those like king and queen .

" Zoro 1v1'd someone with the same rank as Vergo (Pica) and fodderized him just as badly."
zoro did an arc after , where law where law would go on to fight someone eons above pica terminally wounding him .



"Idk why y'all are hung up on the notion that Law and Kid being Luffy's rivals is a reason to put them above Zoro. Zoro is not a regular no. 2, that is very obvious. He has CoC and ACoC. He is one of only 2 supernovas who aren't captains...and he completely defeated that same counterpart before even having Enma or conqueror's haki."

am the last person to be hung up on notions like this , you can go check my post as far back as two years ago. as far as I was concerned at the time, they were glorified luffy cheerleaders. that notion has been completely destroyed. Coming out of the wano arc, sure they didnt beat a yonko solo,but a 2v1 is the next best thing and that is still much better than what zoro was able to accomplish . three arcs in a row , I see oda having law face off with opponents much stronger than zoro's even if it isn't a solo battle, the fact that they are much stronger than who zoro has to go up against says a lot. Most people here would be hard pressed to call luffy vs kaido a solo battle, but the fact kaido is eons above king makes it clear luffy is significantly stronger than zoro is. He has acoc , so does yamato , I dont care if he is a captain or isnt a captain, what I care about is what he has done and how he is portrayed given the things that he has . am sorry but its clear you can have all those things and be weaker than someone who doesnt.


zoro isnt a regular n2 , law and kidd arent regular sn's either . you need to understand that.

 

[Nagasaki]

The manga and Oda will never give us a straight answer on any fandom comparison.

You can even say that Robin can beat Sanji and Zoro just as easily as against Hakuba, the manga will never disprove you, just fans.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Yes its called WSS

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yamato also has that
I dont see her above law in anyway, now or eos
not as blanket as you make it seem

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and thats a huge problem

You don't see her above Law in anyway?? Lmfao
Yamato is faster, has better CoC, physically stronger and crazy Endurance. What are you even saying.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Law's only 1v1 was Vergo. Doffy was a group fight & so was Big Mom. Not to mention that Zoro 1v1'd someone with the same rank as Vergo (Pica) and fodderized him just as badly.

Idk why y'all are hung up on the notion that Law and Kid being Luffy's rivals is a reason to put them above Zoro. Zoro is not a regular no. 2, that is very obvious. He has CoC and ACoC. He is one of only 2 supernovas who aren't captains...and he completely defeated that same counterpart before even having Enma or conqueror's haki.

This is checklist power-scaling though. My point about Green Bull having a black blade was more in reference to the idea that he is genuinely a swordsman...not just "some guy who has a sword." Since Mihawk is known as the "World's Strongest Swordsman," it implies that he is stronger than everyone who is classified as a swordsman. Even if Green Bull has other abilities besides a black blade, that only means that having a black blade can't be the only reason that Mihawk is the WSS.

I'm not saying other characters won't surpass Mihawk. Obviously Luffy will, there shouldn't be a question about that. But Law getting a 1v1 against someone about as strong or stronger than Mihawk is not guaranteed. Zoro is, barring any unforeseen circumstances, guaranteed to be stronger than Mihawk. That's the difference.

second argument since this is a bit off topic

green bull whether on not he had a black blade was going to be viewed as such unfortunately as is the same with fujitora. lets not kid ourselves . same way roger is despite not having one. mihawk like wb in mf earned the wss title eons ago and hasnt been challenged for it in years. he will keep that title until someone willing to challenge him takes him down. doesn't make it exactly conclusive does it ...


you might think an admiral isnt stronger than mihawk
I very much think law's possible matchup can and might be. again how you interpret blanket titles in the story really matters. if oda continues to have law and zoro in the same arc while law takes on greater feats, better portrayal similar to the shanks--mihawk mess we have now, majority of fan opinion would lean to law just as it does shanks atm.

and oda does a darn great job at keeping it vague.

 

[Ven437]

He hasn’t even given us a direct answer between Shanks and Mihawk.

Oda is the king of baiting and indirect storytelling. But WSS in the grand scheme of things will matter less than Poneglyphs, Nika, and Will of D so I doubt he’ll ever give any swordsman clout to anybody else besides Zoro, it’s basically a one-man tournament. Zoro is guaranteed to have that title which will put him on the top tiers (exact position dependent on what opponents he defeats prior to that like an Admiral).

Law already has feats comparable to top tiers and is guaranteed to have even more. The amount of portrayal he gives to Law is insane, only second behind Luffy on the good guys’ side.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Yes its called WSS

Post automatically merged: Jul 7, 2022

You don't see her above Law in anyway?? Lmfao
Yamato is faster, has better CoC, physically stronger and crazy Endurance. What are you even saying.

law showed darn good endurance taking the beating bm dealt both him and kidd in the fight in addition to the heavy drawback of their awakening.
can teleport with shambles which is certainly faster than what yamato can do
and with his awakening , actually fatally wounded big mom enough to scrap off years of her life while yamato could only hope to stall kaido till luffy got back and barely managed to hurt him significantly when she got her licks in.


bit funny you are asking me what am I saying
dont waste my time pls.

 

[Geo]

Zoro objectively has better feats than Law in this arc.

What he achieved on the rooftop without his PU is objectively better than the feats performed by Law against Big Mom...where every single attack landed was offguard

 

[Finalbeta]

My boy Zoro has been done so dirty the next step might be losing to Law If Oda will head to Extreme mode

 

[Aknolagon]

Zoro will get his WSS title ( which nobody in the story seem to give a fuck about apart from Zoro and mihawk) but law will always have better portrayal as he would be fighting stronger opponents.

Because anyone wanted to become a Yonkou except "Buggy the gag" ?

Kidd, Luffy, Kaido, Big Mom all want to become the PK. No one gives a fuck about yonkou also lol

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Difference b/w a skilled fighter and a noob who needs distractions to land every other attack:

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Kaido had Law on the ground 30 seconds into the fight while Yamato held off Kaido for several minutes by herself. There is literally no comparison there. Having flashy moves is cool and all but it's meaningless when you lack the ability to utilize them. Law's got one of the most dangerous abilities in the OP verse, and his most significant limiting factor is his inability to use it fully.

Now, Zoro's raw skills are not only as good as Yamato's, but his offensive power is also comparable to Law if not better. The guy's basically as lethal as Law, as resilient as Kid/Luffy, and as skilled as Yamato. There is no way he'd fall short against the likes of Law and Kid just because he happened to be a subordinate. People need to stop bringing up Luffy to elevate Law and Kid; they are comparable to him in any way.

 

[Finalbeta]

Way two different planets orbiting in size

 

[WesMidnight]

Difference b/w a skilled fighter and a noob who needs distractions to land every other attack:

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Kaido had Law on the ground 30 seconds into the fight while Yamato held off Kaido for several minutes by herself. There is literally no comparison there. Having flashy moves is cool and all but it's meaningless when you lack the ability to utilize them. Law's got one of the most dangerous abilities in the OP verse, and his most significant limiting factor is his inability to use it fully.

Now, Zoro's raw skills are not only as good as Yamato's, but his offensive power is also comparable to Law if not better. The guy's basically as lethal as Law, as resilient as Kid/Luffy, and as skilled as Yamato. There is no way he'd fall short against the likes of Law and Kid just because he happened to be a subordinate. People need to stop bringing up Luffy to elevate Law and Kid; they are comparable to him in any way.

Zoro's offensive power can't knock a yonko down, even when the yonko is distracted and underestimating him.
Zoro is getting clowned in the panel you are using to prove his superiority over Law.
How can your reading comprehension be this bad lol.

 

[stealthblack]

Difference b/w a skilled fighter and a noob who needs distractions to land every other attack:

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Kaido had Law on the ground 30 seconds into the fight while Yamato held off Kaido for several minutes by herself. There is literally no comparison there. Having flashy moves is cool and all but it's meaningless when you lack the ability to utilize them. Law's got one of the most dangerous abilities in the OP verse, and his most significant limiting factor is his inability to use it fully.

Now, Zoro's raw skills are not only as good as Yamato's, but his offensive power is also comparable to Law if not better. The guy's basically as lethal as Law, as resilient as Kid/Luffy, and as skilled as Yamato. There is no way he'd fall short against the likes of Law and Kid just because he happened to be a subordinate. People need to stop bringing up Luffy to elevate Law and Kid; they are comparable to him in any way.

Zoros strongest attacks made a scratch on kaidou and beat yc1 level person, someone that admiral neg diffed.

Law's attacks did most of rhe damage on yonkou. As in law beat kaidous equivalent something zoro failed.

And zoro is warrior and law is more like wizard. Can't compare them since wizard can beat warrior any day of the week, even if he would be weaker in raw strength and weapons wielding.

Zoro is underling and law and kidd will forever be above him because they are rivals of luffy.

And unlike yonkous level haki, law powers easily work on zoro.

 

[JoNdule]

Pretty much this.
The closer we'll get to the end, the more ambiguous it will get.
They'll practically be equals by EoS.

They won't be equal
Law will remain superior

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Zoro's not only awakened to his Conquerors Haki, he's also realized the full potential of it - the potential that Garp, Mihawk, the Admirals, Whitebeard all saw in Luffy back in Marineford, the very potential that Doflamingo was talking about in that instance where he placed Luffy over Law. ​

Yet King is above Katakuri according to you

Make it make sense

 

[Gear5PhoenixMan]

Zoro survived Luffy's pain from Kuma. He would survive gamma knife.

Zoro would win. Extreme Diff.

 

[stealthblack]

Zoro survived Luffy's pain from Kuma. He would survive gamma knife.

Zoro would win. Extreme Diff.

The kuma thing is something anyone in the NW could do, stop pushing it like some top tier feat ffs lol

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Zoro's offensive power can't knock a yonko down, even when the yonko is distracted and underestimating him.
Zoro is getting clowned in the panel you are using to prove his superiority over Law.
How can your reading comprehension be this bad lol.

You must have a PhD in ignorance and selective reading if you're really trying to sell us the idea that Zoro was getting clowned when he was literally on the ground, unable to stand on his own two feet, even before Kaido started assaulting them.

Two, Zoro permanently scarred Kaido with crude CoC, which he just awakened, and he did it with a broken body. Another detail you deliberately chose to ignore is the fact that Kaido was literally looking at Zoro and tried to stop Asura from cutting him. He still failed to stop his assault, something Law can only dream of doing.

 

[WesMidnight]

The kuma thing is something anyone in the NW could do, stop pushing it like some top tier feat ffs lol

"Kuma, who worked for Dragon and wanted to support Luffy's crew, didn't kill one of the main characters and only left them nerfed for an arc on the verge of death! woooooaaahhhhh"

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You must have a PhD in ignorance and selective reading if you're really trying to sell us the idea that Zoro was getting clowned when he was literally on the ground, unable to stand on his own two feet, even before Kaido started assaulting them.

Two, Zoro permanently scarred Kaido with crude CoC, which he just awakened, and he did it with a broken body. Another detail you deliberately chose to ignore is the fact that Kaido was literally looking at Zoro and tried to stop Asura from cutting him. He still failed to stop his assault, something Law can only dream of doing.

Zoro admitted he put everything into the attack and was DISAPPOINTED with the result of a minor small scar that Oda didn't consistently draw afterwards.
Luffy fought Kaidou in an extended fight while coming back from dying, taking hakai for a split second is no excuse for having an insufficient finisher, that is legitimately Zoro's power level.

 

[nik87]

he will make zoro the wss but they will never fight
in arcs where law is present he will be part of taking down significantly stronger opponents than zoro
and would receive portrayal a bit closer to luffy than zoro would.


the wss title will convince zoro fans he is certainly above law, for others who read the story without placing importance into blanket titles, it wouldnt mean a thing. TLDR shanks vs mihawk all over again.

When Zoro takes out Mihawk, who will Law gang up on to "look better"?