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And then Oda decided, not just to leave Ryuma in the last as a character from his one-shots, but to insert him into the main story, have him encounter the character he inspired, and then have that character (Zoro) be from a village named after him.
And you don't find that even the slightest bit interesting?
What did Zoro befriending Yasu have to do with his swords?
And given the veneration that Wano people gave for swords... why do you think it somehow helps your argument that Zoro is so strongly linked with their weapons
He literally does not say that. What he said was that someone we are all familiar with is a descendant of someone on the Wano ship. Koshiro and Kuina don't really fit the bill for that, given that they have barely appeared in the series.
And then with this SBS he's revealed yes, Koshiro descended from someone on that ship... and then basically confirms it has something to do with Zoro's family as well.
Nothing about what Oda said there seems like he's trolling in the slightest. It's a baffling conclusion to draw from all of this.
And you don't find that even the slightest bit interesting?
What did Zoro befriending Yasu have to do with his swords?
And given the veneration that Wano people gave for swords... why do you think it somehow helps your argument that Zoro is so strongly linked with their weapons
He literally does not say that. What he said was that someone we are all familiar with is a descendant of someone on the Wano ship. Koshiro and Kuina don't really fit the bill for that, given that they have barely appeared in the series.
And then with this SBS he's revealed yes, Koshiro descended from someone on that ship... and then basically confirms it has something to do with Zoro's family as well.
Nothing about what Oda said there seems like he's trolling in the slightest. It's a baffling conclusion to draw from all of this.
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Do we have heights of Shimotsuki Yasuie and Shimotsuki Ushimaru? Even panels that could be used to make an educated guess would do.
Let's try something:
Let's try something:
- Most Wano males are huge (around 3 meters and above), exception seems to be Izo (who for some reason has regular height even though his brother/sister is huge)
- But Koshiro again, is of regular height (which was mentioned ad nauseum by many people during Koshiro/Kyoshiro fiasco)
- Shimotsukis are shorter than regular Wano citizens
- When Wano guys marry non-Wano people, the children are regular heights
- Wano's climate makes people taller, so when Kouzaburo went to EB, he made smaller children
- Oda is terrible with heights
Such as? 
- Why did Shimotsuki Kozaburo learnt Zoro "snatch"?
- Did Shimotsuki Kozaburo had another son/daughter besides Koshiro with Zoro being his/her son?
- If it's the case, how did Zoro end up alone if the only other descendant from Shimotsuki(Koshiro) had a unique child(Kuina)?
- Did Koshiro know Zoro was related to him?
Among many others. In other words, it makes Zoro's past even more mysterious, with Oda potentially expanding on that later on
Ryuma was normal height.
But your point 4 is the most salient one. It still makes absolutely no sense that Zoro can use Enma at all, given how big it should be.
For the height thing it's really just something Oda brought in as the series developed. He likes to make impressive characters larger than life (I think there's been an SBS or interview where he talks about this). Like, Shanks and Mihawk are tall, but chances are if they were introduced in later One Piece they'd be about eight foot.
But your point 4 is the most salient one. It still makes absolutely no sense that Zoro can use Enma at all, given how big it should be.
For the height thing it's really just something Oda brought in as the series developed. He likes to make impressive characters larger than life (I think there's been an SBS or interview where he talks about this). Like, Shanks and Mihawk are tall, but chances are if they were introduced in later One Piece they'd be about eight foot.
Huh? Wouldn't the secret backstory of a main character matter?
I mean luffy and his shit with dragon is going to matter.
Sanji and his shit with judge mattered.
Usopp and his shit with Yassop is definitely going to matter.
But you expect Zoro's backstory to be like one chapter and it never affects the story? Why? Why is it in the story if its so insignificant? Just so that we know what it is? Is that what Oda does? He adds things just so you know a thing without it mattering?
Okay let's compare things. For the last 60 chapters Zoro's connections to Wano have led to explaining Wado Ichimonji and Enma. See. Very minor stories that are just sparcely laid out result into very minor plot significance. If to sum up all of this stuff it would be like five pages of material MAX. Give pages led to the history of Zoro's swords.
Can you imagine FIVE PAGES of Zoro's backstory? Like we just break off from the story to keep referring to this even that takes five pages to explain Zoro's backstory. Like can you give an example of how this five page backstory would matter
I mean luffy and his shit with dragon is going to matter.
Sanji and his shit with judge mattered.
Usopp and his shit with Yassop is definitely going to matter.
But you expect Zoro's backstory to be like one chapter and it never affects the story? Why? Why is it in the story if its so insignificant? Just so that we know what it is? Is that what Oda does? He adds things just so you know a thing without it mattering?
Okay let's compare things. For the last 60 chapters Zoro's connections to Wano have led to explaining Wado Ichimonji and Enma. See. Very minor stories that are just sparcely laid out result into very minor plot significance. If to sum up all of this stuff it would be like five pages of material MAX. Give pages led to the history of Zoro's swords.
Can you imagine FIVE PAGES of Zoro's backstory? Like we just break off from the story to keep referring to this even that takes five pages to explain Zoro's backstory. Like can you give an example of how this five page backstory would matter
Right Zoro got Ryuma’s sword and then the sword of Ryuma’s descendants (Kuina and Koushiro)
That is interesting isn't it. Zoro always gets these famous swords from other people's famous families. Ipponmatsu says Yubashiri was a family sword and he was waiting for a true swordsman to give it to. Enma was given to the Kouzuki family and was passes on to Hiyori and then Hiyori passed it to Zoro. Sandai Kitetsu was made by Tenguyama and Nidai kit made by his ancestor and they are all family heirlooms and they are all Going to Zoro.
So that's FOUR DIFFERENT FAMILIES. Why is Zoro supposed to be From a single of them if the clear theme here is that people give their family belongings to him specifically IN SPITE of him big from said families.
See there are themes Oda is setting up. But you guys are too focused on this cliche story beat for some reason as if Oda can't write anything better.
You literally just identified a pattern but you came in with this preconceived notion that it has to be this lineage thing and you probably didn't notice that it's been repeated outside this one family right?
That is interesting isn't it. Zoro always gets these famous swords from other people's famous families. Ipponmatsu says Yubashiri was a family sword and he was waiting for a true swordsman to give it to. Enma was given to the Kouzuki family and was passes on to Hiyori and then Hiyori passed it to Zoro. Sandai Kitetsu was made by Tenguyama and Nidai kit made by his ancestor and they are all family heirlooms and they are all Going to Zoro.
So that's FOUR DIFFERENT FAMILIES. Why is Zoro supposed to be From a single of them if the clear theme here is that people give their family belongings to him specifically IN SPITE of him big from said families.
See there are themes Oda is setting up. But you guys are too focused on this cliche story beat for some reason as if Oda can't write anything better.
You literally just identified a pattern but you came in with this preconceived notion that it has to be this lineage thing and you probably didn't notice that it's been repeated outside this one family right?
Well, it would give us more information about Zoro but what changes? It wont cause additional Yonko arc like Vinsmokes did.
The best we could hope for is Zoro avenging the death of his possible father(Ushimaru) by defeating his murderer (King/Kaido) who he was going to fight anyway regardless if he has ties to Shimotsukis or not.
I dont know how it could affect the story. At best he could be offered the position of a Daimyo which he wont accept until he accomplished his WSS dream. I already made a theory of Zoro Shogun long before I thought he could be a Shimotsuki, solely based on samurai being impressed by his skill as a man worthy following(which Ashura complained about that there are no samurai worth following).
Well, I expect more than five pages total once arc is completed but I dont expect anything major since Oda said it would be minor thing.
We will move on from Wano the same, regardless if Zoro is connected to Shimotsuki's or not.
The best we could hope for is Zoro avenging the death of his possible father(Ushimaru) by defeating his murderer (King/Kaido) who he was going to fight anyway regardless if he has ties to Shimotsukis or not.
I dont know how it could affect the story. At best he could be offered the position of a Daimyo which he wont accept until he accomplished his WSS dream. I already made a theory of Zoro Shogun long before I thought he could be a Shimotsuki, solely based on samurai being impressed by his skill as a man worthy following(which Ashura complained about that there are no samurai worth following).
Well, I expect more than five pages total once arc is completed but I dont expect anything major since Oda said it would be minor thing.
We will move on from Wano the same, regardless if Zoro is connected to Shimotsuki's or not.