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[God Buggy]

@God Buggy during the beginning of western Zhao campaign and Shukai plains, Ousen > Riboku while at Atsuyou, Gian and the situation currently Riboku > Ousen.

For what regards the western Zhao arc, I'd say Ousen was better in terms of grand vision, overall. His plan with Gyou made in like 12 hours, which fooled Riboku, the supply stuff. Though for the supply war, time was lost on the Zhao side so I think it's unclear who would have ultimately suceeded there.

But yeah grand vision wise, I give Ousen the edge there.

In the battle of the Shukai plains Riboku was better, as Ousen said.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

I gotta love how Riboku is apparently a loser for making certain to secure his victories by having every card possible stacked in his favour but everybody else that makes use of strong subordinates is just fine.

Nobody dunks on Ousen for relying on Shin, Ouhon and Mouten to secure his victory at Shukai Plains but god forbid that Riboku uses martial beasts to do martial beast stuff. Lel.

Lol Riboku had a great general in that war under his command. Plus two decorated Generals under his command. Imagine trying to compare 3 non general commanders to 2 full class generals plus 1 great general

 

[Monet]

Nobody dunks on Ousen for relying on those three though.

ousen role is shokai is the worst thing it damaged him more than it gave him feats .

ousen only good in grand strategy for the campaing

 

[God Buggy]

ousen only good in grand strategy for the campaing

He's not lol. He's also a damn lethal strategist in the battle. Riboku (another genius) just happened to be even better.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I gotta love how Riboku is apparently a loser for making certain to secure his victories by having every card possible stacked in his favour but everybody else that makes use of strong subordinates is just fine.

Nobody dunks on Ousen for relying on Shin, Ouhon and Mouten to secure his victory at Shukai Plains but god forbid that Riboku uses martial beasts to do martial beast stuff. Lel.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for the Kingdom fandom on WorstGen as of late, can’t lie. The amount of straight up stupidity posted in this subforum over the past few weeks is Unbefitting of such a high IQ manga lol.

But yeah, Renpa master minds defeating Mougou by having himself, Rinko, and Kaishibou all crash down on Mougou’s HQ at the same time, but you never see people saying garbage like “Renpa is such a loser, he needs two of his Heavenly Kings to defeat Mougou,” nah, all the rhetoric on Renpa is how overpowered he is and how he’s such a dominant General and all this stuff.

Then Riboku separates the entire Qin army into 4 different pieces (Yotanwa stuck in southern Zhao, the Qin reinforcement army reduced to 25% of its power, Ousen straight up stalled out at Atsuyo, and now Kanki alone vs 300K+), but apparently Riboku is a “loser” for bringing in Shibashou to defeat one of the Qin 6 lol.

This fandom needs to do better.

 

[Owl Ki]

It also Doesn’t changes the fact that without Riboku pulling his forces from the battle to save Gyou all those contributions of Shin and co. Would’ve meant no sh*t. And Gyou wouldn’t have needed saving if not for Ousen’s 12 dimensional checker move before the battle even begun. So… there’s that.

And Ousen would never have lived to see his campaign strategy come to fruition if those three didn't save the Qin side multiple times in that battle.

Hell, just remove Mouten and Ousen's entire Left Wing would be gone.... and it was Mouten alone who fixed that.

Lol Riboku had a great general in that war under his command.

What, you mean Houken?

Plus two decorated Generals under his command. Imagine trying to compare 3 non general commanders to 2 full class generals plus 1 great general

Removing a lot of context here, especially when Ouhon and Shin would have been Generals already by then if it wasn't for Tou's intervention for the former and Shin being punished for killing Kanki's soldiers for the latter.

Those three "non-generals" are superior to the majority of Generals in the manga.

 

[SakazOuki]

I’ve lost a lot of respect for the Kingdom fandom on WorstGen as of late, can’t lie. The amount of straight up stupidity posted in this subforum over the past few weeks is Unbefitting of such a high IQ manga lol.

But yeah, Renpa master minds defeating Mougou by having himself, Rinko, and Kaishibou all crash down on Mougou’s HQ at the same time, but you never see people saying garbage like “Renpa is such a loser, he needs two of his Heavenly Kings to defeat Mougou,” nah, all the rhetoric on Renpa is how overpowered he is and how he’s such a dominant General and all this stuff.

Then Riboku separates the entire Qin army into 4 different pieces (Yotanwa stuck in southern Zhao, the Qin reinforcement army reduced to 25% of its power, Ousen straight up stalled out at Atsuyo, and now Kanki alone vs 300K+), but apparently Riboku is a “loser” for bringing in Shibashou to defeat one of the Qin 6 lol.

This fandom needs to do better.

Riboku deployed more than 50% of those

 

[Dark Admiral]

ousen role is shokai is the worst thing it damaged him more than it gave him feats .

ousen only good in grand strategy for the campaing

Lol, just kidding.
Ousen literally planned everything ahead of time. He read and countered Riboku’s tactics with origin which was possibly the biggest move Riboku had up his sleeve. He not only dismantled Zhao’s formation he also managed to make a perfect counter formation from his army while fending off Zhao.
he knew the army needed to be awakened thus he pushed them to their limits which is why many think he did nothing. He did nothing cause that’s exactly what was needed to be done in such scenario.

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I’ve lost a lot of respect for the Kingdom fandom on WorstGen as of late, can’t lie. The amount of straight up stupidity posted in this subforum over the past few weeks is Unbefitting of such a high IQ manga lol.

But yeah, Renpa master minds defeating Mougou by having himself, Rinko, and Kaishibou all crash down on Mougou’s HQ at the same time, but you never see people saying garbage like “Renpa is such a loser, he needs two of his Heavenly Kings to defeat Mougou,” nah, all the rhetoric on Renpa is how overpowered he is and how he’s such a dominant General and all this stuff.

Then Riboku separates the entire Qin army into 4 different pieces (Yotanwa stuck in southern Zhao, the Qin reinforcement army reduced to 25% of its power, Ousen straight up stalled out at Atsuyo, and now Kanki alone vs 300K+), but apparently Riboku is a “loser” for bringing in Shibashou to defeat one of the Qin 6 lol.

This fandom needs to do better.

The Heavenly Kings are what’s make Renpa who he is today. They’re part of his natural army just like akou, denrimi are for Ousen. Rinko is called the flying spear of Renpa ffs. So it makes your Renpa arguement invalid.
Riboku isn’t loser for brining out sBS, he did great in thinning down the Qin army. it’s just that with the advantage of numbers as such one wouldn’t expect a GG (a greatest of all china) like him to pull a sneaky move like that.

 

[Owl Ki]

I’ve lost a lot of respect for the Kingdom fandom on WorstGen as of late, can’t lie. The amount of straight up stupidity posted in this subforum over the past few weeks is Unbefitting of such a high IQ manga lol.

But yeah, Renpa master minds defeating Mougou by having himself, Rinko, and Kaishibou all crash down on Mougou’s HQ at the same time, but you never see people saying garbage like “Renpa is such a loser, he needs two of his Heavenly Kings to defeat Mougou,” nah, all the rhetoric on Renpa is how overpowered he is and how he’s such a dominant General and all this stuff.

Then Riboku separates the entire Qin army into 4 different pieces (Yotanwa stuck in southern Zhao, the Qin reinforcement army reduced to 25% of its power, Ousen straight up stalled out at Atsuyo, and now Kanki alone vs 300K+), but apparently Riboku is a “loser” for bringing in Shibashou to defeat one of the Qin 6 lol.

This fandom needs to do better.

Come to think of it, haven't most Legendary Great General deaths in this manga usually involved two Great Generals to end them?

1) Gokei: Ouki and Duke Hyou.
2) Ouki: Riboku and Houken.
3) Gekishin: Riboku and Houken
4) Duke Hyou: Riboku and Houken.

It reminds me of what I said to Ndule about the Shiki fight.

Did it specifically require two Admirals to take down Shiki or is it just generally smarter thing to have two top tiers take down another top tier?

In any given scenario, one top tier could take down another top in a 1v1 but since both are top tiers it will be an extremely close fight, we're likely talking 50/50 here in most cases.

With two top tiers against another top tier in 2v1 match the duo is bound to win.

So it didn't need two Admirals to defeat Shiki, it needed two Admirals to guarantee 100% victory instead of 50% victory.

Sure, Riboku could go out of his way by arbitrarily making it a fair fight but that would be utterly brain dead of him. He could only bring himself as the sole Great General but if there is another around to help, why the feck wouldn't he bring him?

Why the feck would anybody choose to not use the advantages on their side?

I swear this fandom ejects it's collective brain from it's skull when it comes to certain characters.

 

[God Buggy]

Why the feck would anybody choose to not use the advantages on their side

The scariest part of Riboku is exactly his insanely good pre battle planning that can put the opponent in a terrible spot to begin with.

Each state has plenty of resources at its disposal but utilizing them as effectively as Riboku does is a whole different thing.

 

[Owl Ki]

Riboku isn’t loser for brining out sBS, he did great in thinning down the Qin army. it’s just that with the advantage of numbers as such one wouldn’t expect a GG (a greatest of all china) like him to pull a sneaky move like that.

"Sneaky" is Riboku's entire modus operandi. It is precisely what makes him so dangerous.

Spoiler: Chapter 176

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Kingdom-chapter-176-page-9.html

 

[SakazOuki]

I promise I'll make a Giga hate thread for Riboku, I shall pour 7 years of hatred into one thread.
Bayou remembers

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

The Heavenly Kings are what’s make Renpa who he is today. They’re part of his natural army just like akou, denrimi are for Ousen. Rinko is called the flying spear of Renpa ffs. So it makes your Renpa arguement invalid.

My Renpa argument was not a serious argument, it was designed to show the hypocrisy of people who disrespect Riboku for the dumbest of reasons.

Riboku isn’t loser for brining out sBS, he did great in thinning down the Qin army. it’s just that with the advantage of numbers as such one wouldn’t expect a GG (a greatest of all china) like him to pull a sneaky move like that.

I absolutely would expect Riboku not to underestimate Kanki and to crush him with overwhelming force to ensure victory. That is not something out of character for him at all, and it is dumb to expect Riboku not to command optimally for the sake of pride, when Riboku’s character is above that sort of childish nonsense.

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I promise I'll make a Giga hate thread for Riboku, I shall pour 7 years of hatred into one thread.
Bayou remembers

I am disappointed. Lol

 

[SakazOuki]

I am disappointed. Lol

I'm not joking when I tell you Ouki's death is the only thing in fiction that made me shed a tear
My previous names on MF forum were: Ouki, Bouki, OukiDouki, SakazOuki, Saibakain07ki, ItsAllOuki

 

[God Buggy]

SakazOuki

Omg, 11/10 name.

 

[Monet]

translated by saemoon.

Image 1 page 39
Riboku Aide 1: What… The Kanki army that was starting to stop has once again started moving fiercely!
Riboku Aide 2: The wall is being overwhelmed with their pressure!
Riboku Aide 1: Riboku-sama, the Bananji Army that is waiting in reserve on the left, if we were to send them to reinforce the left wall, they would just make it! Riboku-sama!

Image 2 page 40-41
Futei: What are you doing? Are you not moving the Bananji Army?
Kaine: Riboku-sama…
Kaine Soldier: That looks bad.
Zhao Soldier: It’s Kanki! Kanki is here!
Kanki: You’re in the way.
Maron: We can do it. Like this, we can do it!

Editor note : Trapped on a field prepared by Riboku, the Kanki Army devises its withdrawal. Across this battlefield at twilight, a roar reverberates.

wankiiiiiiiiiii

it seems the chapter didn't advance much but still good

so there's a small clash before the sunset ,, hmm intersting
let's see what this leads to

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I'm not joking when I tell you Ouki's death is the only thing in fiction that made me shed a tear
My previous names on MF forum were: Ouki, Bouki, OukiDouki, SakazOuki, Saibakain07ki, ItsAllOuki

But honestly, would we remember Ouki as the gigachad that he was if not for how glorious his death and final moments were?

When Ouki realized he was checkmated and staring death in the face, this is where he showed his gloriousness

 

[SakazOuki]

But honestly, would we remember Ouki as the gigachad that he was if not for how glorious his death and final moments were?

When Ouki realized he was checkmated and staring death in the face, this is where he showed his gloriousness

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Omg, 11/10 name.

I'm going for this one, but Pantheos is nowhere to be found

 

[Monet]

Lol, just kidding.
Ousen literally planned everything ahead of time. He read and countered Riboku’s tactics with origin which was possibly the biggest move Riboku had up his sleeve. He not only dismantled Zhao’s formation he also managed to make a perfect counter formation from his army while fending off Zhao.
he knew the army needed to be awakened thus he pushed them to their limits which is why many think he did nothing. He did nothing cause that’s exactly what was needed to be done in such scenario.

nah i will not say he knew about the awaking cuz this is like he is the writer
even tho he didn't say or hint anything about it .

so ousen in shokai did a little staff in the center but the most 90% part qin won cuz of the trio alone

you can see how bad he is when things got worse at the end of the battle he stood doing nothing just complaining about his son

He's not lol. He's also a damn lethal strategist in the battle. Riboku (another genius) just happened to be even better.

ofc is he not fodder or like heki
but in shokai he was underwhelming

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I'm not joking when I tell you Ouki's death is the only thing in fiction that made me shed a tear
My previous names on MF forum were: Ouki, Bouki, OukiDouki, SakazOuki, Saibakain07ki, ItsAllOuki

for me Ouki death >>>> WB death
you will notice this after rereading kingdom .

 

[Jailer]

Don't known Riboku can look bad. This arc he outplayed both Ousen and Shouheikun, put a Qin Six in such a desperate situation that he's literally trying to escape and the whole thing will end up as a huge defeat for Qin.

That being said, after this blow I expect some countermove from Ousen in the future. Who knows what those eyes see and what are the machinations inside that brain are.

Well if Kanki can escape then that could set off Riboku's plan, depending how they regroup