Character Discussion Why Sanji has more self respect as a fighter than Zoro, without even having fight oriented dream?

Who has more self respect for their strength?


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#21
If you think about it, the road to X is unfair since the start.

There are a very few number of CoC users. If you're not born with it, tough luck kids, you won't reach that premium dreams such as Pirate King. Even if you can, you need to pay so much more.
 
#23
This is straight away nonsense......what is strength related goal has anything to do with using graded swords....Zoro wants to become WSS....using swords is just means to fight...besides, not everyone can wield graded swords...you have to have what it takes in you to wield that power...and it is not like those graded swords are top graded swords...he can further upgrade the sword by making them black....
 
#29
Zoro gets an unfair advantage to his road to WSS compared to his other rivals (whoever they are).
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Shit tier writing of Oda about all the things related to swordsmen.

I don't fully agree with it (about the grade swords part). Luck is part of strength as well. He after all decided to follow a random dumbass with a strawhat to the unknown. Ofc that dumbass is the MC and that itself is an advantage, but many others didn't try to go that unknown. He searched his own luck and got new swords. And those swords are not that impressive, not now if we compare them with Enma at least. It's not like he started cutting others swords in half in the first clash prior to Haki anyway.
Here what Oda could have done is explore more rivals for this title (and they will automatically get graded swords as well), and he didn't.
But the true solution would have been to not make any WSS title and Mihawk from the start and Zoro to be someone who simply wants to hone his strength and reach his peak, which will make these things a non problem.

Enma on the other hand, is clearly different from the other graded swords until now. It had double function, speed up his training by forcing Zoro to adapt to it (like a time chamber in DB) and by releasing a greater amount of Haki at once than Zoro would be able to do without it.
Or even 3 functions, since it forced Zoro to learn in 1 second AdvCoC as well.
This sword should have stayed as a normal graded sword like in Oden's flashback with that chance to be upgraded by coating it permanently, which would have made it simply more tough.

Btw, you forgot about Conqueror's.
Since this Haki boosts Attack Power by coating your weapons/fists/whatever with it, it's an advantage over other rivals with same fightning style but without this Haki.
Now Mihawk should have this Haki, otherwise Zoro will win because he earned the lottery from birth. And other candidates for this title, forget it, even if they exist, they won't have it which put them at disadvante right from the start.

Sanji is simply a much more complete and developed character :kayneshrug:
 
#33
Enma ruins everything. I hate this fucking sword, everything from it being held by Oden before to it being a sword with a unique ability.

I don't mind the concept of the cursed swords so if Zoro was just swapping between Kitetsus it would be okay. Enma is a trash sword and I hate every minute of Zoro using it, especially since at some point Oda wanked it more than the character that wields it.

Zoro's road to WSS is fraudulent for a long time, not only during Wano because of Enma.

Man hadn't fought fucking swordsman that is competent post timeskip. Zoro's biggest fight in the entire series is a fucking ptero karate kid with no advanced Haki forms for god sake...

It should've been Nobunaga shit. No Orochi or anything.
Ong. Just because you're aiming to be WSS doesn't mean you gotta use your sword as a crutch. I miss when Zoro had to be skilled at sword fighting and had to find out new techniques and what not to beat opponents. Now he's getting carried hard by that god sword and it's sad.
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sanji showing his self respect by backpedalling on his words and using the powerup he hates :zosmug:
Luffy is the only one in the monster trio who can throw down with the top tiers of the verse without a huge power up which in this case gear fifth. Yeah he'd still lose against Kaidou without it ( maybe, although perhaps he could still use Bajrang Gun as it's technically just like a gear third or fourth attack ) but he's proven capable of giving him tons of smoke anyway
 
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#35
Sora sacrificed herself so sanji wouldnt become a germa.
Sanji uses raid suit 3 times and accepts the germa powers he supposedly hated so he could win.
Also breaking his "only uses legs" code by using the raid suit and germa powers.
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Sanji destroying the raid suit after it had already given him all the powers is like an athlete stepping on the empty box after he already used all the steroids in it.
 
#36
Sora sacrificed herself so sanji wouldnt become a germa.
Sanji uses raid suit 3 times and accepts the germa powers he supposedly hated so he could win.
Also breaking his "only uses legs" code by using the raid suit and germa powers.
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Sanji destroying the raid suit after it had already given him all the powers is like an athlete stepping on the empty box after he already used all the steroids in it.
:suresure:Truly Lanji Cucksmoke
 
#37
“I will not use the RS”

Immediately uses the RS three times in quick succession, giving himself a broken powerup and only gets rid of it because of a mistake

Such self-respect
Yeah? He actually doesn't like using it and actually destroyed it
When did Zoro ever destroy a magic sword and decided to use his own strength?


Sanji destroying the raid suit after it had already given him all the powers is like an athlete stepping on the empty box after he already used all the steroids in it.
Except genes were never part of Raid Suit powers, it just awakened what was already there
and Raid Suit itself still gives a huge power up. Based on how much Queen talked about Raid Suit and how little of exoskelleton, Raid Suit was still a way bigger buff than gene awakening.

Meanwhile Zolo doesn't have a self respect to throw his swords away and actually reach his goal through his own strength like others do. He keeps looking for magic swords and kneeling to WSS men to teach him.
 
#38
Imagine thinking you're cheating at the gym because you got better training equipment.
Might as well say Zoro should've restricted himself to using wooden swords otherwise he's taking the easy path :gokulaugh:
I don’t mind Zoro’s upgraded swords either, but until it became magic haki shit with Enma , it kinda feels cheap. Normal swords can’t do that shit or most of the grade swords. If being the best meant having a legendary magic sword that puts you slightly above against another swordsman, I dunno feels cheap and that’s Oda’s fault in a way, less about critiquing Zoro the character. Better equipment is not the same as just plain magic equipment nobody else has, and yet you’re the best? It just leaves speculation tbh
 

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#39
Yeah? He actually doesn't like using it and actually destroyed it
When did Zoro ever destroy a magic sword and decided to use his own strength?



Except genes were never part of Raid Suit powers, it just awakened what was already there
and Raid Suit itself still gives a huge power up. Based on how much Queen talked about Raid Suit and how little of exoskelleton, Raid Suit was still a way bigger buff than gene awakening.

Meanwhile Zolo doesn't have a self respect to throw his swords away and actually reach his goal through his own strength like others do. He keeps looking for magic swords and kneeling to WSS men to teach him.
And yet he used it when it benefitted him no problem.
Zoro is a swordsman he was one from day 1 a swordsman uses swords duh so yur coping about it cause it helped him unlock advcoc doesnt work here.
Sanji changed from a physical fighter to a lab rat fighter in only a few chapters. And he also made his mother sacrifice almost entirely meaningless.
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Imagine thinking you're cheating at the gym because you got better training equipment.
Might as well say Zoro should've restricted himself to using wooden swords otherwise he's taking the easy path :gokulaugh:
They try so hard to shit on Zoro but it doesnt even make sense:kobeha:
 
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