Questions & Mysteries Why do you just assume Sanji defeated Page One?

[nik87]

if page one wasn't defeated then where he was hiding for 2 weeks

In the same place where other Flying Six spend their time?

Actually we didn't. That could be Hawkins

Could be Hawkins but also not judging by Toei's spoiler.

 

[Jackteo]

if page one wasn't defeated then where he was hiding for 2 weeks

How could i forgot something like this?
That's why I'm not ready to make up for your absence

 

[pedxi]

In the same place where other Flying Six spend their time?

Could be Hawkins but also not judging by Toei's spoiler.

NVM he was hiding from Sanji just like Zoro hiding from Kyoshiro
he was sent to eliminate Sanji just like Drake
we saw Drake but there was no P1😢

 

[PuckTheGreat]

1. Did we see the outcome of Sanji vs. Page1? Yes or No.
2. Is Page1 currently in the Tobi Roppo? Yes or No.

You keep building up narratives that doesn't exist. You were supposed to be a reputed poster who I respected very much. But since yesterday, you keep trying to fortify half-baked conjecture like:

1. We don't know if Page1 is still there
2. Page1 has been replaced
3. Page1 was defeated because he wasn't killed by Drake (him killing Page1 makes a lot of sense to you?!!)
4. Sanji kept his words and defeated Page1 but he recovered (this is the only palatable one)

All the while ignoring the facts that:

1. We never saw the outcome of the fight
2. The anime (even if it is not canon) decided to show that the outcome was Sanji leaving without Page1 being hurt (your insistence to ignore it is unfathomable since you are only making conjecture yourself)
3. All six Tobi Roppo are at the Banquet
4. One of the Tobi Roppo has similarities with Page1

I would be happy to say that I was wrong if in the next chapter we see:

1. No Page1
2. Injured Page1
3. Tobi Roppo complaining to Kaido about O-Soba Mask (which is a possibility since they are demanding an audience, obviously they are there to complain)
4. Page1 saying that Sanji was tough

But for now, the evidence is stacked against you and you are acting like a sore loser.

(I wanted to reply in the spoiler thread, but it was locked).

You yourself are not sure whether you are right or wrong and are saying we will confirm next chapter but then call me a sore loser? What exactly have I lost?😓

You say I am making up fake narratives but I don't think I’ve made any unreasonable claims.

Honestly it’s getting a bit tiring saying this over & over again but for the last time let’s lay down what we know again.

- We know that the trio of P1, Drake & Hawkins came looking Sanji.
- We know that Sanji engaged one of them (P1 ) with the intention of taking him out and we also kno Sanji was dominating him in the fight.
- The town is getting wrecked as such Sanji says he has to finish the fight quickly and then we see Sanji fly up to the sky and then land a devastating kick on P1. After which we get cut off from the fight.
- We know that after the fight only 2 of the 3 pursuers (I.e. Drake & Hawkins) continued the search for Sanji and P1 is MIA.

Now from the aforementioned sequence of events, I think there’s strong reason to believe that Sanji took out P1 like he said he would as P1 was MIA for a whole two weeks after their fight. Fast forward to the current chapter & P1 has seemingly returned. The counter-argument presented against Sanji having beaten P1 was that Drake killed him but with P1 being currently alive that possibility has been eliminated. So now if Sanji didn’t beat P1 how would you justify hIm
being MIA for 2 weeks till now? You seem to think P1 wasn’t defeated but burden on proof is on you to justify that not me.

Also you can laugh off the notion of Drake having killed P1 all you want but whether you believe it or not, that was actually a ting.

Lastly, yes it is a fact that all six of the Tobi Roppo are currently gathered on Onigashima so chances are P1 is part of the six. However, we only got shots of their shoes lolz so we can’t confirm whether he’s indeed part of the group or not. Page 1 is an ancient zoan so it’s possible that he’s already recovered since the Sanji fight even if he was defeated given how much time has passed provided Sanji didn’t kill him. However, I find it a bit odd that P1 is still battle able when Oda wrote Sanji to say he’d be weakening Kaidou's forces so I think there’s a possibility that he’s been replaced by some else. Keep in mind that the Tobi Roppo are stated to be the top 6 headliners under Kaidou so if Page 1 got defeated, I think there’s a case for him having been replaced. If Page 1 is revealed to be part of the Flying six on Onigashima, I’ll acknowledge that I was wrong about him not making another appearance in the future but currently I think there’s still a possibility that he might not be.

 

[MD Zolo]

You yourself are not sure whether you are right or wrong and are saying we will confirm next chapter but then call me a sore loser? What exactly have I lost?😓

You say I am making up fake narratives but I don't think I’ve made any unreasonable claims.

Honestly it’s getting a bit tiring saying this over & over again but for the last time let’s lay down what we know again.

- We know that the trio of P1, Drake & Hawkins came looking Sanji.
- We know that Sanji engaged one of them (P1 ) with the intention of taking him out and we also kno Sanji was dominating him in the fight.
- The town is getting wrecked as such Sanji says he has to finish the fight quickly and then we see Sanji fly up to the sky and then land a devastating kick on P1. After which we get cut off from the fight.
- We know that after the fight only 2 of the 3 pursuers (I.e. Drake & Hawkins) continued the search for Sanji and P1 is MIA.

Now from the aforementioned sequence of events, I think there’s strong reason to believe that Sanji took out P1 like he said he would as P1 was MIA for a whole two weeks after their fight. Fast forward to the current chapter & P1 has seemingly returned. The counter-argument presented against Sanji having beaten P1 was that Drake killed him but with P1 being currently alive that possibility has been eliminated. So now if Sanji didn’t beat P1 how would you justify hIm
being MIA for 2 weeks till now? You seem to think P1 wasn’t defeated but burden on proof is on you to justify that not me.

Also you can laugh off the notion of Drake having killed P1 all you want but whether you believe it or not, that was actually a ting.

Lastly, yes it is a fact that all six of the Tobi Roppo are currently gathered on Onigashima so chances are P1 is part of the six. However, we only got shots of their shoes lolz so we can’t confirm whether he’s indeed part of the group or not. Page 1 is an ancient zoan so it’s possible that he’s already recovered since the Sanji fight even if he was defeated given how much time has passed provided Sanji didn’t kill him. However, I find it a bit odd that P1 is still battle able when Oda wrote Sanji to say he’d be weakening Kaidou's forces so I think there’s a possibility that he’s been replaced by some else. Keep in mind that the Tobi Roppo are stated to be the top 6 headliners under Kaidou so if Page 1 got defeated, I think there’s a case for him having been replaced. If Page 1 is revealed to be part of the Flying six on Onigashima, I’ll acknowledge that I was wrong about him not making another appearance in the future but currently I think there’s still a possibility that he might not be.

At this point, there is no point in talking to you. You keep making circumstantial evidences when we have more concrete evidence to go on. So, I will make my case once more and then I am done.

If we had to compare between your assumptions and mine, mine would be more solid solely because yours are circumstantial assumptions.

For example, your logic is that since Page1 wasn't with Drake and Hawkins after the fight, he must've been defeated. This is an assumption. This is not a proof. Whereas, the pleasure saying that all six Tobi Roppo is here is a proof that all six Tobi Roppo is there. Secondly, the legs of one the Tobi Roppo does match Page1's when Oda made sure that every pair of legs he showed were distinct. Now this one is not a very good logic. So let's go over the third one. Who is able to promote or demote someone in Tobi Roppo?! Either the calamities or Kaido himself. Yet, they seem unconcerned.

Now, since you are talking about why Oda would make Sanji say something and not make it true, then let's talk as to why Oda would design Page1 only to discard him after 1 chapter and then design a replacement (we know it's not Hawkins).

The only, and I mean the only logic that is acceptable is that Page1 recovered. Which is a fine logic by itself. And it is something I am willing to back up. But then why are you so against the anime's conclusion? Do you know more than them? No. Do you have a more acceptable alternative? No.

So, have you made unreasonable claims? No. But have you made claims that are less likely? Definitely. So, Have I made unreasonable claims? Have I made claims that are less likely than yours?

Finally, I am willing to say that there are possibilities that Sanji did defeat Page1. But you are not willing to accept that there are possibilities Sanji didn't defeat Page1.

For all of my bias, I am trying to be as objective as I can. Nobody can deny that Sanji dominated the fight. But you have not even tried to be objective. You are just trying to make a narrative where Sanji won.

So, who is being a sore loser?!

Good day to you Sir. We won't be talking about this again.

 

[Lunaria]

I don’t think it really matters anyway, defeating Page One was a secondary goal and that was before Sanji realized how tough he was. His priority was to protect the town, that’s why he came back and fought Page One.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

At this point, there is no point in talking to you. You keep making circumstantial evidences when we have more concrete evidence to go on. So, I will make my case once more and then I am done.

If we had to compare between your assumptions and mine, mine would be more solid solely because yours are circumstantial assumptions.

For example, your logic is that since Page1 wasn't with Drake and Hawkins after the fight, he must've been defeated. This is an assumption. This is not a proof. Whereas, the pleasure saying that all six Tobi Roppo is here is a proof that all six Tobi Roppo is there. Secondly, the legs of one the Tobi Roppo does match Page1's when Oda made sure that every pair of legs he showed were distinct. Now this one is not a very good logic. So let's go over the third one. Who is able to promote or demote someone in Tobi Roppo?! Either the calamities or Kaido himself. Yet, they seem unconcerned.

Now, since you are talking about why Oda would make Sanji say something and not make it true, then let's talk as to why Oda would design Page1 only to discard him after 1 chapter and then design a replacement (we know it's not Hawkins).

The only, and I mean the only logic that is acceptable is that Page1 recovered. Which is a fine logic by itself. And it is something I am willing to back up. But then why are you so against the anime's conclusion? Do you know more than them? No. Do you have a more acceptable alternative? No.

So, have you made unreasonable claims? No. But have you made claims that are less likely? Definitely. So, Have I made unreasonable claims? Have I made claims that are less likely than yours?

Finally, I am willing to say that there are possibilities that Sanji did defeat Page1. But you are not willing to accept that there are possibilities Sanji didn't defeat Page1.

For all of my bias, I am trying to be as objective as I can. Nobody can deny that Sanji dominated the fight. But you have not even tried to be objective. You are just trying to make a narrative where Sanji won.

So, who is being a sore loser?!

Good day to you Sir. We won't be talking about this again.

Calm down, no need to make it personal and calling fellow fans sore losers.

If like you say, his evidence are only but circumstantial, is he not allowed to believe in it and have such an opinion?

The thing until it is completely confirmed by Oda, there's nothing concrete.There's only more likely n less likely scenario, so be easy on each other.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t see why Oda decided to bring him back. I don’t really see the point of his character.

I guess he’s probably just going to be hypetooled again for somebody. Perhaps sanji or one of the supernova

 

[BossYimz]

It´s a L for me as well, i imagined Oda would not degrade Sanji to this degree that he can´t accomplish such a simple task, you live and learn

It is not yet an L for you or Sanji. It would be if we get conclusive evidence that P1 is still part of flying 6

Personally am waiting for P1 to be shown on screen. Jumping to conclusions based on legs alone is not good.

Based on the anime, the inconclusive ending of the fight and the fact that all flying 6 are present and Kaido seems to be proud of them, it points to P1 being present and still part of the flying 6. That being said, I will wait to see P1 to conclusively say he has been taken out.

With the current odds it is more likely P1 is in the banquet with the other flying 6.

 

[kurwa]

But then why are you so against the anime's conclusion? Do you know more than them? No. Do you have a more acceptable alternative? No.

I think it's because :

1)How Toei can censor fights
Look how much blood is in One Piece and look how much Toei censors it.
Maybe the outcome of the fight was Page One surviving but all bloody.

2)Filler
They had to add a lot of filler to extend Page One vs Sanji
in manga Sanji does- 3 regular kicks
in anime Sanji does- probably over a 100 kicks

That+ censoring= Sanji looking weak

3)Removing canon material
We have seen Toei changing canon material and completely changing the whole meaning

For example:
Sanji vs Page One episode
In the manga Sanji transforms right in front of Page One on the ground
the next moment Sanji blitzes Page One right in front of his eyes to get on the roof and Page One couldn't tell how he did it.

In the anime he transforms mid air and just landing on the roof. Page One doesn't question how he did it.

This stuff alone proves that Toei can do whatever they want with the manga and doesn't adapt it 1:1

4)Oda telling stuff to anime staff
We have no idea what he told the anime staff

what if he said Page one will show up later in the manga and anime took it as Sanji didn't beat him?
maybe Oda said that page one survived the fight but didn't tell them his injuries.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

I think it's because :

1)How Toei can censor fights
Look how much blood is in One Piece and look how much Toei censors it.
Maybe the outcome of the fight was Page One surviving but all bloody.

2)Filler
They had to add a lot of filler to extend Page One vs Sanji
in manga Sanji does- 3 regular kicks
in anime Sanji does- probably over a 100 kicks

That+ censoring= Sanji looking weak

3)Removing canon material
We have seen Toei changing canon material and completely changing the whole meaning

For example:
Sanji vs Page One episode
In the manga Sanji transforms right in front of Page One on the ground
the next moment Sanji blitzes Page One right in front of his eyes to get on the roof and Page One couldn't tell how he did it.

In the anime he transforms mid air and just landing on the roof. Page One doesn't question how he did it.

This stuff alone proves that Toei can do whatever they want with the manga and doesn't adapt it 1:1

4)Oda telling stuff to anime staff
We have no idea what he told the anime staff

what if he said Page one will show up later in the manga and anime took it as Sanji didn't beat him?
maybe Oda said that page one survived the fight but didn't tell them his injuries.

None of the Flying 6 look injured. They look like they about to look clean next chapter

 

[kurwa]

None of the Flying 6 look injured. They look like they about to look clean next chapter

Cause like 2 weeks passed....

Luffy in few days healed his stomach that Katakuri impaled
People in One Piece recover from near death in few days

And Page One is an ancient zoan who have their stats boosted so his recovery is increased as well...
You act as if characters don't change dirty clothes after getting dirty....

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Cause like 2 weeks passed....

Luffy in few days healed his stomach that Katakuri impaled
People in One Piece recover from near death in few days

And Page One is an ancient zoan who have their stats boosted so his recovery is increased as well...
You act as if characters don't change dirty clothes after getting dirty....

Lol Sanji was surpose to take him out for the war. 😂😂😂😂 Stop it

 

[MD Zolo]

Maybe the outcome of the fight was Page One surviving but all bloody.

This is something I am willing to believe. Anime does censor things and Page1 being brutalized is something that is totally feasible.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

This is something I am willing to believe. Anime does censor things and Page1 being brutalized is something that is totally feasible.

Page 1 being a Ancient zoan and not taking that much damage from none diambe sanji kicks is also plausible.

 

[stealthblack]

Based on some idiots logic luffy never defeated anyone because they all recovered after the fight

 

[Hiragaro]

Why do you think him being defeated is the only way to explain his absence? Did it ever occur to you that he went back to wherever he was before the o-soba incident?

LOL, because he and drake were sent by Queen to eliminate Sanji. It was their Mission and they arrived together. Yet, after the fight we see Drake with Hawkins and P1 is nowhere seen.
Now the Question is why was Drake with Hawkins when his Mission was a completely different one from Hawkins? Drake even said that.

 

[kurwa]

Lol Sanji was surpose to take him out for the war. 😂😂😂😂 Stop it

Seems like you have no counter arguments except the emoji's, which don't do much for your argument.

Well Page One didn't show up right until the raid
so he couldn't interfere with alliance preparation

Unlike Hawkins, who Zolo fought and was unable to beat so was able to kidnap Law's crew and blackmail him.
Page One was out so he couldn't do that.

I have a question for you- did Zolo beat Killer if Killer showed up fine the next day?
Why wasn't Killer out for 3 weeks?
Is that an L for Zolo then?

 

[pedxi]

Sanji said i'll take care of this dude
and the dude was nowhere to be found
Why did page one abandon his mission but Drake was still looking for Sanji?
what happened to him?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Seems like you have no counter arguments except the emoji's, which don't do much for your argument.

Well Page One didn't show up right until the raid
so he couldn't interfere with alliance preparation

Unlike Hawkins, who Zolo fought and was unable to beat so was able to kidnap Law's crew and blackmail him.
Page One was out so he couldn't do that.

I have a question for you- did Zolo beat Killer if Killer showed up fine the next day?
Why wasn't Killer out for 3 weeks?
Is that an L for Zolo then?

Zoro never said he taking out Hawkins for the war. Sanji dod. He couldn't do it. Get over it.