General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Diamond]

Death is something i didnt consider, and it might just be the solution for a post Wano roleless Law, but Luffy is not letting anyone die again, that is something Law can forget about the moment they became friends.

And i agree hes not really a SH, and he wont follow them around in his submarine with his 20 men strong irrelevant fodder crew (atleast i think and hope so), which is why i struggle to find a place for him. He seems like hed be the least of a missfit on the Sunny. If his goal is One Piece, with the knowledge he has about the SHP, poneglyphs, he must know that he has no chance of getting there on his own.

I consider Law to be the better candidate for nakama right now. I've even been looking for a character to counter to his potential, and the closest I've got is Kinemon. However, Strawhat characters often have similarities or patterns they follow, take for example Nami and Robin. They both joined in a certain way namely they joined first, betrayed the crew, and then rejoined after we got some backstory and Luffy defeated the obstacle to save them. Jinbe has had a long road to become a Strawhat, and yet Law fits it to a weird degree. I can't easily explain though since the pattern is massive and spans arcs. I'll make a quick outline with a few notes at the end to try to show it. Take from it what you will.

This outline is built from observable data. fyi.

Spoiler: Arc by Arc Outline

Saboandy
-Law introduced
-Captain of the Heart Pirates
-Introduced as a possible antagonist to Luffy, turns out to be good.

Impel Down
-Jinbe introduced
-Captain of the Sun Pirates
-Thought to be an antagonist to Luffy, turns out to be good.

Marineford
-Law and Jinbe both save Luffy's life thus forming a bond between them.

- TimeSkip/ Return to Saboandy -

Note: From here on out, every arc that features the Strawhats in the New World up until Wano will either have Jinbe or Law as a secondary character. If the arc has Jinbe, it will not have Law. If the arc has Law, it will not have Jinbe.

Fishman Island
-Jinbe becomes involved with Big Mom.
-Jinbe receives his backstory.
-Jinbe inherits the desire to mend relations with humans from Otohime.
-Luffy helps Jinbe and saves FI from Hody.
-Luffy asks Jinbe to join, but Jinbe has to politely refuse.
-Jinbe stays behind.

Punk hazard
-Law appears and has his personality slightly altered from Pre-TS.
-Law has become a warlord.
-Law forms an alliance with Luffy.

Dressrosa
-Law becomes an ex-warlord due to his involvement with Luffy.
-Luffy says Law "is going to be his nakama", causing Law to promptly flip out.
-Law receives his backstory.
-Law learns and becomes interested in the Will of D from Corazon.
-Luffy rescues Law and beats Doffy.
-Law enrages Kaido when he stops SMILE production.

Zou
-Law leaves for Wano.

Cake Island
-Jinbe returns
-Jinbe betrays and enrages Big Mom
-Jinbe joins Luffy's crew as a helmsman
-Jinbe is left out of the story for a bit

Wano
- Law returns
- Jinbe returns
- First reuniting of the two characters since Marineford.

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Jinbe/ Law Character redundancies:
Both captains
Both Ex-Warlords
Both monster trio tier in terms of power
Both saved Luffy from death
Luffy has expressed a desire to have them as nakama at some point
Both inherited a dream from a now deceased mentor
Both enraged a Yonkou (Big Mom/ Kaido)
Now in a showdown at Wano against Big Mom and Kaido

Strawhat redundancies
Jinbe - Chopper
-Both animals
-both want to be accepted by changing the minds of others
-both perceived as monsters

Law - Robin
- Survived genocide
- White Monster vs Devil Child
- Both have powerful paramecia fruits
- Both into fashion
- Both book smart
- Both are interested in a missing aspect of world history (void century vs kingdom of D)

Honestly the only mark against Law is the L character in his name which is why I ignored his potential initially. But... if Law is the last to join, then that means the StrawHat crew started with a stubborn captain who has the will of D, L(uffy), and will end with a stubborn captain who has the will of D, L(aw).

You know, Oda amazes me sometimes.

Of course that doesn't mean Oda has to follow that pattern, and Law might not be the final guy. The potential is sure there though. The end of Wano is going to be interesting!

P.S. I don't really see death flags for Law. The tragedy Oda mentioned is pretty vague and could refer to Kanjuro's betrayal. Oda sucks at death and killing off substantial characters anyway. If Law dies, I expect a blonde expy to acquire his fruit and become his replacement (sorry, Sabo). XD

 

[Walreyn]

Death is something i didnt consider, and it might just be the solution for a post Wano roleless Law, but Luffy is not letting anyone die again, that is something Law can forget about the moment they became friends.

And i agree hes not really a SH, and he wont follow them around in his submarine with his 20 men strong irrelevant fodder crew (atleast i think and hope so), which is why i struggle to find a place for him. He seems like hed be the least of a missfit on the Sunny. If his goal is One Piece, with the knowledge he has about the SHP, poneglyphs, he must know that he has no chance of getting there on his own.

law basically as per the recent chapter he s not roleless.

And his tactical wits was always vital.

As for his goals, it was portrayed way back in dressrosa that his goal was to really take down doflamingo. In the process he got in debt with.

His crew wont get the spotlight to get their chracters explained nor get their match up because one piece got more deeper chracters to use for ofc a more compelling storyline. Besides, all of his members are the ones he just helped along the way.

I dont think law has the serious goal of taking the one piece. He is not even portrayed as rival to luffy, but rather more of the crew's strong allies.

The way his character was creates, it is more to me that he s just there to witness how the great pirate era will end.

He's more like mihawk in that, treasures, power doesnt interests him. But he's interested at how the world will change. Afterall his part of the D lineage.

 

[Walreyn]

Peoples say "Carrot is perfect for Straw Hat Crew's lookout"
All those times she used binoculars on Sunny's top never showed it as something special in her that only her can bring for crew. That's one of Van Augur's roles in Blackbeard Pirates due his observation power:

https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/02/11/vivre-card-databook-vol-6-all-the-new-information/

I really like this argument. So if we need to have a lookout. He or she must do it in a far greater scheme than jumping up to the post and use binoculars

 

[Garp the Fist]

Law is Luffy's closest ally and someone that he does consider to be a crewmate (I think Luffy actually called him one on Dressrosa, which Law denied).

He won't join the crew though. He's just a bit too much for the Strawhats. Another D, another doctor, another Worst Gen member- he'd overshadow everyone else in the crew bar Luffy.

I really like this argument. So if we need to have a lookout. He or she must do it in a far greater scheme than jumping up to the post and use binoculars

Well, if the Blackbeard Pirate sniper acts as a lookout, might as well have the Strawhat sniper do the same.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Also, can't help but find the scene where Luffy's stops the cheers for Jinbei joining an odd one.

They've only done the "cheers for a new member joining" thing three times (Chopper, Franky and Brook, with the Franky one really being for Ussop and Robin as well given the arc it came after) but never with anyone other than the crew. It's came after the party with everyone else, when the ship is sailing away.

So I do wonder if Luffy is planning to invite someone else after Wano, and that's why he stopped it then. He was all ready to do it, then got reminded by Kin'emon- my personal bet for if someone joins, but it doesn't need to be him- that the rest of the alliance was there, then he changes his mind and decides it needs to be done later.

 

[Jrus]

BMP under Kata and Beast Pirates under Kaido's son will join the Grand Fleet

 

[dizzy2341]

Sanji and Brook wouldn't hug anything without a vagina, the dirty pervs. It wouldn't be in character for them to run and hug Jinbei

On the other hand, Carrot comes from a race who all invade people's personal space on a regular basis.

It's not the fact that they hugged which is important. It's that this is the first time in over half a decade that all the straw hats have finally been together in the same panel after years and years of separation.

Oda very easily could've just left Carrot out of THAT important panel and put her in a smaller one afterwards expressing her happiness at Jinbe's return. But he didn't, he lumped Carrot right in the middle of an important moment for the straw hat crew. A moment fans have been waiting 7 years for.

The fact that the full celebrations for Jinbe's joining have been postponed until after the battle certainly gives off the vibes that something else will happen. Like another member joining, for example.

Oda even said in an interview that the next nakamas would join consecutively. People tried to say that was in reference to the grand fleet, but they all joined simultaneously and are not even considered nakama in the exact same fashion as how Luffy and Oda refer to the crew.

Besides, being totally real, Wano's the last chance for someone to join the crew. The story is entering its final stretch. At least with Carrot we've known about her from all the way back in Zou and she's been with the crew, bonding consistently that entire time.

 

[Kurodiamondo]

I think the pattern will be like this :

Pre-grandline : 4
Grandline (paradise) : 4
New world : 4

So the 4 new crew after timeskip will represent some race : fishman (Jinbe), minks, birdfolk, someone from Wano/other race

After wano maybe we get 3 new crew at once. Here's my guess: Jinbe, Carrot still the best candidate who still alive/Pedro if he is somehow still alive, Tenguyama Hitetsu/King

 

[Date]

Dont think Law would become a subordinated to Luffy, the are rivals and will make, with Kid to, the future generation of great pirates

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

I consider Law to be the better candidate for nakama right now. I've even been looking for a character to counter to his potential, and the closest I've got is Kinemon. However, Strawhat characters often have similarities or patterns they follow, take for example Nami and Robin. They both joined in a certain way namely they joined first, betrayed the crew, and then rejoined after we got some backstory and Luffy defeated the obstacle to save them. Jinbe has had a long road to become a Strawhat, and yet Law fits it to a weird degree. I can't easily explain though since the pattern is massive and spans arcs. I'll make a quick outline with a few notes at the end to try to show it. Take from it what you will.

This outline is built from observable data. fyi.

Spoiler: Arc by Arc Outline

Saboandy
-Law introduced
-Captain of the Heart Pirates
-Introduced as a possible antagonist to Luffy, turns out to be good.

Impel Down
-Jinbe introduced
-Captain of the Sun Pirates
-Thought to be an antagonist to Luffy, turns out to be good.

Marineford
-Law and Jinbe both save Luffy's life thus forming a bond between them.

- TimeSkip/ Return to Saboandy -

Note: From here on out, every arc that features the Strawhats in the New World up until Wano will either have Jinbe or Law as a secondary character. If the arc has Jinbe, it will not have Law. If the arc has Law, it will not have Jinbe.

Fishman Island
-Jinbe becomes involved with Big Mom.
-Jinbe receives his backstory.
-Jinbe inherits the desire to mend relations with humans from Otohime.
-Luffy helps Jinbe and saves FI from Hody.
-Luffy asks Jinbe to join, but Jinbe has to politely refuse.
-Jinbe stays behind.

Punk hazard
-Law appears and has his personality slightly altered from Pre-TS.
-Law has become a warlord.
-Law forms an alliance with Luffy.

Dressrosa
-Law becomes an ex-warlord due to his involvement with Luffy.
-Luffy says Law "is going to be his nakama", causing Law to promptly flip out.
-Law receives his backstory.
-Law learns and becomes interested in the Will of D from Corazon.
-Luffy rescues Law and beats Doffy.
-Law enrages Kaido when he stops SMILE production.

Zou
-Law leaves for Wano.

Cake Island
-Jinbe returns
-Jinbe betrays and enrages Big Mom
-Jinbe joins Luffy's crew as a helmsman
-Jinbe is left out of the story for a bit

Wano
- Law returns
- Jinbe returns
- First reuniting of the two characters since Marineford.

-------------------------------------

Jinbe/ Law Character redundancies:
Both captains
Both Ex-Warlords
Both monster trio tier in terms of power
Both saved Luffy from death
Luffy has expressed a desire to have them as nakama at some point
Both inherited a dream from a now deceased mentor
Both enraged a Yonkou (Big Mom/ Kaido)
Now in a showdown at Wano against Big Mom and Kaido

Strawhat redundancies
Jinbe - Chopper
-Both animals
-both want to be accepted by changing the minds of others
-both perceived as monsters

Law - Robin
- Survived genocide
- White Monster vs Devil Child
- Both have powerful paramecia fruits
- Both into fashion
- Both book smart
- Both are interested in a missing aspect of world history (void century vs kingdom of D)

Honestly the only mark against Law is the L character in his name which is why I ignored his potential initially. But... if Law is the last to join, then that means the StrawHat crew started with a stubborn captain who has the will of D, L(uffy), and will end with a stubborn captain who has the will of D, L(aw).

You know, Oda amazes me sometimes.

Of course that doesn't mean Oda has to follow that pattern, and Law might not be the final guy. The potential is sure there though. The end of Wano is going to be interesting!

P.S. I don't really see death flags for Law. The tragedy Oda mentioned is pretty vague and could refer to Kanjuro's betrayal. Oda sucks at death and killing off substantial characters anyway. If Law dies, I expect a blonde expy to acquire his fruit and become his replacement (sorry, Sabo). XD

Well written and explained, i like it. The finding out about his D ancestors makes him somewhat different to Luffy who doesent care really, and betters his chances imo. Another thing, when you say the L in his name is an obstacle, i assume you mean the AB CD EF GH IJ KL MN OP QR ST UV WX YZ pattern theory right? Well, his name is technically Trafalgar D Water Law (Waterloo), and since Water comes after D, thats part of his 1st name. Wonder why Oda decided to update his 1st name all of a sudden. Anyway, great effort, i hope youre right.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

law basically as per the recent chapter he s not roleless.

And his tactical wits was always vital.

As for his goals, it was portrayed way back in dressrosa that his goal was to really take down doflamingo. In the process he got in debt with.

His crew wont get the spotlight to get their chracters explained nor get their match up because one piece got more deeper chracters to use for ofc a more compelling storyline. Besides, all of his members are the ones he just helped along the way.

I dont think law has the serious goal of taking the one piece. He is not even portrayed as rival to luffy, but rather more of the crew's strong allies.

The way his character was creates, it is more to me that he s just there to witness how the great pirate era will end.

He's more like mihawk in that, treasures, power doesnt interests him. But he's interested at how the world will change. Afterall his part of the D lineage.

He is only not roleless if hes in the story, which is revolved around the SHP. Because if hes not with them, what is he supposed to do? Kidd is someone that will try to fight Luffy, thats just how his nature is. But Law? He has the knowledge of all the assets Luffy has, and he must know/realize hes not beating him to One Piece. The only way he gets there is on Luffys ship.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Law is Luffy's closest ally and someone that he does consider to be a crewmate (I think Luffy actually called him one on Dressrosa, which Law denied).

He won't join the crew though. He's just a bit too much for the Strawhats. Another D, another doctor, another Worst Gen member- he'd overshadow everyone else in the crew bar Luffy.


Well, if the Blackbeard Pirate sniper acts as a lookout, might as well have the Strawhat sniper do the same.

Agree, if he wasnt all that hed be the front runner for nakama #10 by far. He has the most pros, but also the most cons. It will be interesting to see how Oda handles his character post Wano

 

[PirateKingDrew]

Carrot is the lookout, with her jumping ability she can scout for miles across the horizon when on the ocean and when they land at shore again she can scout for miles around to get a full view of what's on the island they've just arrived on, this is the kind of thing Nami and most of the crew would love.

Usopp is NOT the lookout, what good is your sniper if he's in the crow's nest, how can he possibly use the ship's cannon's from there? having him up there is a major disadvantage to the crew's naval battle capabilities.

 

[Diamond]

Well written and explained, i like it. The finding out about his D ancestors makes him somewhat different to Luffy who doesent care really, and betters his chances imo. Another thing, when you say the L in his name is an obstacle, i assume you mean the AB CD EF GH IJ KL MN OP QR ST UV WX YZ pattern theory right? Well, his name is technically Trafalgar D Water Law (Waterloo), and since Water comes after D, thats part of his 1st name. Wonder why Oda decided to update his 1st name all of a sudden. Anyway, great effort, i hope youre right.

Thanks, I tried. I completely forgot about the Waterloo (Water Law) part. That would make a lot of sense. If Law doesn't join in the end, he's going to go to Laughtale to find out about the D Kingdom anyway. I believe he is too interested in it to just let it go like that. I don't think Law even cares about the pirate king title; so he probably stay friends with the Strawhats regardless of what path he chooses in the end.

 

[Rmstorm]

Dont think Law would become a subordinated to Luffy, the are rivals and will make, with Kid to, the future generation of great pirates

Luffy has no rivals, anybody that gets in his way gets destroyed. The only thing they can do is to continue on their path.

 

[Celestia]

Carrot is just female Chopper no thx..

I want Perona to join

 

[Tejas]

I don't want anymore females in the crew.

 

[BOCCHI]

An unlikely candidate, but weirdly enough I want Snack to be a SH!!

 

[Albino 👑]

An unlikely candidate, but weirdly enough I want Snack to be a SH!!

Why snack lol

 

[BOCCHI]

Why snack lol

Not sure, I suddenly got interested by that guy and want to see more of him and want him to join, I feel like he would add something to the crew dynamic personality wise.
It’s doubtful of him to join so at this point you can call it my wishful thinking xD