Powers & Abilities How Sanji vs Queen and Zoro vs King play out?
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Yes, I know what you mean. And of course, it's not a given they will get to solo King and Queen, far from it.
On the other hand :
That's precisely because Luffy is the main character that Oda needed a lot time, fights and build up to make him reach this level. He probably won't be willing to dedicate so much time to Zoro and Sanji's growth so I can see him use a faster and more convenient way to make them reach YC1 and YC2 level.
Besides, Luffy is the future PK, he needs his strongest men to surpass Yonko's strongest men as fast as possible. Otherwise it will be difficult for them to even survive the final war.
On the other hand :
That's precisely because Luffy is the main character that Oda needed a lot time, fights and build up to make him reach this level. He probably won't be willing to dedicate so much time to Zoro and Sanji's growth so I can see him use a faster and more convenient way to make them reach YC1 and YC2 level.
Besides, Luffy is the future PK, he needs his strongest men to surpass Yonko's strongest men as fast as possible. Otherwise it will be difficult for them to even survive the final war.
King and Queen ARE NOT on Luffy's Calliber
No Commander can beat Luffy anymore.
In Water seven Luffy was barely doing anything to a guy like Blueno
Skip to Ennies Lobby Luffy has power up that low diff Blueno
Blueno is revealed to be FIVE TIMES WEAKER than Kaku and Jabra. Then Kaku eats a df that makes him even stronger than that.
So Zoro and Sanji beat guys stronger than a guy Luffy couldn't beat in the previous arc like 30 chapters back.
Luffy is beyond commanders now. Luffy will never fight a commander to high diff again because Oda doesn't have time to waste on fights that are that obvious unless is another Blueno situation with like Luffy low diffing Jack or something.
Luffy is now contending with Admirals and Yonkou. And So once again Zoro and Sanji deal with guys luffy couldn't beat in just the previous arc
No Commander can beat Luffy anymore.
In Water seven Luffy was barely doing anything to a guy like Blueno
Skip to Ennies Lobby Luffy has power up that low diff Blueno
Blueno is revealed to be FIVE TIMES WEAKER than Kaku and Jabra. Then Kaku eats a df that makes him even stronger than that.
So Zoro and Sanji beat guys stronger than a guy Luffy couldn't beat in the previous arc like 30 chapters back.
Luffy is beyond commanders now. Luffy will never fight a commander to high diff again because Oda doesn't have time to waste on fights that are that obvious unless is another Blueno situation with like Luffy low diffing Jack or something.
Luffy is now contending with Admirals and Yonkou. And So once again Zoro and Sanji deal with guys luffy couldn't beat in just the previous arc
Neither will have the fight tbh... Queen is more than likely to be defeated by Kid the man who he was torturing for quite a long time... Kid deserve to give him a payback! For King not sure quite some option! Marco(if he comes) Weevil(prob coming) Zoro simply have no chance to compete... unless it’s 2vs1.
This is false. Sanji was not with the crew at the time that they learned from Iceberg, and the moment you mentioned over the Den Den Mushi was only chapters before he faced Robin and even then he hadn't the full story, as he was confused when he told Robin that they didn't give a rats ass about the buster call, and she still refused to join them. Add this to when Blueno taunted him about using Robin's history to coerce her, and he wasn't prepared. He acknowledged such when he was talking to the rest of the crew when they met up again and was unsure whether Robin would come back with them regardless.
Wow. Look at that. You're using one brief clash with Daifuku and an instance in which Sanji snuck up on someone that wasn't on guard, wasn't paying attention, and was preoccupied with Pound, as well as an instance in which Sanji fought a guy and did no serious damage to him that we know of, and the guy didn't use any techniques of his own, to justify Sanji being on the level of a Yonko commander.
Oh, so you're using coincidental and irrelevant things to suggest that Sanji will fight Queen. Then I'll one up you and say that Chopper has bigger hints to fight Queen, as he completely and easily overcame Queen's poison and remarked that it wasn't something special. Whether or not Chopper is ready for it is one thing, and doesn't matter. Since you're using the Power Rangers themes as a justification for fighting Queen, I think mine carries more weight.
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess the part where I said that "probably", which certainly does not mean "certainly", as well as the part where I said "though it's debatable," was not clear enough to express that it wasn't a certainty and that I was unsure of it to begin with. But I guess when presented with something that you may not like, it's always easier to just assign the intent as "you just hate Sanji hurr durr," regardless of whether or not that's truthful (it's not).
And how ironic that you would speak of objectivity when your argument for Sanji fighting a Yonko commander is literally "if they fight, they can just grow," whether or not they're actually in the position to do so, and based on Luffy, as if Luffy isn't special and as if that was the sole thing that he did to begin with. Forget having to climb the ranks or anything to be in position to challenge Katakuri, and whatnot.
Uh, that's false. Luffy fought Moria on his own. Nobody else touched him.
If that isn't the most fabricated nonsense.
Wow. Look at that. You're using one brief clash with Daifuku and an instance in which Sanji snuck up on someone that wasn't on guard, wasn't paying attention, and was preoccupied with Pound, as well as an instance in which Sanji fought a guy and did no serious damage to him that we know of, and the guy didn't use any techniques of his own, to justify Sanji being on the level of a Yonko commander.
Oh, so you're using coincidental and irrelevant things to suggest that Sanji will fight Queen. Then I'll one up you and say that Chopper has bigger hints to fight Queen, as he completely and easily overcame Queen's poison and remarked that it wasn't something special. Whether or not Chopper is ready for it is one thing, and doesn't matter. Since you're using the Power Rangers themes as a justification for fighting Queen, I think mine carries more weight.
Man you really dislike Sanji lolz...the fact that you're tyrna play even Bepo off as stronger than Sanji is enough for me to know that you just can't be objective about him 
. I personally don't think any of those you've mentioned will be more relevant than him (whether the strongest scabbards are stronger is debatable but even that won't last long imo) but guess we'll see in a few weeks. :cheers:
. I personally don't think any of those you've mentioned will be more relevant than him (whether the strongest scabbards are stronger is debatable but even that won't last long imo) but guess we'll see in a few weeks. :cheers:
And how ironic that you would speak of objectivity when your argument for Sanji fighting a Yonko commander is literally "if they fight, they can just grow," whether or not they're actually in the position to do so, and based on Luffy, as if Luffy isn't special and as if that was the sole thing that he did to begin with. Forget having to climb the ranks or anything to be in position to challenge Katakuri, and whatnot.
Uh, that's false. Luffy fought Moria on his own. Nobody else touched him.
If that isn't the most fabricated nonsense.
None of that matters. The plot is what makes things happen.
Luffy in the plot is going to be regarded as an actual Yonkou at the end of this arc. You can't be 1st commander level and be considered an actual Yonkou.
Whether luffy gets help beating kaido, he is going to be massively stronger than all these guys at the end of the arc. If you think King can still beat him right now yet he's gonna be at minimum Admiral level by the end of the arc then that's on you
Luffy in the plot is going to be regarded as an actual Yonkou at the end of this arc. You can't be 1st commander level and be considered an actual Yonkou.
Whether luffy gets help beating kaido, he is going to be massively stronger than all these guys at the end of the arc. If you think King can still beat him right now yet he's gonna be at minimum Admiral level by the end of the arc then that's on you
Shiryu is a special case. He is basically the Oden of Blackbeard's crew.
but for katakuri or King, I don't understand how you can even think they are on a similar level to Luffy. Luffy's CoO is close in strength if not above that of katakuri. reread some of the stuff from udon, Luffy was predicting the future in the exact same way as katakuri did.
Even if Katakuri's CoO might be better, given that Luffy's CoO was strong enough back in WCI for Luffy to land a single hit on katakuri in G2(this happened in the chapter before he went snakeman), current Luffy should easily be able to land hits on him. With ACoA, Luffy honestly doesn't even need G4 to beat katakuri and even if he does need G4, that's no longer a problem as Luffy has been shown using G4 on literal fodder indicating that he has at the very least increased the timelimit a little bit.
but for katakuri or King, I don't understand how you can even think they are on a similar level to Luffy. Luffy's CoO is close in strength if not above that of katakuri. reread some of the stuff from udon, Luffy was predicting the future in the exact same way as katakuri did.
Even if Katakuri's CoO might be better, given that Luffy's CoO was strong enough back in WCI for Luffy to land a single hit on katakuri in G2(this happened in the chapter before he went snakeman), current Luffy should easily be able to land hits on him. With ACoA, Luffy honestly doesn't even need G4 to beat katakuri and even if he does need G4, that's no longer a problem as Luffy has been shown using G4 on literal fodder indicating that he has at the very least increased the timelimit a little bit.
You mean Luffy becoming nightmare luffy with 100 shadows isn't considered luffy getting help? Or do you mean that operation to stomp Oarz isn't considered help?
Wow. So let's say if Luffy gets a power up from Hawkin's power up care then I guess that's not considered Luffy getting help as well?
Also I suppose Zoro can tag team Mihawk and share the title of WSS with... Killer?... Whoever... Oh you must be reading quite the story to come to that conclusion
Wow. So let's say if Luffy gets a power up from Hawkin's power up care then I guess that's not considered Luffy getting help as well?
Also I suppose Zoro can tag team Mihawk and share the title of WSS with... Killer?... Whoever... Oh you must be reading quite the story to come to that conclusion
King and Queen are the same caliber as Luffy’s previous opponent's that he had a very difficult time of beating and actually needed help in a couple of them
Lmao what a weak example I thought you’ll give a good one the crew are hesitating because of Robin’s action that’s why they’re weaker than they actually are and Luffy is capable of defeating blueno even if he didn’t use g2(Luffy pummeling blueno in his base)
We’ve seen what the Yonko commanders did to Sanji’s brothers with raid suit and you seriously think that having just having a new sword will let you beat a YC1?
Lmao what a weak example I thought you’ll give a good one the crew are hesitating because of Robin’s action that’s why they’re weaker than they actually are and Luffy is capable of defeating blueno even if he didn’t use g2(Luffy pummeling blueno in his base)
We’ve seen what the Yonko commanders did to Sanji’s brothers with raid suit and you seriously think that having just having a new sword will let you beat a YC1?
Arent people like Marco and Beckman comparable to Yonkos and doing great against Admirals?
Luffy's CoO being bad is precisely why I can think that King can beat Luffy. Udon showing of FS is impossible, Oda is messing up his own creation. It's just messing with fodder so it can be turned a blind eye on but in an actual fight it doesnt work like that.
Luffy's CoO being bad is precisely why I can think that King can beat Luffy. Udon showing of FS is impossible, Oda is messing up his own creation. It's just messing with fodder so it can be turned a blind eye on but in an actual fight it doesnt work like that.
Hawkins isn't in the Tobi roppo... And Zoro literally dismantled one of his best moves with ease.
You think Drake is that strong? Or do you think Zoro is that weak? Hehehe... Like Drake is the guy who will be Tanking Zoro's Mountain cutting slashes and requiring Ashura and then Zoro gets another Mihawk flashback to pull out another ass pull technique to win at the last second. All that for X Drake. And then Wano, the arc so swords and swordsmen ends with Zoro, future WSS, beating X Drake.
Hehehehe....Okay
You think Drake is that strong? Or do you think Zoro is that weak? Hehehe... Like Drake is the guy who will be Tanking Zoro's Mountain cutting slashes and requiring Ashura and then Zoro gets another Mihawk flashback to pull out another ass pull technique to win at the last second. All that for X Drake. And then Wano, the arc so swords and swordsmen ends with Zoro, future WSS, beating X Drake.
Hehehehe....Okay