Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1058 Spoilers Discussion

[Abysmal]

So Mihawk neg diffed the SSG ?

 

[Reborn]

One Chapter after Wano,

One Piece is great again.

Wano sucked because of inconsistent pacing and scabbards having priority over others


We want SHs interactions

We want Yonkou, Admirals and Warlords and Revo panels because we waited years for them to have their moments

 

[SkySanji]

The issue here is that Oda could have easily said "his strength surpasses that of Red Haired Shanks." There is absolutely nothing stopping Oda from writing that, if that is the message he wants to convey.

Like what author in there right mind would sit down and think to themselves "I am going to write his Swordsmanship surpasses Shanks, but everyone knows I am talking about strength." That doesn't even make any sense.

Personally, I don't care which one is stronger, but we can't sit here and just pretend the author means something completely different than what he wrote, just because. No need for such ambiguity, if the message is meant to be clear.

Someone who actually uses their brain

 

[Peroroncino]

The "skill" cope is the stupidest after the "look out" doesnt mean dodge one.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Luffy says "I'll gather a crew that won't lose to yours!"
Then Shanks goes "So you're gonna surpass us?"

Preeeeeetty sure it means the SHP will be stronger than the RHP.

And they said that Luffy don't want to surpass Shanks.

This was cope hard enough.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Wtf why Sanji looks so scary

He did the same thing in thriller bark. That's how salty this man is because of a bounty.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Wano sucked because of inconsistent pacing and scabbards having priority over others


We want SHs interactions

We want Yonkou, Admirals and Warlords and Revo panels because we waited years for them to have their moments

Thank God NO MORE FUCKING SCABBARDS

 

[Rootbeer]

I didnt discredit you
am looking at the panel and I dont see what tf you are saying


so its just pointless wasting time back and forth.

Do you see the massive difference?..

Not to mention that AdCoC is red.. Zoro's Haki coming out of Enma is Black..

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Luffy is part of his own Crew.

Meanings he want to surpass Shanks too.

Luffy said gather a crew stronger than your crew. Meaning his crew members stronger than Shanks crew members. Nothing to do with him being stronger than shanks individually.

No where in the story of One Piece does Luffy state he wishes to be stronger than Shanks. You failing to realise that is why you cant accept the fact that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What if Shanks gets a DF, making him not a pure swordsman. And Oda makes him the EoS villain?

Shanks said that he wanted to find one piece with buggy. Buggy is "captain" of cross guild. What if the way Zoro vs Mihawk happens is by Buggy allying with shanks, and shanks being the EoS villain?

the matchup would be:

Luffy vs Shanks
Zoro vs Mihawk
Sanji vs Beckman
Jinbe vs Crocodile
ect.

But why would Shanks be the final villain? Dudes set up as a hype tool to lose and give luffy a reason to fight Blackbeard so far

 

[IIskandar1997]

Where the fuck is the SSG?

 

[Franosuke]

The issue here is that Oda could have easily said "his strength surpasses that of Red Haired Shanks." There is absolutely nothing stopping Oda from writing that, if that is the message he wants to convey.

Like what author in there right mind would sit down and think to themselves "I am going to write his Swordsmanship surpasses Shanks, but everyone knows I am talking about strength." That doesn't even make any sense.

Personally, I don't care which one is stronger, but we can't sit here and just pretend the author means something completely different than what he wrote, just because. No need for such ambiguity, if the message is meant to be clear.

I don't think it's meant to be clear. I still think it's meant to be ambiguous even if Shanks should logically be below Mihawk.

To expand, I have no problem with the idea that Shanks could be as strong or stronger than Mihawk. It's the fact that so many people INSIST on the idea that Shanks absolutely must be stronger and there's no way Mihawk is even on the level of the Yonko. Not that you or Albino are some of those people, but still.

 

[Albino 👑]

Think of it like this:

Mihawk's title in Japanese is written exactly the same as Whitebeard's title and Kaido's title. The most logical interpretation of both Whitebeard's and Kaido's titles is that they are stronger, as in more powerful, than anyone who falls under the same category.

Anything that is considered a "creature" should be, by the title, weaker than Kaido. The same goes for Whitebeard.

Why is Mihawk's title treated differently, when it is written in the exact same way as the other two?

Realistically, the only logical way to argue in favor of Shanks is by claiming that he's simply not a swordsman. He can't be stronger than Mihawk and be a swordsman. It's one or the other. The only issue is that trying to argue that Shanks is not a swordsman is a very steep hill, considering it's not something that's ever been suggested in the manga.

Admittedly, Shanks' portrayal and place in the story is confusing. He seems to be much "bigger" than Mihawk in the One Piece world in terms of influence, and he's also heavily tied to the main character. That's why it is definitely possible/probable that Shanks has something, I don't know what, that Mihawk doesn't have in order to match up to him in some way. I'm pretty sure Oda even said it's very difficult to rank/compare two top tiers unless they have a full-fledged 1v1 anyway.

I think Mihawk >= Shanks is a pretty safe bet, with some margin for error.

Tbf unlike kaido and whitebeard mihawks title is pretty hyper specific

Being a swordsman has to specifically do with one's fighting style
Being a creature or man/human are pretty open

Also we are finally starting to learn more about what it right means to be a swordsman. Like with zoro's fight with king

When it comes to shanks i just personally don't think oda will him a mihawk clone/echo fight especially with how much he seems to love the guy
Could mihawk be stronger yeah and if that's the case then fine it is what it is. Tho i do still have high expectations for shanks

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Lmao

Shanks fans are hilarious


Shanks use CoC haki without sword so he is hakiman

Who points sword to unleash CoC? Lmao

Doesn't this make Zoro hakiman too?

Wait so zoro is hakiman who uses CoC and Ad CoC and also uses haki while using swords and is going after Mihawk so Mihawk is hakiman too?

Just use this

We know after Roger Vs Whitebeard, Kaido Vs Big Mom, Luffy Vs Kaido. All of this Clash, it Needs AdvCoC to make Split Sky.
So Shanks is using CoC with his Sword when he clash with WB:cheers:

 

[Raughtale]

One Chapter after Wano,

One Piece is great again.

Oda did say ONE PIECE starts now.

 

[SkySanji]

The "skill" cope is the stupidest after the "look out" doesnt mean dodge one.

Skill is what is written in the manga, blame Oda

 

[Uncle Van]

Btw only zoro and hachi specifically call himself swordman. While mihawk happen to held title strongest sword user. And no one called vista swordman (yeah his nick name flower vista), cahbaji just circus arcobat,that bald dude underling of enel but why we called them swordman not others too

There's the thing:

Zoro thought Cabaji wasn't a swordsman cause of all the circus bull, but Cabaji himself corrected Zoro saying he is a swordsman.

Zoro thought Daz Bones was a swordsman because he used bladed weapons but Bones corrected Zoro saying that he's not a swordsman, but an assassin.

These 2 exchanges with Zoro himself shows that you are only a swordsman if you consider yourself one, and you can use all abilities at your disposal and still be a swordsman(or else Zoro himself is disqualified).

There is no evidence suggesting Shanks isn't a swordman. The only argument people can bring up is the assumption that Shanks might not consider himself a swordman anymore.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Good, I want her packed up

you are evil

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

The "skill" cope is the stupidest after the "look out" doesnt mean dodge one.

By this point even if Shanks himself in the manga will admit Mihawk is better than him they will deny it - "only better in swordmanship!"

 

[Peroroncino]

Skill is what is written in the manga, blame Oda

Worlds STRONGEST swordsman