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One was bleeding other having said he was old and getting tired. In your dumb head kizaru wins, why didn't he continue fighting rayleigh after luffy escaped, he had pacifista sentomaru & rayleigh was all ALONE but instead he captured 500 nameless pirates. And they still know where rayleigh is & nobody bothers him even though kizaru says roger pirates sins are worse than any of the other pirates Explain moron.
Pacifista are fodder that get one shotted. Kizaru was getting ready for war with Whitebeard no time to waste chasing after Rayleigh
 
That's not the point here. No one in their right mind thinks Old Rayleigh beats Blackbeard—almost everyone agrees the old legends are the weakest of the top tiers. And a good deal of the community puts Shanks over most admirals not named Akainu. The problem is with people seeing similar things with different magnifying glasses. It's about how people treat GB's retreat vs BB's retreat. Both have good reasons to back off but certain fandom things only one of them deserves to be bashed for allegedly running.
But thats the point though. Had shanks said he can't win against GB , it would be a W for him. The way he was paralysed was bad for him. You know what? If BB gets similar paralysed treatment from ray then is still comparable otherwise its not.
 

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Lmao Rayleigh fans are so diluted, y’all honestly think shanks fans find Rayleigh doing something vastly inferior or at best similar to shanks. would bring us to tears. Lol Rayleigh the right hand of the pirate himself, an shank constantly looking like his superior. Despite being a suppose 1 arm has been

He didn’t know about mini mihawk, an Rayleigh involvement. Nor that his crew members would all fall victim to boa hax. Rayleigh still pull of a real deal type feat regardless. No hate on my part, the shanks comparison y’all only problem. Shanks objectively look superior to Rayleigh
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Your whole argument is he thought boa would give the fruit up without a fight lmfaooooo

HE SAILED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WORLD
AND RAN AWAY FROM GETTING WHAT HE WANTED
 
About the Blackbeard vs Old Rayleigh debate, difficult to debate properly until the scans are out(especially with the viz), but based on the infos we have thus far, after the conflict, we have

> Rayleigh admitting that he couldn't beat Blackbeard at his current age
> That things were been favorable for them
> Hancock was saved while Coby ended up captured

So whatever off-panel thing that happened leading to Coby's capture had nothing to do with a strength issue on Blackbeard's part. The favorable circumstances mentioned by Rayleigh is the key point here

With that said, obviously despite being old, Rayleigh is still a threat to top tiers
At top again, Blackbeard fought them all by himself, his two idiots got stoned by Boa and the rest are probably around other missions.
He beat the navy, took down two SSG!! And at top he negged Boa, Rayleigh even admit with all the favorable things, they couldn´t beat him, the SSG even damaged him. Rayleigh got his hype too I agree, but Blackbeard also has a great hype on his back.
 
Since when advCoC boosts speed Two Piece reader? And since when Luffy trained his FS?
I have already proved ACoC can be used to enhance the user speed.

Did you not read Luffy's time in Udon. Luffy spent his time in Udon training.


This is FS training.


He even has Hyou get in his back to increase his weight for training.



As you can see the Luffy that fought Kaido was much stronger, faster and mores skilled in all areas.
 
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