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TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

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MonochromeYoru said:
As I said, a short tenure doesn't = bad hokage.

Hashi handing out the bijuu is kinda bad. But he could handle them. And the reason for handing them out was to create a power balance. Do you really think the other villages would have sit back and watched if the leaf controlled all the bijuu? They would have all teamed up against the leaf. That would be a bigger disaster even if the leaf won, and would be entirely contradictory to the whole peace that hashi sought so much and worked so hard towards.
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No, but his three biggest impacts were;

Chuunin Exams — Caused the deaths of children
ANBU — Good and bad, it's been abused maliciously by those who followed Tobirama.
Police Force — Created discrimination and disdain for the Uchiha.

So in his short time period he establishes a shady group that causes problems down the road, creates a root cause for Uchiha discrimination and has the Chuunin exams lol. Then dies.
 
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TheAncientCenturion said:
Hiruzen led the village through three, possible 4 wars and 1 natural disaster. And it kept bouncing back stronger than before. No Hokage has done as much as him.



This is the most info we're given on who Orochimaru experimented on within Konoha and yes, it is a failing of Hiruzen's.. He should've fought and killed Orochimaru but couldn't get over his personal feelings at the time. Hashirama came from an era where most of his siblings died before he was ten, Hiruzen was born and raised in Konoha—so while a failing it is, comparing it to someone who was more accustom to family and close bonds dying is a little unfair.


The Uchiha fucked themselves. Plot a coup 7 years after war ends, the Kyuubi attacks and kills your Hokage and 4 years after you barely evade war with Kumogakure? What sensible person even negotiates with the Uchiha like Hiruzen did? They're a massive risk to the village—more than Orochimaru—and Danzo forced his hand on this because if you let the Uchiha Clan attempt their coup, Konoha is being invaded within the year.
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Can we say any Hokage fucked up as much as him though?

We have to weigh the negative and the positive

He led them through the wars while also leaving Naruto (the village Jinchuuriki) with nothing, letting Orochimaru get away with experimentation, and putting the village in jeopardy because of that decision (it also led to Sunagakure losing their Kage as well lol)

Danzo was forced to stand up and take action as Hiruzen was incapable of handling everything that was left to him (he stated this himself)



Hiruzen himself admits he made mistake after mistake as the Hokage. Now I'll cut him some slack since he was the Kage for much longer than everyone else but we have to call a spade a spade.

Now I'll kinda give you the Uchiha part now that I'm looking back at it. A lot of what happened IS partially their fault but letting Danzo move them away from their original position in the village was definitely a bad move. Which brings me back to the Danzo point

He needed a shadow Kage to maintain his rule. Others did not.. that's all I'm saying
 
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