Chapter Discussion Fucking first mate Zoro great advice bro

[Doggo]

About Ace.....
Luffy didn't know Ace got captured and was gonna be executed until the old lady from Amazon Lily told him when she explained the Shichibukais were summoned to fight the Whitebeard Pirates.

When Luffy talks about "Ace having his own adventure", he IMMEDIATELY says that, despite that, he's going to save Ace and postpones going back to Sabaody.

So this argument Zoro brings does absolutely NOTHING, because Luffy DID go for Ace as soon as he learned about his execution. He tried to ask how long it would take to gather his crew in Sabaody, but it would be too late.

Not only that, WB himself regrets sending Ace alone against Teach. Even Shanks warned him, but he ignored.

I know Oda is just trying to have Zoro be the "level-headed" here, but trying to justify this "ace argument" he used is beyond moronic.
Just accept Oda fumbled here and could have worded it better and move on.
Don't try to sprinkle gold on a pile of trash and call it "treasure".

 

[Buggy D Clown]

About Ace.....
Luffy didn't know Ace got captured and was gonna be executed until the old lady from Amazon Lily told him when she explained the Shichibukais were summoned to fight the Whitebeard Pirates.

When Luffy talks about "Ace having his own adventure", he IMMEDIATELY says that, despite that, he's going to save Ace and postpones going back to Sabaody.

So this argument Zoro brings does absolutely NOTHING, because Luffy DID go for Ace as soon as he learned about his execution. He tried to ask how long it would take to gather his crew in Sabaody, but it would be too late.

Not only that, WB himself regrets sending Ace alone against Teach. Even Shanks warned him, but he ignored.

I know Oda is just trying to have Zoro be the "level-headed" here, but trying to justify this "ace argument" he used is beyond moronic.
Just accept Oda fumbled here and could have worded it better and move on.
Don't try to sprinkle gold on a pile of trash and call it "treasure".

Was it confirmed that Vivi was captured and about to be executed?

 

[zzShinichi]

About Ace.....
Luffy didn't know Ace got captured and was gonna be executed until the old lady from Amazon Lily told him when she explained the Shichibukais were summoned to fight the Whitebeard Pirates.

When Luffy talks about "Ace having his own adventure", he IMMEDIATELY says that, despite that, he's going to save Ace and postpones going back to Sabaody.

So this argument Zoro brings does absolutely NOTHING, because Luffy DID go for Ace as soon as he learned about his execution. He tried to ask how long it would take to gather his crew in Sabaody, but it would be too late.

Not only that, WB himself regrets sending Ace alone against Teach. Even Shanks warned him, but he ignored.

I know Oda is just trying to have Zoro be the "level-headed" here, but trying to justify this "ace argument" he used is beyond moronic.
Just accept Oda fumbled here and could have worded it better and move on.
Don't try to sprinkle gold on a pile of trash and call it "treasure".

Oda balancing Zoro's badass Vice captain moment with a retarded argument

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Remember what you Said about your dead brother? we should have the same energy for your last remaining brother and and our 17 yr old underpowered friend missing in the new world.

#makeusoppvicecaptainagain

Its a relief that Zoro is smarter than you. They dont even know if Vivi is still at Marijoa, but they should attack the navy HQ based on a piece of news that could be fake?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

About Ace.....
Luffy didn't know Ace got captured and was gonna be executed until the old lady from Amazon Lily told him when she explained the Shichibukais were summoned to fight the Whitebeard Pirates.

When Luffy talks about "Ace having his own adventure", he IMMEDIATELY says that, despite that, he's going to save Ace and postpones going back to Sabaody.

So this argument Zoro brings does absolutely NOTHING, because Luffy DID go for Ace as soon as he learned about his execution. He tried to ask how long it would take to gather his crew in Sabaody, but it would be too late.

Not only that, WB himself regrets sending Ace alone against Teach. Even Shanks warned him, but he ignored.

I know Oda is just trying to have Zoro be the "level-headed" here, but trying to justify this "ace argument" he used is beyond moronic.
Just accept Oda fumbled here and could have worded it better and move on.
Don't try to sprinkle gold on a pile of trash and call it "treasure".

WB didn't send Ace. Ace left and everything Zoro said was right. Ace didn't die because Luffy didn't leave earlier.

 

[Doggo]

Oda balancing Zoro's badass Vice captain moment with a retarded argument

"vice captain" aside, this is nothing new for Zoro.
He always has this more "cold" approach. It's just part of the character, and the interesting part is how it contrasts to most of the crew.
IMO, I think Oda wrote himself in a corner with this Vivi thing.

Remember what Luffy JUST SAID to Momo when delivering the flag? That if someone did something against them, Luffy and co. would immediately come for them?
How the fuck do you go from this to "there's nothing we can do, so we just keep doing our thing"?

Not even Zoro's fault.
Oda's just a hack.
Forced events that contradicts what the characters do or say everywhere else.
The secret is just not dwell too much on it. Bad example used. Let's move on.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

"vice captain" aside, this is nothing new for Zoro.
He always has this more "cold" approach. It's just part of the character, and the interesting part is how it contrasts to most of the crew.
IMO, I think Oda wrote himself in a corner with this Vivi thing.

Remember what Luffy JUST SAID to Momo when delivering the flag? That if someone did something against them, Luffy and co. would immediately come for them?
How the fuck do you go from this to "there's nothing we can do, so we just keep doing our thing"?

Not even Zoro's fault.
Oda's just a hack.
Forced events that contradicts what the characters do or say everywhere else.
The secret is just not dwell too much on it. Bad example used. Let's move on.

What are you talking about? They literally have no clue where Vivi is. They go to Marine HQ and they would get manhandled

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

How the fuck do you go from this to "there's nothing we can do, so we just keep doing our thing"?

Zoro explicitly said, "I am just saying we dont have any leads". What do you want the crew to do when there is no confirmation on the whereabouts of Vivi?

 

[Reborn]

That was a really shitty example by Zoro because Ace ended up dead exactly because of this mindset lol. Couldn't have picked a worse example.

Irrelevant. That was a terrible example to use. Luffy ignored and trusted Ace and that ended up with his capture.

Obviously Luffy can't control everything going on in the world. But Zoro couldn't have picked a dumber example to use to reassure the SHs.

Nah


Both Luffy and zoro were right.


They are pirates with their own journey and can't go around baby sitting everytime someone goes missing or is in trouble unless its dire situation.

 

[Doggo]

What are you talking about? They literally have no clue where Vivi is. They go to Marine HQ and they would get manhandled

They can....you know...try to investigate?
They don't even have a destination. They need the last Road Poneglyph.
This Road Poneglyph thing made so that the "grand line" route becomes completely irrelevant.

Oda could very well write that Robin knows how to contact the Revo Army.
They could, then, try to talk to Sabo about what happened. Not only Robin has ties to them, but also Sanji and Luffy know Ivankov, who's a known associate of Dragon.
etc.
There's a completely obvious plot hook right here.
But no. Gotta keep the script. Just throw a random info out there and completely disregard how the characters would act on it.
They went for Ennies Lobby to rescue Robin.
Luffy went to fucking Impel Down to rescue Ace.

Going "against all odds" is something they do, ESPECIALLY for someone dear to them.

So don't give me this "but, but marine HQ too stronk".

He literally have an army that he can call for help.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Was it confirmed that Vivi was captured and about to be executed?

If that happens Zoro will command the Strawhats to go save her like the great leader he is.

 

[Reborn]

"vice captain" aside, this is nothing new for Zoro.
He always has this more "cold" approach. It's just part of the character, and the interesting part is how it contrasts to most of the crew.
IMO, I think Oda wrote himself in a corner with this Vivi thing.

Remember what Luffy JUST SAID to Momo when delivering the flag? That if someone did something against them, Luffy and co. would immediately come for them?
How the fuck do you go from this to "there's nothing we can do, so we just keep doing our thing"?

Not even Zoro's fault.
Oda's just a hack.
Forced events that contradicts what the characters do or say everywhere else.
The secret is just not dwell too much on it. Bad example used. Let's move on.

There are so many islands...


Vivi was last seen at MJ and then went missing.


She could be at MJ - this means going against whole navy and WG


Or she could be at any other Island - they have no clue whatsoever

Your momo example is bad because momo is in wano and they know where wano is


But they don't know where vivi is so how you expect them to save her? Zoro made the right call.

 

[Doggo]

There are so many islands...


Vivi was last seen at MJ and then went missing.


She could be at MJ - this means going against whole navy and WG


Or she could be at any other Island - they have no clue whatsoever

Your momo example is bad because momo is in wano and they know where wano is


But they don't know where vivi is so how you expect them to save her? Zoro made the right call.

So if Momo is captured and his whereabouts are unknown, they just ignore it and continue their journey.
Got it.

You're right.
Having to find a lost friend is too inconvenient for their journey.

Imagine, for example, if Luffy decided to starve to death for one of his friends instead of continuing his journey?
Completely out of character, right? He would never.
True true. Straw Hats all about "min-max" the journey.

 

[Reborn]

So if Momo is captured and his whereabouts are unknown, they just ignore it and continue their journey.
Got it.

You're right.
Having to find a lost friend is too inconvenient for their journey.

Imagine, for example, if Luffy decided to starve to death for one of his friends instead of continuing his journey?
Completely out of character, right? He would never.
True true. Straw Hats all about "min-max" the journey.

Such bad examples

Ace just to look for the clue about BB had to leave his pirate journey and wander around.



You want them to look for vivi about whom there is no clue. They just came out of wano and read news about her in paper.

They don't even know whom to contact because cobra is dead and sabo is missing too.

You don't start finding missing person from random location but last known location and here that last location is MJ - Navy and WG place.

If they would have even slightest of clue they would have gone to save her but they can't just shoot in dark and go all around the Grandline or NW just for clue.

That's not practical and that's why zoro stopped luffy

 

[Doggo]

Such bad examples

Ace just to look for the clue about BB had to leave his pirate journey and wander around.



You want them to look for vivi about whom there is no clue. They just came out of wano and read news about her in paper.

They don't even know whom to contact because cobra is dead and sabo is missing too.

You don't start finding missing person from random location but last known location and here that last location is MJ - Navy and WG place.

If they would have even slightest of clue they would have gone to save her but they can't just shoot in dark and go all around the Grandline or NW just for clue.

That's not practical and that's why zoro stopped luffy

You're right fam.
It's impossible to sneak into MarieJois.

Not like the Revo Army did just that.
But you're right. Totally impossible.
Gotta optimize the journey.
So, where's the last road poneglyph? So many islands to look for it...
Surely they can't go all around the world just for a clue, right?
Vivi at least has a "last location". The poneglyph doesn't even have that.

 

[Reborn]

You're right fam.
It's impossible to sneak into MarieJois.

Not like the Revo Army did just that.
But you're right. Totally impossible.
Gotta optimize the journey.
So, where's the last road poneglyph? So many islands to look for it...
Surely they can't go all around the world just for a clue, right?
Vivi at least has a "last location". The poneglyph doesn't even have that.

And, do you think sabo just sneaked immediately?

RA was planning for reverie for long time

Do SHs have such preparation?No


And, yes they want last PG but have you seen them explicitly looking for clue? They came out of wano and Robin only mentioned that it's location is unknown and then they just went ahead with their journey


I get it you are vivi fan or might not like Zoro taking the call but hey what you are saying is impulsive and irrational and not practical

 

[Ace]

All the knowledge they have is that Cobra is dead from Sabo and Vivi is missing.

Clearly seems like bullshit and the assumption should be that Vivi is a captive in marijoa

Strawhats are doing Vivi dirty here

 

[Julius]

Remember what you Said about your dead brother? we should have the same energy for your last remaining brother and and our 17 yr old underpowered friend missing in the new world.

#makeusoppvicecaptainagain

Zoro smart as fck

Sanji was right, once a meathead, always a meathead

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Different circumstances. No one always assumes the worst just because it happened once. What now? Should SHs stop their journey, and not let others fight their own fights and have their own adventures because Ace died in an unforeseen situation? If they're so worried about their friends not being able to resolve their own issues and don't have enough confidence in their abilities because Ace died, then they might as well go back to FMI or Wano to babysit them. That's about as dumb as it can get.

Remember, this "I have to resolve everything by myself" attitude is what got Ace killed in the first place.

 

[ShiNoGekai]

Remember what you Said about your dead brother? we should have the same energy for your last remaining brother and and our 17 yr old underpowered friend missing in the new world.

#makeusoppvicecaptainagain

Zoro gave good advice to investigate matter first. Suppose you went to Mariejoes and Vivi was near to your previous location . Bonney can help with Vivi's location maybe.