Powers & Abilities Debunking Literally Every Argument Against Ryokugyu’s Black Blade UPDATE: Remembering The Fallen

[ShishioIsBack]

Headcanon tbh, Sakazuki is a stronger leader than Sengoku, and they also recruited more powerful fighters via the draft.

If Kuzan turns out to have comparable bounty to Mihawk then I'll be open to Green Bull having Blackblade

If not and he's like 2 Billion and Kuzan was seen as Fleet Admiral candidate unlike Brocolli, I would definitely not see that.

Because real Black Blade holder is seen as 3.6 Billion belly for his combat strength alone.

A former Admiral qualified to be Fleet Admiral with inner navy secrets joining Enemy is still not seen as that.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

?
Zoro has acoc can scar kaido can block 2 yonko and is out here struggling with a 21 grade sword
You think Roger swinging one of the 12 without full mastery ?

No, that's not what I am saying. For the most part, mastering is just you controlling your blade properly—with no drawbacks if there are any. I am talking about something more profound, like merging your brain or body or both with your sword at the spiritual level. Or maybe something like syncing your will with that of your blade if that makes sense to you.

 

[Chiji_]

It seriously looks like a black blade especially when put next to shusui and one can’t even argue it being sheathed the blade is very visible. He can really be an armament specialist especially considering Fuji seems to be an observation one. Whether it’s black or not I already have him as Zoro’s admiral fight, it being black just makes things better for me. Would love it if Zoro swaps sandai for this one after his victory since we didn’t end up getting nidai in Wano, especially if the blade ends up being confirmed black.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

If Kuzan turns out to have comparable bounty to Mihawk then I'll be open to Green Bull having Blackblade

If not and he's like 2 Billion and Kuzan was seen as Fleet Admiral candidate unlike Brocolli, I would definitely not see that.

Because real Black Blade holder is seen as 3.6 Billion belly for his combat strength alone.

A former Admiral qualified to be Fleet Admiral with inner navy secrets joining Enemy is still not seen as that.

I don’t even know how to respond to this lol. Is this a serious post worth debunking? I can’t even tell lol.

Mihawk’s bounty is because he is the WSS, not because of his black blade, lol.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I don't see the issue with Ryukugyu having a Black Blade, and in fact I think it makes complete sense that he does. Both Fujitora and Ryukugyu both seem to have extremely OP devil fruits, and Fujitora also has broken Observation Haki. The man can literally locate meteors in Space with his CoO, and pull them down. That's far beyond even lifting all the rubble in Dressrosa. His CoO is planetary level.

It would stand to reason, that Ryukugyu, would be broken when it comes to CoA, as he is the secondary Admiral to be recruited in conjunction with Fujitora during the timeskip. So if Fujitora is a CoO specialist, then naturally Ryukugyu would be a CoA specialist. Oda likes symmetry and keeping his characters balanced. If he makes one Top Tier in CoO, then the other will be Top Tier in CoA.

I 100 percent think its a black blade. I think the biggest issue people are having here, is that Ryukugyu might not be a full blown Swordsman, and that would put a damper on those who argue that only characters who reach the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship can have Black Blades.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I don’t even know how to respond to this lol. Is this a serious post worth debunking? I can’t even tell lol.

Mihawk’s bounty is because he is the WSS, not because of his black blade, lol.

Well Black Blade is path way to WSS
Didn't you tell me Black Blade is Mihawks life's work aka crowning achievement?

Makes sense to me.
First Zoro was strong enough to scar Kaido with Ryou alone

Then he got advanced CoC as a level higher than that.

Black Blade will be a level above even that so it has to involve CoC because Zoro isn't gonna take a step back and go back to Ryou.

Won't surprise me if Zoro makes Black Blade with Mihawk.

So WG think holders of Black Blade are worth at least 3.6 Billion.

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I don't see the issue with Ryukugyu having a Black Blade, and in fact I think it makes complete sense that he does. Both Fujitora and Ryukugyu both seem to have extremely OP devil fruits, and Fujitora also has broken Observation Haki. The man can literally locate meteors in Space with his CoO, and pull them down. That's far beyond even lifting all the rubble in Dressrosa. His CoO is planetary level.

It would stand to reason, that Ryukugyu, would be broken when it comes to CoA, as he is the secondary Admiral to be recruited in conjunction with Fujitora during the timeskip. So if Fujitora is a CoO specialist, then naturally Ryukugyu would be a CoA specialist. Oda likes symmetry and keeping his characters balanced. If he makes one Top Tier in CoO, then the other will be Top Tier in CoA.

I 100 percent think its a black blade. I think the biggest issue people are having here, is that Ryukugyu might not be a full blown Swordsman, and that would put a damper on those who argue that only characters who reach the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship can have Black Blades.

That's more like a property of his fruit lol, he just randomly creates CoA wave vertically and meteor comes out.

I doubt he can see in the space lol, otherwise he would definitely be knowledgable of the events of the entire world and Akainu won't have to wonder how strong the samurai are.

He can just ask Fujitora to use his "Planetary" level CoO to tell him what is happening in Wano.

Not to mention he was literally shocked by Zoros use of Flying slash and didn't properly block G3 and Sabo had him in bandages.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Well Black Blade is path way to WSS
Didn't you tell me Black Blade is Mihawks life's work aka crowning achievement?

Makes sense to me.
First Zoro was strong enough to scar Kaido with Ryou alone

Then he got advanced CoC as a level higher than that.

Black Blade will be a level above even that so it has to involve CoC because Zoro isn't gonna take a step back and go back to Ryou.

Won't surprise me if Zoro makes Black Blade with Mihawk.

So WG think holders of Black Blade are worth at least 3.6 Billion.

Why would a Black Blade be Mihawks crowning achievement? Didn't the databook state that he trained and challenged Swordsmen until their were none left that were worthy to face him? I don't even think it made mention of having a Black Blade. That's just something he achieved on his path to becoming the World's Strongest, but it's not what defines him.

And turning a sword permanently black with CoC, makes zero sense. Zoro is a COA specialist. Mihawk forbid him to drink until he was capable of mastering the first level of Hardening on his Sword. We know for a fact, that since Zoro does specialize in CoA, he is going to have it completely mastered by EoS. What else could possibly be the pinnacle of Hardening, if not turning something permanently black, which makes something so Hard, that even if a Dinosaur stepped on it, it would not break? Nothing... Literally nothing else fits the bill.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Why would a Black Blade be Mihawks crowning achievement? Didn't the databook state that he trained and challenged Swordsmen until their were none left that were worthy to face him? I don't even think it made mention of having a Black Blade. That's just something he achieved on his path to becoming the World's Strongest, but it's not what defines him.

And turning a sword permanently black with CoC, makes zero sense. Zoro is a COA specialist. Mihawk forbid him to drink until he was capable of mastering the first level of Hardening on his Sword. We know for a fact, that since Zoro does specialize in CoA, he is going to have it completely mastered by EoS. What else could possibly be the pinnacle of Hardening, if not turning something permanently black, which makes something so Hard, that even if a Dinosaur stepped on it, it would not break? Nothing... Literally nothing else fits the bill.

Zoro can be CoA specialist and his CoC can still be strongest in history

I think Mihawk currently had strongest CoA strongest CoO and strongest CoC alive and you need all three to make a Black Blade.

CoC is related to Black Blade because Zoros entire development in wano is all about CoC.

 

[kom5]

No matter how I look at it it's a black blade even your picture shows that

It doesn't have the colors of a normal blade

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Why would a Black Blade be Mihawks crowning achievement? Didn't the databook state that he trained and challenged Swordsmen until their were none left that were worthy to face him? I don't even think it made mention of having a Black Blade. That's just something he achieved on his path to becoming the World's Strongest, but it's not what defines him.

And turning a sword permanently black with CoC, makes zero sense. Zoro is a COA specialist. Mihawk forbid him to drink until he was capable of mastering the first level of Hardening on his Sword. We know for a fact, that since Zoro does specialize in CoA, he is going to have it completely mastered by EoS. What else could possibly be the pinnacle of Hardening, if not turning something permanently black, which makes something so Hard, that even if a Dinosaur stepped on it, it would not break? Nothing... Literally nothing else fits the bill.

Well CoC coating is superior to CoA coating that's why Zoros CoC broke through King's CoA.

Weapon coated by strongest CoC in history will still break weapon coated by strongest CoA in history and strongest Swordsman need to coat his blade with strongest power so no one can break their weapon

 

[Wh1p]

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Ryo doesn’t incorporate much swordsmanship into his fighting style

Based on his fodder control? Lmao.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Well CoC coating is superior to CoA coating that's why Zoros CoC broke through King's CoA.

Weapon coated by strongest CoC in history will still break weapon coated by strongest CoA in history and strongest Swordsman need to coat his blade with strongest power so no one can break their weapon

The problem with this, is that CoC, does not function in that manner. With CoA, you directly apply it to the blade in order to harden it, which turns it black while being applied. With CoC, it can be used to coat attacks, but that's it. It is not directly applied to your fist, or weapon, but merely acts barrier created AROUND your fist/weapon, to amplify your attack. It just fundamentally does not work in a manner in which is makes sense that it can Blacken a Blade.

And no, a weapon hardened with maximum CoA, will not break from an attack coated with Maximum CoC. Oden didn't use hardening against a direct CoC attack from Roger, that sent him barreling hundreds of feet, through countless trees, and his swords were perfectly fine.

 

[HA001]

The problem with this, is that CoC, does not function in that manner. With CoA, you directly apply it to the blade in order to harden it, which turns it black while being applied. With CoC, it can be used to coat attacks, but that's it. It is not directly applied to your fist, or weapon, but merely acts barrier created AROUND your fist/weapon, to amplify your attack. It just fundamentally does not work in a manner in which is makes sense that it can Blacken a Blade.

And no, a weapon hardened with maximum CoA, will not break from an attack coated with Maximum CoC. Oden didn't use hardening against a direct CoC attack from Roger, and his swords were perfectly fine.

King literally just had his coated sword broken in 2.
And acoc literally comes off the swords.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

King literally just had his coated sword broken in 2.
And acoc literally comes off the swords.

That's wasn't just some regular a CoC coated attack from Zoro. It was one of his most powerful named attacks, amped up by CoC AND CoA. Zoro was using two forms of Haki. King was only using one.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

The problem with this, is that CoC, does not function in that manner. With CoA, you directly apply it to the blade in order to harden it, which turns it black while being applied. With CoC, it can be used to coat attacks, but that's it. It is not directly applied to your fist, or weapon, but merely acts barrier created AROUND your fist/weapon, to amplify your attack. It just fundamentally does not work in a manner in which is makes sense that it can Blacken a Blade.

And no, a weapon hardened with maximum CoA, will not break from an attack coated with Maximum CoC. Oden didn't use hardening against a direct CoC attack from Roger, that sent him barreling hundreds of feet, through countless trees, and his swords were perfectly fine.

I don't know
Seems like CoC is coated to your weapon and enhances your attacks essentially same way CoA does.

Was Zoros Bird dance a barrier??

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I don't know
Seems like CoC is coated to your weapon and enhances your attacks essentially same way CoA does.

Was Zoros Bird dance a barrier??

I doubt it tbh. CoA is essentially Haki armor, CoC is like pure willpower. I doubt CoC and CoA infusion behaves the same way.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I doubt it tbh. CoA is essentially Haki armor, CoC is like pure willpower. I doubt CoC and CoA infusion behaves the same way.

Well CoA is said to fighting spirit same way CoC is said to be will power.

Idk how both are any different??

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Well CoA is said to fighting spirit same way CoC is said to be will power.

Idk how both are any different??

Because CoA was described by Rayleigh as being “like armor”. CoC is different, it attacks your willpower/spirit directly whereas CoA deals physical damage.

 

[HA001]

That's wasn't just some regular a CoC coated attack from Zoro. It was one of his most powerful named attacks, amped up by CoC AND CoA. Zoro was using two forms of Haki. King was only using one.

No.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Because CoA was described by Rayleigh as being “like armor”. CoC is different, it attacks your willpower/spirit directly whereas CoA deals physical damage.

I mean Rayleigh was just explaining basics of CoA and CoC

He didn't even brush upon coating your attacks with CoA to make your attacks strong enough to scar the most durable character.

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That's wasn't just some regular a CoC coated attack from Zoro. It was one of his most powerful named attacks, amped up by CoC AND CoA. Zoro was using two forms of Haki. King was only using one.

I mean what is two forms of Haki?
Can anyone use Advanced CoC without using Ryou?

Is CoC coating simply infusion of Ryou with CoC??

In that case CoC coating is still superior right?