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I think my biggest unpopular opinion is my opinion on Coby's powerlevel. I honestly don't see why Coby shouldn't be strong in the new world. I mean the only argument that you could make is he's a captain, therefore he's weak. But I don't see how that's a good argument as
the fact that he did this already proves that he most likely has one of the fastest growth rates in the series, with his being superseded possibly only by luffy.
The fact that he awakened CoO pre-skip and was trained by over two years for it by Garp means that his haki is likely stronger than Sanji's post skip.
He has also been portrayed as a future rival for luffy throughout the manga. In chapter 7, where Luffy and Coby go their separate ways, you even see a narration box stating neither luffy nor zoro realized that they made a serious mistake. This could only refer to them helping Coby become a marine.
Luffy also stated that he believed that Coby would be capable of one day becoming strong enough to fight him when they met in water 7.
"But they are friends". So was Garp and Roger. But ultimately, Coby will oppose Luffy in the final arcs of one piece. This is evident by the fact that Coby is going to participate in the capturing of Hancock, which will inevitably put him in direct odds with Luffy.
- marine ranks aren't exactly like bounties. The marines will prefer to rank up older and more experienced marines over younger marines, even if those younger marines are stronger.
- promotion is likely more difficult for Coby as he has beef with the fleet admiral from back in marineford.
- apart from the rocky port incident, he hasn't been deployed to anything major. Amazon lily could possibly be the first time post-skip where coby actually has an opportunity to shine. Unlike Luffy, Coby most likely doesn't have the ability to do whatever the fuck he wants.
the fact that he did this already proves that he most likely has one of the fastest growth rates in the series, with his being superseded possibly only by luffy.
The fact that he awakened CoO pre-skip and was trained by over two years for it by Garp means that his haki is likely stronger than Sanji's post skip.
He has also been portrayed as a future rival for luffy throughout the manga. In chapter 7, where Luffy and Coby go their separate ways, you even see a narration box stating neither luffy nor zoro realized that they made a serious mistake. This could only refer to them helping Coby become a marine.
Luffy also stated that he believed that Coby would be capable of one day becoming strong enough to fight him when they met in water 7.
"But they are friends". So was Garp and Roger. But ultimately, Coby will oppose Luffy in the final arcs of one piece. This is evident by the fact that Coby is going to participate in the capturing of Hancock, which will inevitably put him in direct odds with Luffy.
how could the panel be referring to Nami if Nami wasn't even introduced into the story yet?
also it says that they made a serious mistake, meaning the mistake already happened. Literally the only thing that had happened in the story so far was beating up Morgan and Coby joining the marines.
That chapter was about Coby joining the marines. I don't know what else it could possibly be referring to.
also it says that they made a serious mistake, meaning the mistake already happened. Literally the only thing that had happened in the story so far was beating up Morgan and Coby joining the marines.
That chapter was about Coby joining the marines. I don't know what else it could possibly be referring to.
Dude be real. They made a terrible mistake is referring to having no navigator. The Chapter is literally called Nami. The mistake is, is them not knowing where to go. The first few panels of the chapter are basically them talking about they got lost or was just wondering around; Objectively you are absolutely wrong.
I still think Blackbeard along with Moria will come during the end of the Wano war in order to kill a weakened or defeated Kaido and steal his devil fruit, there was a reason why Oda had Moria go to where Blackbeard was and I don't believe Oda would bring back Moria after a very long time just to kill him off panel.
Well it's possible that BB may go after Kaido and finish him both to get his df and to seal Moria's alliegance to him. Of course Moria still would not be loyal to him and will still turn on him once he gets the chance. If there is one thing that Blackbeard still hasn't understood even after his fight with Ace it's that it's not a good idea to ask someone to join your crew after you killed one of his loved ones.
Neko will bring WB Pirates remnants
( maybe not with Marco )
I expect Kaido and BM to go down in Wano
Katakuri becomes new BMP Captain
Shanks vs Teach ( mostly off paneled )
Strawhats 1v1 vs Blackbeard Pirates in Raftel
Zoro vs Shiryuu
Sanji vs Burgess
Monster Chopper vs San Juan Wolf
Brook vs Laffitte
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Franky vs Avalo Pizarro
Jinbe vs Vasco Shot
Usopp vs Van Augur
( maybe not with Marco )
I expect Kaido and BM to go down in Wano
Katakuri becomes new BMP Captain
Shanks vs Teach ( mostly off paneled )
Strawhats 1v1 vs Blackbeard Pirates in Raftel
Zoro vs Shiryuu
Sanji vs Burgess
Monster Chopper vs San Juan Wolf
Brook vs Laffitte
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Franky vs Avalo Pizarro
Jinbe vs Vasco Shot
Usopp vs Van Augur
I feel like Oda is making it hard on BB!
he doesn’t have any RPs so far so the only logical move BB has to do is to go to Toto land, Zou and Wano to steal the rubbing of these stones + whatever he is planning against marines/WG.... otherwise he would seem to be not doing well to become PK candidate...
he doesn’t have any RPs so far so the only logical move BB has to do is to go to Toto land, Zou and Wano to steal the rubbing of these stones + whatever he is planning against marines/WG.... otherwise he would seem to be not doing well to become PK candidate...
I do not find that Oda makes it hard on Blackbeard, from what I have seen of him Blackbeard seems to be the kind of guy whose main motivation is supreme power (to him being the Pirate King surely means being the most powerful pirate and man in the world) and who would first try to reinforce his own power by first getting the Yami Yami no mi instead of developping his own physical abilities and haki, who'd want to become a warlord and then recruits the most powerful prisonners of Impel Down to be sure that he has a very powerful crew and who'd steal the Gura Gura no mi and gives rare and powerful df to his crewmates.
However he's much less of a planner when it comes to practical issues as shown with him not having any recruiting criteria other than being strong with him asking Ace and Moria to join his crew, oblivious to the fact that they hate his guts for having killed one of their loved ones and will never have any loyalty to him, and recruiting super untrustworthy and unstable criminals in his crew or him completely failing to take in account the fact that Sanjuan Wolf can never fit on his raft.
So it would make sense if he chooses to go after an Ancient Weapon or another kind of super power first rather than making preparations to reach Raftel by getting Road Poneglyphs or copies of them.
However he's much less of a planner when it comes to practical issues as shown with him not having any recruiting criteria other than being strong with him asking Ace and Moria to join his crew, oblivious to the fact that they hate his guts for having killed one of their loved ones and will never have any loyalty to him, and recruiting super untrustworthy and unstable criminals in his crew or him completely failing to take in account the fact that Sanjuan Wolf can never fit on his raft.
So it would make sense if he chooses to go after an Ancient Weapon or another kind of super power first rather than making preparations to reach Raftel by getting Road Poneglyphs or copies of them.
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Maaaaaybe. I understand the hype that Moria returns due to his history with Wano, but part of me thinks the Blackbeard stuff is setup for the next/final conflict, however many years off that is. Kind of like how Fishman Island/Punk Hazard-Wano seems to be one big storyline (Jinbe joining, 2 Yonko getting pissed, Samurai storyline), I think whatever the next arc is will serve as the "beginning" of the final parts of One Piece. To me this will be significantly bigger than what came before, because if the man could spend 300+ chapters on Doflamingo, Big Mom and Kaido without even touching Blackbeard, Shanks, Revo's, CP-0, Im/Gorosei, Vegapunk/Kuma, then this next part will be significantly bigger.
Thats why I don't think BB is showing up here, but will be an extremely huge focus post-Wano.
Thats why I don't think BB is showing up here, but will be an extremely huge focus post-Wano.
I’m no Zoro fanboy, but Oda should have had Zoro recruit Asura by defeating him, prove his strength in the face of the Yakuza in Udon prisoners and Hyogoro instead of Luffy! I mean it’s not like Luffy wouldn’t be in there, but maybe plays a lesser rule and only shines when it came to the BM and haki improvement part...
I dont think we necessarily need a new thread for this topic, i just want to say what i think and see others opinions, whoever bothers to read it. Its regarding possible matchups between OP characters. Its long so ill put it in spoiler:
My main problem with these fan made matchups, between characters that were introduced in different parts of the journey, is that Oda keeps introducing new concepts to the story and we have powerful enemies falling along the way, so they later become laughting stocks for the fanbase with Crocodile being the most obvious. For example, lets say One Piece can be divided into 3 parts, early OP, inbetween (powerups to make the SHPs keep up, but no haki still) and Post TS haki haven. At 1st, it was supposed to be Luffy and his crew searching for Rogers treasure, while beating up bad guys that threaten his friends on the way. Then Robin and the poneglyphs came into the story, so now you have the government and its dark behind the scene schemes in your way, plus now its not the shichibukai that are the scariest, but 4 super pirates were revealed. We already knew about the shichibukai and Luffy tapped into that teritory during Alabasta, but we also saw Ace, and i could not grasp how someone as powerful as this guy is only the 2nd division commander for Whitebeard. Then Buggy told us that Whitebeard was Rogers rival so OK, it was understandable. But then Garp tells us hes only one of 4 such monsters...
But back to Luffy, so he beats Crocodile and Oda realized since he will extend the story further that the carrot he made Luffy chase is too close, and Luffy can stretch his arms and just take it, so he needs to further extend the gap, so far away that Snakemans Python couldnt even reach it. He expanded Luffys powers during EL so he could keep up with upcoming enemies, even though one of them was also a shichibukai like Crocodile. Then at Sabaody, they looked helpless against a human weapon built after (aka being a cheap ripoff copy of) another shichibukai. Then the timeskip happens, and Oda expanded on the idea he introduced just recently, haki. He invented hardening, he added FS later, he expanded on Rayleighs display of advanced CoA. And then if you look at the MF war, no one has shown any of this stuff, and earlier in the story no one even displayed the basics of it. Its Odas way of furthering the distance between the end goal and Luffy, and giving him stuff he can improve on to justify him reaching that end goal, but in this scenario characters like Crocodile, Enel, Moria look like fodder to even Doflamingo, if you just read the fights and have no clue whos who. After the timeskip Luffy causally one shots a pacifista, giving the impression that post TS Luffy >>>>> pacifista >>>>> pre TS Luffy (a stronger version of the guy that defeated Crocodile). Then in the Doflamingo fight Oda further widens the gap to pre TS, when he showed that a so much improved Luffy with haki couldnt even make Doffy say 'oh, that one hurt' (remember all of Luffys feats of strength and power pre TS, then use pacifista as measurement and see how much he improved, yet Doffy called him flat out weak), until G4 made Doffy jump around like a ping pong ball, giving the impression that G4 >>>>> Doffy >>>>> post TS Luffy, which would be fine if Doffy wasnt just another shichibukai like Croco. So is Doflamingo really THAT much stronger than Crocodile, a guy who challenged WB in the past and who clashed with fellow shichibukai, yonko commanders, an admiral and Doflamingo himself during MF? Ofcourse not, im sure if haki and gears were a thing in Alabasta, Oda would make Luffy use them and win with same difficulty, but they werent at the time so Oda just used the resources he had available to eliminate a threat that had to be taken out. Or so to say, Luffy (or any character really) is always as strong as Oda needs them to be.
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But back to Luffy, so he beats Crocodile and Oda realized since he will extend the story further that the carrot he made Luffy chase is too close, and Luffy can stretch his arms and just take it, so he needs to further extend the gap, so far away that Snakemans Python couldnt even reach it. He expanded Luffys powers during EL so he could keep up with upcoming enemies, even though one of them was also a shichibukai like Crocodile. Then at Sabaody, they looked helpless against a human weapon built after (aka being a cheap ripoff copy of) another shichibukai. Then the timeskip happens, and Oda expanded on the idea he introduced just recently, haki. He invented hardening, he added FS later, he expanded on Rayleighs display of advanced CoA. And then if you look at the MF war, no one has shown any of this stuff, and earlier in the story no one even displayed the basics of it. Its Odas way of furthering the distance between the end goal and Luffy, and giving him stuff he can improve on to justify him reaching that end goal, but in this scenario characters like Crocodile, Enel, Moria look like fodder to even Doflamingo, if you just read the fights and have no clue whos who. After the timeskip Luffy causally one shots a pacifista, giving the impression that post TS Luffy >>>>> pacifista >>>>> pre TS Luffy (a stronger version of the guy that defeated Crocodile). Then in the Doflamingo fight Oda further widens the gap to pre TS, when he showed that a so much improved Luffy with haki couldnt even make Doffy say 'oh, that one hurt' (remember all of Luffys feats of strength and power pre TS, then use pacifista as measurement and see how much he improved, yet Doffy called him flat out weak), until G4 made Doffy jump around like a ping pong ball, giving the impression that G4 >>>>> Doffy >>>>> post TS Luffy, which would be fine if Doffy wasnt just another shichibukai like Croco. So is Doflamingo really THAT much stronger than Crocodile, a guy who challenged WB in the past and who clashed with fellow shichibukai, yonko commanders, an admiral and Doflamingo himself during MF? Ofcourse not, im sure if haki and gears were a thing in Alabasta, Oda would make Luffy use them and win with same difficulty, but they werent at the time so Oda just used the resources he had available to eliminate a threat that had to be taken out. Or so to say, Luffy (or any character really) is always as strong as Oda needs them to be.
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Imo, Oda needs to explain the shit that happened with Kid's crew, and what the hell happened to Kaido
Kaido was always introduced as a cold blooded Beast
Moriah said he killed his entire crew
Kinemon said he boiled Oden alive
He freaking went to MF just to fight WB and the Marines are horrified to hear the news of his coming
Doffy stopped smiling and went panic when Law brought his name into their conversation
Law basically telling SH that Kaido is a monster
Hawkins, someone who does not faze when he's facing Kizaru, got scared shitless and joins Kaido without any resistance
Killer got broken and turned into Kamazou, forced to eat smile
and lastly, Kid asking Killer about their crew whereabouts as if they're all got killed or permanently deformed
now suddenly, Kid's crew is fine as hell and Killer doesn't even seems to have any permanent scars
Aside from his uncontrollable laughter, he's fine as hell
I call this bullshit just like I call Udon prison bullshit! Where the fuck is the cold blooded pirate emperor that was introduced before?
Kaido was always introduced as a cold blooded Beast
Moriah said he killed his entire crew
Kinemon said he boiled Oden alive
He freaking went to MF just to fight WB and the Marines are horrified to hear the news of his coming
Doffy stopped smiling and went panic when Law brought his name into their conversation
Law basically telling SH that Kaido is a monster
Hawkins, someone who does not faze when he's facing Kizaru, got scared shitless and joins Kaido without any resistance
Killer got broken and turned into Kamazou, forced to eat smile
and lastly, Kid asking Killer about their crew whereabouts as if they're all got killed or permanently deformed
now suddenly, Kid's crew is fine as hell and Killer doesn't even seems to have any permanent scars
Aside from his uncontrollable laughter, he's fine as hell
I call this bullshit just like I call Udon prison bullshit! Where the fuck is the cold blooded pirate emperor that was introduced before?