Character Discussion Why Sanji has more self respect as a fighter than Zoro, without even having fight oriented dream?

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

Lmao many times. The yeti Brothers come to mind

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You're lying. Reread the original post. When zoro gets Shusui he straight up says the attacks are stronger automatically. Just less control. A reoccurring theme eh?

He literally said about shusui's weight and that he absorb the other two slashes into one big one, that's why it was more powerful.
There is a real argument about the swords thought but no one has spoke about it yet lol..
Nothing like the abilities sanji gained through but still there is something.
Are you seriously believe that a case can be made about shortcuts and zoro is the one that outshines everyone of the M3?

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Oda: However, Sanji has become stronger by "the power of science"

Volume 103 SBS

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Volume 103 SBS

He said stronger not faster.

 

[BuggyDGod]

According to Lanji fans Shanks, Mihawk, WB, Roger are cheaters for using named/supreme grade weapons.

Keep coping. Talk to me when Garp starts using genetic enhancements. Lanji capped at Vergo level without cheating.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Serious.

Sanji doesn't have strength dream, so he can get stronger by gathering 7 dragonballs, wishing to be stronger and it still wouldn't ruin his character. Yet Oda writes him as this character who doesn't want a shortcuts to strength

Spoiler

Which is a total contrast compared to Zoro, who seeks out every possible shortcut to getting stronger, like magic swords. Which is jarring because his character is purely just about fighting and getting stronger, yet he has no self respect to get stronger with just normal swords

Spoiler

Zoro gets an unfair advantage to his road to WSS compared to his other rivals (whoever they are). There are very finite number of graded swords and only lucky people can get their hands on them and gain their powers. Not to mention Zoro gets 3 of them.
So if Zoro's other rivals weren't lucky enough to get a good graded sword, they are automatically at the massive disadvantage.

What if a future challenger that challenges Zoro for his WSS title and only loses by a hair because he had a normal sword, while Zoro had 3 legendary swords? Wouldn't that show how much better swordsman who didn't use magic swords is?

And no, the "Zoro needs to train with them" excuse doesn't work because the "training" is done offscreen, showing how little it takes and in return you gain so much more power than you could ever get with training with a normal sword.

Kozaburo calls normal swords "crap"

If Zoro actually followed his character, he should throw his magic swords away and use "crap" swords to be beat Mihawk and prove that he is WSS without needing magic swords and can do it using any swords.

I have no idea how you can be a fan of Zoro and like him using magic swords. Right now, the road to WSS title is just about who gets stronger swords

Damn I like your take on this I've never thought about it like this 🤔

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Lanji capped at Vergo level without cheating.

Finally someone that reads the damn manga! :cheers:

He said stronger not faster.

That's what it says, stronger, what's your point? Stronger thanks to his daddy and the speed which he didn't have comes with the package.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Mfw Sanji at full power without daddy's genetic amps is equal to the vice admiral that got no diffed by punk hazard Law

 

[comrade]

So the same Sanji that said he won't use Daddy's tech, immediately used it against Page 1 and later on against King. Only threw the tech away as he became disgusted by the fact he now got genetic enhancements from his Daddy for free.

Meanwhile, Zoro tames high quality swords with his own skill and power. At the beginning of receiving them, being nerfed as the sword acts wild.

So your point is, that Zoro has no self respect and cheats, because he accepts high quality swords? Note how he never traded his blades, e.g. changing Sandai Kitetsu to Nidai Kitetsu. When his original swords were destroyed by Mihawk, he told Tashigi to find him 2 cheap swords for 50.000 Berry each. Later winning Shusui in a battle against Ryuma and was then willing to trade Shusui (a black blade, which is classified as the finest) for Enma (which nerfed him) because Hiyori begged him to leave Shusui to Wano. When Tengu asked whether Zoro wants another sword which is easier to wield, Zoro disagreed, because he saw Enma as a chance to get stronger, accepting the cost.

 

[BillSlipton]

He literally said about shusui's weight and that he absorb the other two slashes into one big one, that's why it was more powerful.
There is a real argument about the swords thought but no one has spoke about it yet lol..
Nothing like the abilities sanji gained through but still there is something.
Are you seriously believe that a case can be made about shortcuts and zoro is the one that outshines everyone of the M3?

Lmaooooo no. He was talking about the sword making his attacks stronger. None of the bs you just now made up.

Sanji went solo dolo without magic upgrades all the way until just recently. 20+ years. Over a 1000 chapters and now he has a slight buff to his durability.

Sanji carried the m3 name on his back. With his superior physical strength and speed. His skill and mobility were just the cherry on top.

Fuck a df and fuck a magic sword. My boy sanji been whooping ass with just his legs since 98'

One upgrade to durability>4+ magic item upgrades>manifested destiny devil fruit nika

Cry

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Judge's son if he was real.

 

[gz89]

Lmaooooo no. He was talking about the sword making his attacks stronger. None of the bs you just now made up.

Sanji went solo dolo without magic upgrades all the way until just recently. 20+ years. Over a 1000 chapters and now he has a slight buff to his durability.

Sanji carried the m3 name on his back. With his superior physical strength and speed. His skill and mobility were just the cherry on top.

Fuck a df and fuck a magic sword. My boy sanji been whooping ass with just his legs since 98'

One upgrade to durability>4+ magic item upgrades>manifested destiny devil fruit nika

Cry

Sure he carried the M3 name by defeating an Okama in Alabasta and Jabra at EL. After that for 15 straight years all he did from EL until Wano was fighting Absalom, Wadatsumi with Jinbe's help, fucking nonstop nosebleeds, getting his leg cracked by Vergo, fodderized by Mingo, kicked his brothers and Oven. Very notable feats true.

 

[kurwa]

So the same Sanji that said he won't use Daddy's tech, immediately used it against Page 1

Yeah and?

and later on against King

He put it on in order to save Momo, yeah....what of it?

Only threw the tech away as he became disgusted by the fact he now got genetic enhancements from his Daddy for free

Yeah? He destroyed a power up that could have made him stronger than Big Mom since he claims it would've let him easily destroy Queen. Again, what about it?

Why are you deflecting to Sanji? I just used Sanji as an example of a character with no strength goal, having standards about using free power ups, unlike Zoro, who deep throats his power ups.

So your point is, that Zoro has no self respect and cheats, because he accepts high quality swords?

Yes, he uses magic swords, which give him powers and advantages he could never have with normal swords and training. And that disproves his goal about being WSS if he can't be WSS with just normal swords.

Note how he never traded his blades, e.g. changing Sandai Kitetsu to Nidai Kitetsu

Maybe because no one offered him?

When his original swords were destroyed by Mihawk, he told Tashigi to find him 2 cheap swords for 50.000 Berry each

and??? That's because that's how much money he had???

Later winning Shusui in a battle against Ryuma and was then willing to trade Shusui (a black blade, which is classified as the finest) for Enma (which nerfed him) because Hiyori begged him to leave Shusui to Wano

lmao, fuck off
In return he got a magical blade with a power to injure and scar Kaido, and also made him many times stronger by proxy because of wielding enma:

And it didn't nerf him, lmao. All he did to learn how to use it was hitting bamboo sticks offscreen
Wow, what an intense training...get me a tissue for my dick is crying for Zoro and his "intense training"

Imagine getting an infinity gauntlet and in order for you to use it, you need to swing it a couple times against a tree. You think that the power of infinity gauntlet is now deserved all because of couple of swings against the tree?

When Tengu asked whether Zoro wants another sword which is easier to wield, Zoro disagreed, because he saw Enma as a chance to get stronger, accepting the cost.

And why would Zoro give up magical blade that scarred Kaido and gives him magical powers?
What is your point, I don't understand? Are you saying Enma is not special or something? Are you saying his swords don't give him powers and stats? Why is he not using normal, fodder swords then?
How does this counter the argument that he's got magic swords that make him stronger?

And fuck off with your "B-But Zoro t-t-tamed Enma, w-which m-means it took m-massive power" cope
10 year old Oden was wielding Enma no problem. Taming Enma means getting used to it, no matter how powerful character is.

 

[zenox]

sanji dies touching enma ...

 

[mmd]

Just respect Garp

 

[AkagamiNoVinsmoke]

Serious.

Sanji doesn't have strength dream, so he can get stronger by gathering 7 dragonballs, wishing to be stronger and it still wouldn't ruin his character. Yet Oda writes him as this character who doesn't want a shortcuts to strength

Spoiler

Which is a total contrast compared to Zoro, who seeks out every possible shortcut to getting stronger, like magic swords. Which is jarring because his character is purely just about fighting and getting stronger, yet he has no self respect to get stronger with just normal swords

Spoiler

Zoro gets an unfair advantage to his road to WSS compared to his other rivals (whoever they are). There are very finite number of graded swords and only lucky people can get their hands on them and gain their powers. Not to mention Zoro gets 3 of them.
So if Zoro's other rivals weren't lucky enough to get a good graded sword, they are automatically at the massive disadvantage.

What if a future challenger that challenges Zoro for his WSS title and only loses by a hair because he had a normal sword, while Zoro had 3 legendary swords? Wouldn't that show how much better swordsman who didn't use magic swords is?

And no, the "Zoro needs to train with them" excuse doesn't work because the "training" is done offscreen, showing how little it takes and in return you gain so much more power than you could ever get with training with a normal sword.

Kozaburo calls normal swords "crap"

If Zoro actually followed his character, he should throw his magic swords away and use "crap" swords to be beat Mihawk and prove that he is WSS without needing magic swords and can do it using any swords.

I have no idea how you can be a fan of Zoro and like him using magic swords. Right now, the road to WSS title is just about who gets stronger swords

Funny thing about this is that Sanji got the benefits of his germa powers

 

[kurwa]

Funny thing about this is that Sanji got the benefits of his germa powers

and?

 

[Finalbeta]

Sanji should have respected his captain more

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Scratch the RS and Enma nonsense, at least Sanji didn't use his hands or shooting laser beams out of his mouth when Sanji has a power-ups. He stick with his usual fighting style which is leg martial art while Zoro was willing to do anything outside of swordsmanship as long as he can win (for example, he wants to chew King's throat).

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

author just confirmed the only thing sanji developed himself is haki and his fighting style,he's a lab rat got everything from his father because he couldnt keep up by himself

Which is funny, because everything special about Zoro comes from the fact that he is Ryuma’s descendant, lol

If Zoro wasn’t Ryuma sperm, he would never have surpassed Kyoshiro in strength, even if he trained for his entire life. Zoro owes everything to his lineage and nothing more.

 

[traxex123]

Scratch the RS and Enma nonsense, at least Sanji didn't use his hands or shooting laser beams out of his mouth when Sanji has a power-ups. He stick with his usual fighting style which is leg martial art while Zoro was willing to do anything outside of swordsmanship as long as he can win (for example, he wants to chew King's throat).

People call that "royal fighting style"