Character Discussion Why Sanji has more self respect as a fighter than Zoro, without even having fight oriented dream?

Who has more self respect for their strength?


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Yeah? He destroyed a power up that could have made him stronger than Big Mom since he claims it would've let him easily destroy Queen. Again, what about it?
I'm sorry, WHAT? Stronger than BIG MOM? Because of a RAID SUIT? What kind of copium are you overdosing on right now? Big Mom would destroy him. The only Straw Hats that would ever have a chance against her are Zoro and obviously Luffy. Hell, Luffy is the only one that has a chance of even beating her.
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Which is funny, because everything special about Zoro comes from the fact that he is Ryuma’s descendant, lol

If Zoro wasn’t Ryuma sperm, he would never have surpassed Kyoshiro in strength, even if he trained for his entire life. Zoro owes everything to his lineage and nothing more.
They never mentioned his genes being the source of his power. Unlike a certain someone who only high diffs Vergo without his daddy's genes and technology.
 
Which is funny, because everything special about Zoro comes from the fact that he is Ryuma’s descendant, lol

If Zoro wasn’t Ryuma sperm, he would never have surpassed Kyoshiro in strength, even if he trained for his entire life. Zoro owes everything to his lineage and nothing more.
But Zoro is a natural born human who trained his whole life.

Sanji needed bioengineering from childhood to be able to keep up. Zoro's 400 year old great great great great, etc grandpa has nothing to do with him. Especially since he doesn't even know if they are related.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
But Zoro is a natural born human who trained his whole life.

Sanji needed bioengineering from childhood to be able to keep up. Zoro's 400 year old great great great great, etc grandpa has nothing to do with him. Especially since he doesn't even know if they are related.
Zoro inherited conqueror’s Haki, without which he would’ve never beaten King or scarred Kaido. By definition conqueror’s Haki is an ability that you must be born with or else you’ll never receive it.

Meaning by definition, Zoro’s hard work and training are foolish illusions that only fools fall for. Zoro’s destiny was determined by his birth and lineage, Zoro’s own hard work has nothing to do with it lol.
 

Peroroncino

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Zoro inherited conqueror’s Haki, without which he would’ve never beaten King or scarred Kaido. By definition conqueror’s Haki is an ability that you must be born with or else you’ll never receive it.

Meaning by definition, Zoro’s hard work and training are foolish illusions that only fools fall for. Zoro’s destiny was determined by his birth and lineage, Zoro’s own hard work has nothing to do with it lol.
and you know ryuma has coc how?
 

Peroroncino

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Irrelevant. The point is that Zoro would’ve never achieved his current status without an ability he was born with, hence invalidating all of his “training and hard work.”
you mentioned ryuma though so how is it irrelevant?
also one can have conquerors haki but still be weak since even children can have it, so that ''it invalidates hard work and training'' is just nonsense
 
Which is funny, because everything special about Zoro comes from the fact that he is Ryuma’s descendant, lol

If Zoro wasn’t Ryuma sperm, he would never have surpassed Kyoshiro in strength, even if he trained for his entire life. Zoro owes everything to his lineage and nothing more.
Any proof of this? Are you perhaps one of odas illigitimate child, that you know the in and out of his manga?
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
you mentioned ryuma though so how is it irrelevant?
Because the point is that Zoro inherited CoC which he did not earn or train for, whether or not he got it from Ryuma or random chance is irrelevant. The point is that Zoro is just another destiny child who’s hard work and training is invalid now that Oda is giving him Powerups that he has not earned.

CoC is an ability based on random chance at birth, Zoro having such a power invalidated every second he has spent training.

Name one weak CoC user btw. Every single one we’ve met has been among the strongest in the New World, the weakest was probably Chinjao who was famed throughout the whole world in his youth, lol.
 

Peroroncino

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Because the point is that Zoro inherited CoC which he did not earn or train for, whether or not he got it from Ryuma or random chance is irrelevant. The point is that Zoro is just another destiny child who’s hard work and training is invalid now that Oda is giving him Powerups that he has not earned.

CoC is an ability based on random chance at birth, Zoro having such a power invalidated every second he has spent training.

Name one weak CoC user btw. Every single one we’ve met has been among the strongest in the New World, the weakest was probably Chinjao who was famed throughout the whole world in his youth, lol.
Imherited from who? For all we know it started with him lol
 
you could make the same argument when he had shusui which was already a maxxed out black blade
theres a reason mihawk, roger, wb are holding supreme blades mate

its not a shortcut cause these swords only allow themselves to be used by people who deserve to hold them.

really neither took a shortcut here (by choice anyway )....... but go off i guess.
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Imherited from who? For all we know it started with him lol
you are born with coc
nothing zoro could do to earn it

is the point .. that is genetic lottery
 
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