Character Discussion According to Vivre card, King is the head of All stars

[HA001]

Yeah? And Whitebeard's name isn't Whitebeard. The fuck are you talking about, lmfao?
Names were never ranks.

Proof?

And once again, you didn't answer the question.
If names are ranks, why did Kaido allow tobiroppo to challenge any All star?
If King is "right hand" "mr vice captain" "mr highest rank", why did Kaido allow tobiroppo to challenge him the same as Jack? Why does he have the same rank as Jack?

BECAUSE THATS HOW IT WORKS.
YOU CAN CLIMB THE LADDER BASED ON STRENGTH lmfao

Kaido himself said king be my right hand

Cry cry queen is a bum who can't even hurt king

When king and kaido lost they thought of the same thing

Queen nothing


That's as dumb as saying Ben isn't vc because he was grouped with Roo and yassop by the marines.

 

[kurwa]

BECAUSE THATS HOW IT WORKS.
YOU CAN CLIMB THE LADDER BASED ON STRENGTH lmfao

Yes and by your headcanon logic, they should only be allowed to challenge Jack
lmfao

Kaido himself said king be my right hand

Was Queen and Jack there when he said it?

That's as dumb as saying Ben isn't vc because he was grouped with Roo and yassop by the marines.

Wait wait wait, does Ben not have VC rank?
Do marines decide Beast Pirate rankings? What?

lmfao

 

[HA001]

Yes and by your headcanon logic, they should only be allowed to challenge Jack
lmfao

Was Queen and Jack there when he said it?



Wait wait wait, does Ben not have VC rank?
Do marines decide Beast Pirate rankings? What?

lmfao

Ben has vc rank

And King has right hand rank from kaido lmfao

Why should they be only able to challenge Jack ?

Queen gets stomped by King cope all you want

 

[kurwa]

Ben has vc rank

Yes, so what's the problem?

And King has right hand rank from kaido lmfao

Were Queen and Jack there when he declared that? Because from canon, he's only All star rank, meaning that all star rank = right hand.

Why should they be only able to challenge Jack ?

Because you are saying yourself that King's name is a rank
that he's a "right hand"

So why Kaido is allowing tobiroppo to challenge King and not just Jack? Aren't they supposed to be different rankings?
Isn't King supposed to be "Kaido's right hand"?

 

[HA001]

Yes, so what's the problem?

Were Queen and Jack there when he declared that? Because from canon, he's only All star rank, meaning that all star rank = right hand.

Because you are saying yourself that King's name is a rank
that he's a "right hand"

So why Kaido is allowing tobiroppo to challenge King and not just Jack? Aren't they supposed to be different rankings?
Isn't King supposed to be "Kaido's right hand"?

Lmfao where does it say all star is right hand ???

Kaido said it to King specifically

King's vc says it about him specifically.


That's the point Einstein if they beat King they are stronger then they take King

 

[kurwa]

Lmfao where does it say all star is right hand ???

It says in the story where King has the same rank as Jack and Queen and gets no special treatment from Kaido about being challenged for his All star spot by tobiroppo.

Kaido said it to King specifically

Again, answer me was Queen and Jack there when he said it?

King's vc says it about him specifically.

You mean shitty translations?

That's the point Einstein if they beat King they are stronger then they take King

Once again you didn't answer the quesiton.

If King is ranked above Jack, why is Kaido letting tobiroppo challenge King?

 

[SakazOuki]

It was never specified King held a higher rank afaik, Kaido probably trusted him the most. Even Jack seemed to have a brotherly relationship where they scold him if something goes wrong.

King and Queen were in the same boat.

 

[HA001]

It says in the story where King has the same rank as Jack and Queen and gets no special treatment from Kaido about being challenged for his All star spot by tobiroppo.

Again, answer me was Queen and Jack there when he said it?

You mean shitty translations?

Once again you didn't answer the quesiton.

If King is ranked above Jack, why is Kaido letting tobiroppo challenge King?

Lmfao so you're bullshitting.

All star doesn't mean shit

King is kaidos right hand as it says in the manga

Jack and Queen are nothing.

All translations of it say King is the right hand and STRONGEST all star


Cry more


Why not ? Anyone can challenge for every spot under kaido

 

[Zaretball]

King is stronger but in terms of rank he is equal to Jack and Queen.

 

[PortgasDMor]

Kaido allows the tobiroppo to challenge King because he is confident he would win. He kept up to his promise for decades and never lost a fight until Zoro came along.
King agrees because he is confident he would win. It would only further establish his position among his crew.

 

[Uncle Van]

King>Queen. That's it. All this talk about them being equal or King much stronger is just people wasting too much time. Neither side of the coin was supported. You literally can't cling to either side without picking and choosing what matters and what doesn't.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Beast Pirates were cool as shit
Everyone minus Ulti and Queen

 

[kumae]

The funny part of King's VC when came out was when the genius who claimed that zoro didn't clash with kaido literally said:please Anyone who is not a zorotard like aknolagon could translate King's VC correctly

 

[SakazOuki]

King>Queen. That's it. All this talk about them being equal or King much stronger is just people wasting too much time. Neither side of the coin was supported. You literally can't cling to either side without picking ans choosing what matters and what doesn't.

King > Queen is agreed on by both sides, but here people are debating whether King has authority over the other all stars which is something mentioned nowhere in the story nor implied whatsoever.

 

[HA001]

King > Queen is agreed on by both sides, but here people are debating whether King has authority over the other all stars which is something mentioned nowhere in the story nor implied whatsoever.

His vivre card liters says he's the leader of the All stars

 

[SakazOuki]

His vivre card liters says he's the leader of the All stars

Did a non zoro fan translate it
Official says eldest son of the all stars, which goes well with that way they were portrayed

 

[Boiroy]

King > Queen is agreed on by both sides, but here people are debating whether King has authority over the other all stars which is something mentioned nowhere in the story nor implied whatsoever.

I think I saw a guy who commented about how Queen will mid diff King with his laser or something lmao
Some Lanjitards are delusional af

 

[Blazing Lion]

Why are u disrespecting Jinbei 🥺

Hahahaha, sorry. To be honest though in a pure power scaling sense I would like to see your arguments for Jinbe > Sanji.

 

[PortgasDMor]

Did a non zoro fan translate it
Official says eldest son of the all stars, which goes well with that way they were portrayed

I'm a King fan. I like Zoro and Sanji equally and I don't care about all those power comparisons people are playing in this forum.
Since you were questioning the translation, and translation is pretty much my expertise (mainly English <-> Hebrew but in the last couple of years I've been translating the One Piece chapters from Japanese to Hebrew), I went looking for the Japanese VC, and found the word you're questioning. It is 筆頭.
That's what the best online dictionary says:
https://jisho.org/search/筆頭
1.brush tip 2. first on a list 3. head; chief

And btw, King is not the eldest among the All Stars, he is only 47 and Queen is older than him being 56.

 

[randomdude121]

Hyping Lunarians is synonymous with hyping King when he is the only known surviving Lunarian, doesn't matter how the guy got that power, the thing is his supposed rival/equal is hyping him up while they are shitting on each other normally, while the rival is fighting his own battle. People are so ready to parallel Zoro - Sanji with King - Queen. Remember how Sanji hyped Zoro prior to this fight, he said Zoro is equal to 10 men when healed up when he gave Chopper to heal Zoro. From this we can even say that Queen was actually lowballing King (the only Lunarian). Why are you comparing it Katakuri and BM pirates, he is one of the eldest guys out there (he is the 3rd or 4th eldest I think)? The situations are completely different, the structures while may seem similar due to commanders and officers, the culture is very different. In Beast Pirates strength is the only merit, while in BMPs there are also claims based on seniority.

Age is relevant, we did find them in the supplementary material (not going to get into value of vivre card and magazine things), but it does give us an idea and why sometimes certain things are important which are revealed in these extra materials.

Let me explain why I am talking about the age. When Kaido took over he already had King and Queen in his crew. As per wiki Beast Pirates was founded 33 years, King is 47 years old so King joined Kaido when he was 14. Somewhere between 33 and 28 Queen probably also joined before they took over Wano. So imagine a 23-28 year being below the rank of a 14-19 year old. At later ages the difference does not matter so much as the characters have generally attained their prime. Jinbe is 46 years old, Sanji is 21 but nobody (not trolling) says that Sanji will always be weaker than Jinbe. Age matters, growth rate matters, ranking within a hierarchy matters specially where strength is the only merit.

King > Queen > Jack
Zoro > Sanji > Jinbe

King has already been called the right hand, praised by Kaido for strength (who views strength as the only worthy thing) and named King for it and is also the first to join Kaido. Even after all this you wanna say that King is equal to Queen or he is not above Queen in the hierarchy then I have nothing more to say. Just as Zoro is above Sanji and often takes the role of the vice captain so does King but in King's situation it is further strengthened by the simple organizational hierarchy in which the only one above him is Kaido.

Hyping lunarians is different from hyping up a individual characters power one is acknowledging a particular advantage rather than an individual's strength. For example when they hyped Katakuri they hyped him as a individual specifically not his fruit or something else. Most people who know about lunarians will acknowledge king's advantage over fighting normal humans just like how Whitebeard was hyping lunarians to marco despite being stronger then them.

I bring up Katakuri because it shows how king is not seen in the same light. Katakuri acknowledged as the strongest by all. Hyped as an individual. Bounty is near no one. I dont see how BMP having a different structure than beast pirates matters. If Katakuri was younger would they be unwilling to acknowledge him as the strongest? What changes if he did not have seniority?

I dont see how your explanation proves age is relevant. What information did I gain by knowing King and Queens ages?

Kaido praised king before Queen even joined + he praised Jack who is weaker than queen it means nothing.

The problem with the hierarchy argument is King's placement does not give him special authority over Queen nor is he viewed by the rest of BP as a higher authority which is why you need to use vivre card as an argument because in story King is never potrayed as having a superior position. The beast pirates were capable of challenging King for his position along with the other allstars.

In terms of strength. King and queen are never differentiated by anyone who has fought them. Marco never points out king is superior nor does greenbull. Best case scenario for King is that he is slightly stronger than Queen extreme diff multiple day fight.