My Problem with femminist media types

So yeah.. those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are ANGRY and are sometime using generalities.

So.. When they say "ALL MEN ARE TRASH" it doesn't mean you are. It means that their is a SYSTEMIC ISSUE called patriarchy and that ALL MEN (and women) are living under that damocles and so are most likely to become problematic.

When, women say "all men are trash" do I feel ofended as a men ? No. I've learned how to understand those problems and fight my own sexist bias (and oh boi, I had a lot). By LEARNING to do this, I've pulled myself away from ever seeing me as "trash". So this word "theorically" DON'T APPLY to me.
This guy so spineless he excuses misandry lmao
 
Patriarchy is a sociological concept, you know ? Science.
I guess I may regret it but, I had to intervene here. Patriarchy is a feminist sociological concept. Just like materialism is a marxist historical concept.

Just like any theories and concept, it can be challenged. Like most people you seem to be applying this concept to the whole history of earth. Which is the first and biggest flaw of this concept. People using the word "patriarchy" in universities are feminist historians/biologist/sociologist/whatnot. They have a point of view and they usually say it in the introduction of their books. It's just like academics using the word "bourgeoisie", then it would be a marxist point of view.

It's alright to have a point of view over science. Every single scientist does. But there are point of views on every side, and truth is a bitch as it often jumps from the progressist side to the conservative and vice-versa.



Also, please people, just grab an epistemology book.
 
There are no such things as groups of feminist who cares about superiority of women. Those are individuals only and are maybe representing 0.000000000001 % of the feminism movement you are describing, I think I can count the member who shares those ideas I encountered in my life on my hand and I'm circling in pretty radical groups.

That idea is a sexist bias coming from incel like groups of people on the far right of the political spectrum and shared back by confusionnist from right to left because ...well... It's hard to look at yourself and think.. Are those feminist RIGHT ? Am I really the problem ??


"NOOOoooooooooo.... Surefuly not.... I can't be the problem. I've been good all my life... I'm not sexist, I know women.... I have no racist or sexist bias... i'm good to women"

I'm NOT a monster. Those """""feminist""""" are wrong.

Well.. I'm sure this is 99% of the opinion of this forum. (I'll would bet my account on it (lol) )

Thing is..

You are and I'M.

Not a monster of course. No, just someone born in a sexist society. And those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here, are just trying to convince you of that. And trying (for their sake and their live) to make you understand that .. yes. ALL MEN (and some women too) in the world HAVE sexist bias. That sexism is the result of HUNDREDS of years of destruction of the role of women in society, starting with sedenterization up until now. So.. Weither you like it or not. That fact is not something you can control but the REST and what you do with that fact IS.



And those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are .. yes.. ANGRY. And logically. Plus, those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are backed up by numbers, science and FACTS..

STILL..

There is an army of racist and bigot sexist lead by an orange pumpkin who is coming for THEM and THEIR LIVES and what do the average centrist says ?

"SJW are just leftist sexists"

So yeah.. those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are ANGRY and are sometime using generalities.

So.. When they say "ALL MEN ARE TRASH" it doesn't mean you are. It means that their is a SYSTEMIC ISSUE called patriarchy and that ALL MEN (and women) are living under that damocles and so are most likely to become problematic.

When, women say "all men are trash" do I feel ofended as a men ? No. I've learned how to understand those problems and fight my own sexist bias (and oh boi, I had a lot). By LEARNING to do this, I've pulled myself away from ever seeing me as "trash". So this word "theorically" DON'T APPLY to me.

Do you understand this principle or not ?

Stop being offended when a women or a political influencer blocks you on twitter, you most likely did something problematic without being aware of it.


No.

Women don't have more rights than men.

No.

Their is still no equality between men and women.

Yes.

The society is sexist and you can ALL do something about it.

Yes.

EVEN ONE PIECE has sexist aspect starting with the representation of women and men.

Spoiler: The representation of men as muscular is not based on what women want to see, it's based on what MEN want to become.




And yes it can.

A show can be bad SOLELY because of the value propagated in it.


REMEMBER:

EVERY

STORY

IS

POLITICAL.

So, a story based on poor value WILL be bad. There is a reason you don't see FULL ON racist shows. It's not because Hollywood has all the market. It's because those show CAN'T BE SELLED. Those type of shows are not accepted in our occidental society. Why ? because weither you like it or not, our society is evolving, and what was acceptable yersteday (sexism / Racism) is not acceptable today.

The problem is ... this is not a deterministic evolution.. It can go both way. And by creating those type of thread.. Well, you are making our society go back.

----

I'll look closely at the replies on this post, the next will be ressources to understand the problem.

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There are no such things as groups of feminist who cares about superiority of women. Those are individuals only and are maybe representing 0.000000000001 % of the feminism movement you are describing, I think I can count the member who shares those ideas I encountered in my life on my hand and I'm circling in pretty radical groups.

That idea is a sexist bias coming from incel like groups of people on the far right of the political spectrum and shared back by confusionnist from right to left because ...well... It's hard to look at yourself and think.. Are those feminist RIGHT ? Am I really the problem ??


"NOOOoooooooooo.... Surefuly not.... I can't be the problem. I've been good all my life... I'm not sexist, I know women.... I have no racist or sexist bias... i'm good to women"

I'm NOT a monster. Those """""feminist""""" are wrong.

Well.. I'm sure this is 99% of the opinion of this forum. (I'll would bet my account on it (lol) )

Thing is..

You are and I'M.

Not a monster of course. No, just someone born in a sexist society. And those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here, are just trying to convince you of that. And trying (for their sake and their live) to make you understand that .. yes. ALL MEN (and some women too) in the world HAVE sexist bias. That sexism is the result of HUNDREDS of years of destruction of the role of women in society, starting with sedenterization up until now. So.. Weither you like it or not. That fact is not something you can control but the REST and what you do with that fact IS.



And those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are .. yes.. ANGRY. And logically. Plus, those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are backed up by numbers, science and FACTS..

STILL..

There is an army of racist and bigot sexist lead by an orange pumpkin who is coming for THEM and THEIR LIVES and what do the average centrist says ?

"SJW are just leftist sexists"

So yeah.. those EXTREMIST FEMINISTS you guys are denouncing here are ANGRY and are sometime using generalities.

So.. When they say "ALL MEN ARE TRASH" it doesn't mean you are. It means that their is a SYSTEMIC ISSUE called patriarchy and that ALL MEN (and women) are living under that damocles and so are most likely to become problematic.

When, women say "all men are trash" do I feel ofended as a men ? No. I've learned how to understand those problems and fight my own sexist bias (and oh boi, I had a lot). By LEARNING to do this, I've pulled myself away from ever seeing me as "trash". So this word "theorically" DON'T APPLY to me.

Do you understand this principle or not ?

Stop being offended when a women or a political influencer blocks you on twitter, you most likely did something problematic without being aware of it.


No.

Women don't have more rights than men.

No.

Their is still no equality between men and women.

Yes.

The society is sexist and you can ALL do something about it.

Yes.

EVEN ONE PIECE has sexist aspect starting with the representation of women and men.

Spoiler: The representation of men as muscular is not based on what women want to see, it's based on what MEN want to become.




And yes it can.

A show can be bad SOLELY because of the value propagated in it.


REMEMBER:

EVERY

STORY

IS

POLITICAL.

So, a story based on poor value WILL be bad. There is a reason you don't see FULL ON racist shows. It's not because Hollywood has all the market. It's because those show CAN'T BE SELLED. Those type of shows are not accepted in our occidental society. Why ? because weither you like it or not, our society is evolving, and what was acceptable yersteday (sexism / Racism) is not acceptable today.

The problem is ... this is not a deterministic evolution.. It can go both way. And by creating those type of thread.. Well, you are making our society go back.

----

I'll look closely at the replies on this post, the next will be ressources to understand the problem.

 
I guess I may regret it but, I had to intervene here. Patriarchy is a feminist sociological concept. Just like materialism is a marxist historical concept.

Just like any theories and concept, it can be challenged. Like most people you seem to be applying this concept to the whole history of earth. Which is the first and biggest flaw of this concept. People using the word "patriarchy" in universities are feminist historians/biologist/sociologist/whatnot. They have a point of view and they usually say it in the introduction of their books. It's just like academics using the word "bourgeoisie", then it would be a marxist point of view.

It's alright to have a point of view over science. Every single scientist does. But there are point of views on every side, and truth is a bitch as it often jumps from the progressist side to the conservative and vice-versa.



Also, please people, just grab an epistemology book.
You are right in the sence that just like any theories and concept, it can be challenged. But it's a sociological and anthropological concept before being a feminist one.

But I hear you on the criticizism


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Self reflecting here ?
 
Taking mha was probably worst example they should have said not to watch this dumb series at all.

Even Eiichirou oda would have got cancelled if he were in west the media would have made sure his career would have been finished.

I think its more about hypocrisy of western media when they force culture appropriation when Japanese themselves have no problem. Honestly west needs to respect how other culture works .

I think feminist media is a bogeyman word for alt right and nothing to do with article.
 
Then don’t go around assuming how or what I am because I called you out on your bullshit. Defending women being misandrist is fucking pathetic, hate is hate. It’s like a when white people defend being racist towards white people, you look like losers to all of us
Again, don't go whatabout it the subject here. The subject was feminism and sexism not racism. So I stand on my words, you must feel so unsafe as a MAN to see misandry on twitter.. it must be so hard...
 
Again, don't go whatabout it the subject here. The subject was feminism and sexism not racism. So I stand on my words, you must feel so unsafe as a MAN to see misandry on twitter.. it must be so hard...
1. It’s not whataboutism, look up the term before throwing it around confidently. I am using a fair comparison to get my point across

2. People being racist online doesn’t make me feel unsafe in real life either, but I sure as hell don’t go around excusing it
 
He's so delusioned by ideology that he does not understand the irony of his posts
he says it must be tough as a man cause misandry on twitter

Then thinks misogyny is bad cause shit on twitter
 
Feminism was turned into shit within the past few years. Today everyone is being extremist and antagonising the perceived 'enemy' (like left vs right bs)
I would say real issue kindagot hijacked. The original feminist no longer associate with current movement .

#metoo kinda exploded how underprivileged women had with powerful men at front end result nothing much progressed.

I would say feminism at core still have issue but current movement kinda got divereted and its sad.
 
must be so hard as a women, King of projection at it again
It is, that's the point mate.


1. It’s not whataboutism, look up the term before throwing it around confidently. I am using an a fair comparison to get my point across
We are talking about sexism, you are talking about racism to deny the point. It's whataboutism.


People being racist online doesn’t make me feel unsafe in real life either
Good for you.
 
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