There is nothing that is inherently masculine about being toxic. It's all just toxic behavior in general. These traits aren't even predominantly observed in most men. What they're doing is taking a small portion of toxic people, most of which happened to be men, and using it as a metric to establish these toxic behaviors are masculine traits. It's no different from saying being a pilot is a masculine job because most pilots are men. I am pretty sure the same people who're advocating the term toxic masculinity would bitch about it if you say being a pilot is a man's job.
It is mostly in men because you keep looking mostly at men for it
Men are more prone to physical harm wheres women are more prone to emotional harm
So when you use Toxic Masculinity term all you are doing is taking a small % of men that act a certain way and labelling it, while ignoring the female part of population that does the same thing
So next time you wanna say Masculine toxicity, just say toxicity, because being a toxic person isn't men exclusive
No, it is mostly, men. That's just how the reality is. Now I understand you feel threaten by the idea but it doesn't mean you can't do nothing about it.
No it's completely different. And pilot is not a men's job. Toxic masculinity is the social description of a REAL phenomenon. Stop trying to disprove it and try to have an healthy masculinity instead. Because here, you are proving me you don't.
There is nothing that is inherently masculine about being toxic. It's all just toxic behavior in general. These traits aren't even predominantly observed in most men
So when you use Toxic Masculinity term all you are doing is taking a small % of men that act a certain way and labelling it, while ignoring the female part of population that does the same thing
Again, no, Toxic masculinity is the descriptive of a REAL social behavior, weither you like it or not. You can throw al the mascu myth at my face all you want, men in our society are more violent, more agressive and more toxic. That's a FACT.
That's not because they are born that way, it's because they are RAISED that way.
By trying to disprove that men are "not that bad" you are just coming in the way of progress and the actual progression of the masculinity.
Stop being a douch and letting your incel self free and educate yourself on the real value of having an healthy masculinity.
No, it is mostly, men. That's just how the reality is. Now I understand you feel threaten by the idea but it doesn't mean you can't do nothing about it.
Dude i work at court of law for last 2 years while before that i worked in a social center for 3 years.
I have seen worst of the worst on both sides and when it comes to toxicity it has no gender. It just has toxicity. I've seen fathers leave their kids, mothers stab them, both just giving up and go do drugs while kid sleeps in a piss infested bed
Toxic masculinity and Toxic feminity are the same shit - because it is same shit people
You just wanna cause more divide between genders for no reason
"I've seen" is not a worthy way to develop an argumentary about systematical violence and toxicity.
Plus you are mixing up people in normal needs and those in problematic situation. You should know that poverty and situation of needs increase the potential for violences.
No, it's not, that's completely different. And like I said, toxic masculinity is meant to describe a REAL world phenomenon, Toxic feminity describes NOTHING.
By udnerstanding that their is toxic masculinity, we are able to divide the toxic from the healthy masculinity. In short we are making better men who can live safely with women.
What you are doing, is trying to stop that process. Again, stop being a douch.
No it's completely different. And pilot is not a men's job. Toxic masculinity is the social description of a REAL phenomenon. Stop trying to disprove it and try to have an healthy masculinity instead. Because here, you are proving me you don't.Yes they are. Weither you like it or not, that's a reality.
The logic being used in both cases is the same without the distant shadow of a doubt. If you describe toxic behaviors as inherently masculine because most of the people exhibiting those behavioral traits are men, then you can call piloting a male job using the same logic because it's a fact that most pilots are men. No one said toxic behavior isn't a well-observed phenomenon. Toxic people are real, and there are more toxic men than women if we're to take the description in the video you've posted at face value. It's when you attribute these traits to a certain gender that logic gets thrown out of the window.
You don't refer to stem fields as male professions just because most engineers in the world are men. You don't call politics a male profession just because most politicians in the world are men. You don't call nursing a female profession just because most nurses in the world are women. The same logic applies here too.
I agree partially. Nowadays there are too many people who don't give a fuck about equality and just wanted a supremacy that benefits them. I'm gay and I've met gay guys and also straight females who think like that. A former friend of mine (female) basically wanted all men to die. She didn't OPENLY say it, but I was her friend long enough to read between the lines.
No, it is mostly, men. That's just how the reality is. Now I understand you feel threaten by the idea but it doesn't mean you can't do nothing about it.
No it's completely different. And pilot is not a men's job. Toxic masculinity is the social description of a REAL phenomenon. Stop trying to disprove it and try to have an healthy masculinity instead. Because here, you are proving me you don't.
Yes they are. Weither you like it or not, that's a reality.
No. That's a mascu myth
Again, no, Toxic masculinity is the descriptive of a REAL social behavior, weither you like it or not. You can throw al the mascu myth at my face all you want, men in our society are more violent, more agressive and more toxic. That's a FACT.
That's not because they are born that way, it's because they are RAISED that way.
By trying to disprove that men are "not that bad" you are just coming in the way of progress and the actual progression of the masculinity.
Stop being a douch and letting your incel self free and educate yourself on the real value of having an healthy masculinity.
Why TF did I ever remove this person from my ignore list again? No arguments. Just misandry disguised as facts with little to no evidence and hypocritical, cyclical, fallacious arguments.
The logic being used in both cases is the same without the distant shadow of a doubt. If you describe toxic behaviors as inherently masculine because most of the people exhibiting those behavioral traits are men, then you can call piloting a male job using the same logic because it's a fact that most pilots are men. No one said toxic behavior isn't a well-observed phenomenon. Toxic people are real, and there are more toxic men than women if we're to take the description in the video you've posted at face value. It's when you attribute these traits to a certain gender that logic gets thrown out of the window.
You don't refer to stem fields as male professions just because most engineers in the world are men. You don't call politics a male profession just because most politicians in the world are men. You don't call nursing a female profession just because most nurses in the world are women. The same logic applies here too.
It's the same reason women in science are often missrepresentated: Sexist bias. The famous case of Einstein and his wife are a good representation of that problem.
You really are trying to explain everything about gender with feminist theories only. Only one side of the coin I'm afraid. Truth isn't a partisan issue.
Gender, Race, Nationality, Ethnicity, etc
They'll always be bickering on these in one way or the other.
Men or Women, we're all humans first. No point in branding one group or the other.
They're some bad examples in every segment but that doesn't mean we can just paint a whole group in that light.
"Some part of Society" towards "Some groups"
Cant just put the whole society there. There will always be a good part where there is some bad.
I wouldn't describe it, it describes no systemic issue. Therefore it doesn't exist. Until you understand that I'm describing the use of the word in front of a systemic issue, you will have a problem understanding toxic masculinty.
Again, you don't understand. Those toxic behavior are not inherantly masculine, they are OBSERVED in MAJORITY in men. That's not a birth things, that's a SOCIAL thing. Men are not born evil, they are raised sexist and therefore mostly depict toxic behavior that female don't or in minority. Hence why we call those behavior "toxic masculinity".
Same as your pal : Until you understand that I'm describing the use of the word in front of a systemic issue, you will have a problem understanding toxic masculinty.
Yes, hence why we call that "toxic masculinity". The social importance of the phenomenon in men is enough to describe it as a gender based. Again, you need to understand that this is a sociological description not a term that describe a behavior inherant to a gender.
Now, Read carefully what I will be writing here because this is important.
The social description of a behavior is important to understand a phenomenone.
Why ? Because by not linking the word to masculinity, you CAN'T understand the link between those toxic behavior and the fallacious vision of masculinity that creates those behavior in majority in men. Do you understand ?
There is a link between the vision created by an poor education on masculinity and the toxic behavior seen in majority in male. That's a sociological fact. Hence why we need to call that "toxic masculinity".
In short the term "Toxic masculinity" permits us to separate what is toxic in masculinities (for example, raising a boy by telling him that men don't cry) from what is non-toxic in the masculinities (for example, raising a kid in the vision that men and women are equals). Therefore permitting us to creates globally more positive behaviors in men and decreasing the number of toxic abuse between men and women but ALSO between men themself.
You can also explain gender through the scope of gender studies, but that not a field of mine so it would be difficult for me to really make you guys understand some principles. There are plenty of feminism specialized in those sociological domain, I suggest you go follow them. Tho I can't really give you names, as I mainly follow french feminists.
You slipped twice so maybe this will motivate you:
Some of the people C4N talked down to for "toxic masculinity" were females unbeknownst to him. So C4N, the male and self proclaimed feminist, talked down to and belittled female users for thinking differently, saying how much they should educate themselves. Does it help lol?
You slipped twice so maybe this will motivate you:
Some of the people C4N talked down to for "toxic masculinity" were females unbeknownst to him. So C4N, the male and self proclaimed feminist, talked down to and belittled female users for thinking differently, saying how much they should educate themselves. Does it help lol?
The way Johnny depp was hounded and losing his career to false allegation levelled by amber heard , The laws definitely needs protection for men if false allegations are leveled against them.
Honestly not all woman are bad , also false allegations will be huge defeat to woman's movement who were striving hard against physical abuse.
Some of the people C4N talked down to for "toxic masculinity" were females unbeknownst to him. So C4N, the male and self proclaimed feminist, talked down to and belittled female users for thinking differently, saying how much they should educate themselves. Does it help lol?
Perhaps you are mixing up explaination for a patronization. As I explained multiple time toxic masculinity is not inherant to male. This is a behavior female can depict to as it is related to the vision of masculinities.
Plus, not all women are aware of those subject, if that wasn't the case you wouldn't have women rooting for an orange pumpkin.
So yeah.. I think you are out of your zone again here.
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