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Lmao, who is deciding these arbitrary rules? Most of the straw hats joined the crew before they even stepped foot on the ship. So where does this "It's what happens on the Sunny" rule magically appear from where we discard previous showings.
Jinbe demonstrated his helming in front of Luffy, and there was zero reaction. Jinbe was presenting his skills right before Luffy when they were needed the most, rushing to Ace's aid. Yet...absolutely nothing.
Jinbe's helming skills are shown off in a situation specifically created to do that. Carrot is now heading into a circumstance that could very easily become an opportunity for her to show what she can do too. Let's not forget about the minks were able to totally hide their presence from even Luffy. Carrot has great potential for some stealth, scout, look out showings in the coming chapters.
Evidence with Jinbe, Oda's not always consistent when it comes to these showings and if he wants to suddenly reveal a talent of hers, he can.
Anyone can open their eyes. There's only one helm. But even so, Carrot was the one up in the crows nest, the actual lookout position on the ship.
Again with these made up rules to suit your argument. Why on earth should we discard what characters show when they're off the ship? As I said before, most of the straw hats were already straw hats by the time they first stepped onto the ship.
The difference being that Carrot has been with the main cast for nearly 200 chapters. For a totally unexplained reason. Oda's been developing her relationships with the members of the crew, and her actual story arc is literally tied to gaining a greater understanding of the straw hat crew as a whole and what it will do.
You mention Carrot might fight Perospero, (which I agree with btw), which is funny because you call Perospero not exactly an outstanding villain of the arc, but he's one of the strongest mid tiers there are on the enemy side.
The flying 6 introduced this chapter seem like potential enemies for the straw hats outside of the M3, and with Carrot fighting an enemy from the BMP on par with them, that's awfully funny, right? Fighting a significant opponent and potentially the 3rd strongest BMP present on the island, excluding the meme herself.
Paulie was a genuine red-herring. Oda already told us someone would be joining so he baited readers with Paulie to hide Franky. There is literally no other realistic candidate other than Carrot so you know this wouldn't be bait, but the real deal.
Jinbe demonstrated his helming in front of Luffy, and there was zero reaction. Jinbe was presenting his skills right before Luffy when they were needed the most, rushing to Ace's aid. Yet...absolutely nothing.
Jinbe's helming skills are shown off in a situation specifically created to do that. Carrot is now heading into a circumstance that could very easily become an opportunity for her to show what she can do too. Let's not forget about the minks were able to totally hide their presence from even Luffy. Carrot has great potential for some stealth, scout, look out showings in the coming chapters.
Evidence with Jinbe, Oda's not always consistent when it comes to these showings and if he wants to suddenly reveal a talent of hers, he can.
Anyone can open their eyes. There's only one helm. But even so, Carrot was the one up in the crows nest, the actual lookout position on the ship.
Again with these made up rules to suit your argument. Why on earth should we discard what characters show when they're off the ship? As I said before, most of the straw hats were already straw hats by the time they first stepped onto the ship.
The difference being that Carrot has been with the main cast for nearly 200 chapters. For a totally unexplained reason. Oda's been developing her relationships with the members of the crew, and her actual story arc is literally tied to gaining a greater understanding of the straw hat crew as a whole and what it will do.
You mention Carrot might fight Perospero, (which I agree with btw), which is funny because you call Perospero not exactly an outstanding villain of the arc, but he's one of the strongest mid tiers there are on the enemy side.
The flying 6 introduced this chapter seem like potential enemies for the straw hats outside of the M3, and with Carrot fighting an enemy from the BMP on par with them, that's awfully funny, right? Fighting a significant opponent and potentially the 3rd strongest BMP present on the island, excluding the meme herself.
Paulie was a genuine red-herring. Oda already told us someone would be joining so he baited readers with Paulie to hide Franky. There is literally no other realistic candidate other than Carrot so you know this wouldn't be bait, but the real deal.
And as I pointed out, neither was Jinbe. Until all of a sudden it was revealed that he was exceptional.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
And she acts kinda like a granddaughter to Brook giving her a piggyback, calling her madam etc. She fits into the lil sister of the crew role too well it's almost scary. That's a role that's even missing. From Oda's comments in a SBS via the wiki:
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
- Monkey D. Luffy: Fourth son
- Roronoa Zoro: First son
- Nami: Daughter
- Usopp: Third son
- Sanji: Second son
- Tony Tony Chopper: Youngest Son
- Nico Robin: Mother
- Franky: Father
- Brook: Grandfather
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
She has bonded with Chopper mostly, with Sanji she had little interaction after Pedro died. Luffy is still the key and hes still indifferent towards her.
I wont comment about the family stuff, you can fit anyone into that.
Her 'dream' or desire has been told, i dont see how you can expand that. Unless you give her a different one altogether, but at this point of her story? It could have happened much much earlier.
Shes not just a work in progress, shes a work that has just begun to be worked on, if you look at her as a Strawhat. If you look at her as a supporting character, shes been written perfectly fine
Robin from the beginning was intriguing, the villans partner trying to help them before LG, letting Sanji into Rainbase, ssving Luffys life, she was operating on a different scale to the other villans the whole time, so her plot twist and dream was not out of the blue. Her role was crucial to the arc, Carrots role on either arc so far cant even begin to compare. Robin got on the ship because after she didnt die, she had no place to go. Luffy naturally immediately picked up and says its fine. Carrot hid in the ship because she thought it would be fun to go to the sea. I mean, the only similarity is that they both hid, everything else is worlds apart
I said a dream "relating" to seeing the world. Not solely to see the world.
Laboon was at the entrance of paradise from Reverse Mountain. It's easier to just sail back through Paradise (they hadn't even reached halfway by the time they met Brook), than to cross the Red Line, survive through the entirety of the yonko controlled New World and then cross over the Red Line AGAIN to get to Laboon.
She bonded with Chopper, Sanji, Brook and Nami, as I originally stated.
And don't get it wrong. Luffy's certainly not indifferent towards Carrot. He obviously likes her as a character, but simply hasn't shown the level of enthusiasm for her as he did for some of the other members.
Where did she state what her dream was?
Not true for countless reasons listed in this thread. Some even recently. Oda started working on her since she snuck onboard.
Laboon was at the entrance of paradise from Reverse Mountain. It's easier to just sail back through Paradise (they hadn't even reached halfway by the time they met Brook), than to cross the Red Line, survive through the entirety of the yonko controlled New World and then cross over the Red Line AGAIN to get to Laboon.
She bonded with Chopper, Sanji, Brook and Nami, as I originally stated.
And don't get it wrong. Luffy's certainly not indifferent towards Carrot. He obviously likes her as a character, but simply hasn't shown the level of enthusiasm for her as he did for some of the other members.
Where did she state what her dream was?
Not true for countless reasons listed in this thread. Some even recently. Oda started working on her since she snuck onboard.
Robin was a supporting antagonist with a mystery of a hidden agenda. Carrot is a supporting protagonist and an anomaly in the series. There being no real reason for her to have come to WCI, and once she was there she got the 6th highest panel count in the entire arc, beating out multiple members of the actual crew. Had it revealed that she had the words of the pirate king passed down to her by her mentor. Became linked to a plot relating to the straw hats and their bringing of the dawn, an event waited upon for centuries implied to shake the entire world.
The minks were already connected to the dawn. By Pedro dying and his final words being an insight to Carrot on the nature of the straw hats and the dawn, you can bet that something ought to come of that plot, otherwise why bother in the first place when the minks were already connected to it? By including the whole Pedro thing, it strengthens the bond of that plot to Carrot.
The minks were already connected to the dawn. By Pedro dying and his final words being an insight to Carrot on the nature of the straw hats and the dawn, you can bet that something ought to come of that plot, otherwise why bother in the first place when the minks were already connected to it? By including the whole Pedro thing, it strengthens the bond of that plot to Carrot.
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How do you sail back through Paradise, when the log is heading you to Sabaody?
Bonding with Luffy is key, as i originally stated.
Luffy likes a lot of characters and (save for a few gags here and there) only invites those he feels are special. A number of "Carrots" were left behind so far.
So whats her dream? Zou, arc about minks, we get Inu, Neko, Pedro, Shilishian... Carrot gets 2 moments in the arc, one is jumping to find Luffy, the other is dodging Zoro. Thats it. When they meet Luffy he says "a dog?". And thats about it, nothing else. She sneaked on the Sunny so she got a chance in WCI, and she still was left in the dust by others. Pudding, a enemy got more characterization and panel time than her. In Wano shes like @___@. When are we getting 1. Her own character related arc and 2. Her dream/ambition revealed?
You say Oda started working on her, but whats different from when we 1st saw her? Pedro died, that the only thing that changed. In 3 arcs thats all the development he invested in her
Bonding with Luffy is key, as i originally stated.
Luffy likes a lot of characters and (save for a few gags here and there) only invites those he feels are special. A number of "Carrots" were left behind so far.
So whats her dream? Zou, arc about minks, we get Inu, Neko, Pedro, Shilishian... Carrot gets 2 moments in the arc, one is jumping to find Luffy, the other is dodging Zoro. Thats it. When they meet Luffy he says "a dog?". And thats about it, nothing else. She sneaked on the Sunny so she got a chance in WCI, and she still was left in the dust by others. Pudding, a enemy got more characterization and panel time than her. In Wano shes like @___@. When are we getting 1. Her own character related arc and 2. Her dream/ambition revealed?
You say Oda started working on her, but whats different from when we 1st saw her? Pedro died, that the only thing that changed. In 3 arcs thats all the development he invested in her
And as I pointed out, neither was Jinbe. Until all of a sudden it was revealed that he was exceptional.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
And she acts kinda like a granddaughter to Brook giving her a piggyback, calling her madam etc. She fits into the lil sister of the crew role too well it's almost scary. That's a role that's even missing. From Oda's comments in a SBS via the wiki:
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
- Monkey D. Luffy: Fourth son
- Roronoa Zoro: First son
- Nami: Daughter
- Usopp: Third son
- Sanji: Second son
- Tony Tony Chopper: Youngest Son
- Nico Robin: Mother
- Franky: Father
- Brook: Grandfather
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
There is several islands in between, you need eternal poses and then you need to find your way to RM wihout one. Hed also be all alone by himself, and he wanted to do it so until Luffy convinced him to come along. Hed reach Laboon eventually either way, and he was a goal for the Strawhats as well, so it made sense.
Huh, how is it the opposite. Look at every crewmember so far. Everyone got a character arc and got to bond with Luffy on panel. Carrot got neither
Huh, how is it the opposite. Look at every crewmember so far. Everyone got a character arc and got to bond with Luffy on panel. Carrot got neither
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