General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Yeah, I agree Carrot will need more than fighting Perospero for revenge. And like has been pointed out, there's reason to suggest that she will.
Kin emon's learnt that trusting others doesn't equal bad and can be the way to progress in life. That's literally the significance behind his and Momo's plead in the whale tree. He fully understands that already.
Understand the true history of Wano and the Kozuki, who were the creators of the ponegliffs? Hmm...that sounds very familiar. Oh I know...It's because it's complete and utter btech version of Robin's dream. I know with the scabbards and Oden, Oda had been slacking, but to literally copy and paste the same dream for 2 straw hats?? C'mon... At least Robin has the means to actual pursue her dream. Kin emon would be a useless tag along just there to leech off Robin's information.
Momo's age most certainly is not irrelevant. Although he's trying, he's still bloody 8 years old. Of course he needs advisors when it was literally due to the shogun being taken advantage off that led to Wano's demise in the first place. And Kin emon is the no.1 retainer. What about Kin emon's wife who he hasn't seen for 20 years? He's just gonna ditch her too? And no, Momo is not gonna carry out things on his own like his clown of a father. That's precisely how things got so fucked to begin with. Even Oden with all of his stupidity understood at the very, very end that he needed others which is why he asked his scabbards to open the borders for him. Aside from his stupidity, Oden's independence and isolation is his fatal flaw, and ironically also the fatal flaw of Wano. Momo is going to require the assistance of others to properly flourish.
All of those options are random though and very obviously seem like a hand-wave to just get rid of her because the most straightforward path for her character would simply be to want to join the straw hats.
Why would she go to sea with others when she went through so much with the straw hats? Why would she randomly decide she's had enough adventure after clear signs that she was having the time of her life when seeing new things and travelling. These aren't reasonable suggestions supported by anything and are mere wishes that she'd just shut up and disappear.
You realise what parallel lines are, right? They never meet, but run...*drum roll*...parallel... to one another.
And yes, I'm saying I think it's no coincidence that Carrot a character defined by her love for adventure as a result from being cooped up in an isolated country her entire life, so much so that she snuck away to sea ended up on the future Pirate King's ship. Which happens to be the exact same case as the most prominent figure of the arc and his aspirations for adventure that led him to sneak out of his isolated country and ended up on the future Pirate King's ship.
We will see where things go with this however.
No, because Neko and Inu stowed away from Wano because they were Oden's retainers. And contrary to them, Carrot is sticking with the crew and didn't get dropped off when the important stuff started.
Kin emon's learnt that trusting others doesn't equal bad and can be the way to progress in life. That's literally the significance behind his and Momo's plead in the whale tree. He fully understands that already.
Understand the true history of Wano and the Kozuki, who were the creators of the ponegliffs? Hmm...that sounds very familiar. Oh I know...It's because it's complete and utter btech version of Robin's dream. I know with the scabbards and Oden, Oda had been slacking, but to literally copy and paste the same dream for 2 straw hats?? C'mon... At least Robin has the means to actual pursue her dream. Kin emon would be a useless tag along just there to leech off Robin's information.
Momo's age most certainly is not irrelevant. Although he's trying, he's still bloody 8 years old. Of course he needs advisors when it was literally due to the shogun being taken advantage off that led to Wano's demise in the first place. And Kin emon is the no.1 retainer. What about Kin emon's wife who he hasn't seen for 20 years? He's just gonna ditch her too? And no, Momo is not gonna carry out things on his own like his clown of a father. That's precisely how things got so fucked to begin with. Even Oden with all of his stupidity understood at the very, very end that he needed others which is why he asked his scabbards to open the borders for him. Aside from his stupidity, Oden's independence and isolation is his fatal flaw, and ironically also the fatal flaw of Wano. Momo is going to require the assistance of others to properly flourish.
All of those options are random though and very obviously seem like a hand-wave to just get rid of her because the most straightforward path for her character would simply be to want to join the straw hats.
Why would she go to sea with others when she went through so much with the straw hats? Why would she randomly decide she's had enough adventure after clear signs that she was having the time of her life when seeing new things and travelling. These aren't reasonable suggestions supported by anything and are mere wishes that she'd just shut up and disappear.
You realise what parallel lines are, right? They never meet, but run...*drum roll*...parallel... to one another.
And yes, I'm saying I think it's no coincidence that Carrot a character defined by her love for adventure as a result from being cooped up in an isolated country her entire life, so much so that she snuck away to sea ended up on the future Pirate King's ship. Which happens to be the exact same case as the most prominent figure of the arc and his aspirations for adventure that led him to sneak out of his isolated country and ended up on the future Pirate King's ship.
We will see where things go with this however.
No, because Neko and Inu stowed away from Wano because they were Oden's retainers. And contrary to them, Carrot is sticking with the crew and didn't get dropped off when the important stuff started.
I would love to see the new crew member after Jinbei is a completely new character.
Just someone after this Wano arc, i am not agree with Carrot being the next crew, they’ve had enough animals lol. (I know after this my fiancé’ll fight me xDD)
Just someone based on what Luffy needs, he got a musician, a cook, shipwright, navigator, doctor etc. I don’t see carrot as someone in Luffy need, ok dont mind me its just my opinion. Tbh i also don’t know what kind of person that Luffy will ask to join based on what he/she can do in Straw hat pirates but a new character that Luffy and others don’t know/haven’t meet before would be nice
Just someone after this Wano arc, i am not agree with Carrot being the next crew, they’ve had enough animals lol. (I know after this my fiancé’ll fight me xDD)
Just someone based on what Luffy needs, he got a musician, a cook, shipwright, navigator, doctor etc. I don’t see carrot as someone in Luffy need, ok dont mind me its just my opinion. Tbh i also don’t know what kind of person that Luffy will ask to join based on what he/she can do in Straw hat pirates but a new character that Luffy and others don’t know/haven’t meet before would be nice
Sorry, what exactly do you think Carrot's dream will be? The Dawn, yes? Which would be... her getting to Laugh Tale, using Robin's information to find out why Zunisha is wandering and what the Mink's relation to the VC is, and then using that the future of the tribe (basically, Jinbei's dream as well?)
And he has advisors. Basically everyone in the Wano side of alliance can advise Momo. The loss of Kine'mon in a trip to better Wano would not be a catastrophic end to Momonosuke's ambitions.
She would be the Kaya/Franky Family/Nojiko/Laboon and so on character. Someone for Kine'mon to come back to.
Uh huh
And having his best man on a foreign pirate crew that will end up saving and changing the world is not doing things on his own, or isolating the country. Quite the opposite.
Maybe Pedro's death came as a shock to her. Have we actually seen her jabber about how she loves adventure since then?
Anyway, she can want to adventure all she wants. Fact is, Luffy's never gave the slightest inclination that he would consider her a crewmate. Friend, yes, crewmate, no.
I think it is an absolutely gargantuan leap of logic to take the Oden flashback and apply that in any way to Carrot.
Zou is not Wano. It does not have a strict isolationist policy. Nothing was actually stopping Carrot from going to sea- plenty of Minks have done it. Oden leaving Wano was a huge deal because no Wano person had left, let alone the heir presumptive, since the Shimotsuki ran away years earlier. They had actual laws against it. Carrot left and the reaction was basically a shrug of "oh well, what's done is done." There's nothing unique about a Mink going to sea- Inu and Neko did it, the Nox Pirates was made entirely of Minks, Bepo's done it, all the Guardians seem to have went with Neko and the Musketeers have came with Inu.
Eh? They went to sea in the first place, before they even met Oden, for literally the exact same reason as Carrot. They were even saying the same stuff.
Except she has been dropped off for most of Wano. And we haven't actually seen yet where her, Wanda and the two other Musketeers have went after getting off the Sunny. Based on what happened with the Jinbei party, she won't be with the Strawhats though- it was very noticeable that she sat back in the Sunny when the actual Strawhats were fighting and preparing to welcome a crewmate.
And he has advisors. Basically everyone in the Wano side of alliance can advise Momo. The loss of Kine'mon in a trip to better Wano would not be a catastrophic end to Momonosuke's ambitions.
She would be the Kaya/Franky Family/Nojiko/Laboon and so on character. Someone for Kine'mon to come back to.
Uh huh
And having his best man on a foreign pirate crew that will end up saving and changing the world is not doing things on his own, or isolating the country. Quite the opposite.
Maybe Pedro's death came as a shock to her. Have we actually seen her jabber about how she loves adventure since then?
Anyway, she can want to adventure all she wants. Fact is, Luffy's never gave the slightest inclination that he would consider her a crewmate. Friend, yes, crewmate, no.
I think it is an absolutely gargantuan leap of logic to take the Oden flashback and apply that in any way to Carrot.
Zou is not Wano. It does not have a strict isolationist policy. Nothing was actually stopping Carrot from going to sea- plenty of Minks have done it. Oden leaving Wano was a huge deal because no Wano person had left, let alone the heir presumptive, since the Shimotsuki ran away years earlier. They had actual laws against it. Carrot left and the reaction was basically a shrug of "oh well, what's done is done." There's nothing unique about a Mink going to sea- Inu and Neko did it, the Nox Pirates was made entirely of Minks, Bepo's done it, all the Guardians seem to have went with Neko and the Musketeers have came with Inu.
Eh? They went to sea in the first place, before they even met Oden, for literally the exact same reason as Carrot. They were even saying the same stuff.
Except she has been dropped off for most of Wano. And we haven't actually seen yet where her, Wanda and the two other Musketeers have went after getting off the Sunny. Based on what happened with the Jinbei party, she won't be with the Strawhats though- it was very noticeable that she sat back in the Sunny when the actual Strawhats were fighting and preparing to welcome a crewmate.
Kinemon is an essential part of the Wa No narrative sure, but why use him as example when his character arc also does not lead anywhere close to being a nakama.
And it´s not like the requisites you describe for potential nakama (first and foremost meaningful interaction with Luffy and a sign he is actually interested, plus of course also role) apply to him, if anything Luffy and Momo share a special relationship, but that relationship is another Coby, Rebecca, Aisa, Shirahoshi type of relationship, where Luffy is mostly the one inspiring the young kid and creating the next generation like Shanks did for him (though of course, to be honest, Luffy is technically part of the same generation, but he is already a big thing while they are at the start of their journey pretty much).
Judging by Jinbe and pre-TS standards, nobody right now is looking any good for nakama period, no matter how people try to come up with convoluted and distorted arguments.
And the argument Carrot stans always brought forth was "in Wa No she gonna be big", we literally have seen zero of that, and now we are getting to the climax of an arc which primarily has two essential plotlines, defeat Yonkou for the Strawhats, and avenge Oden for the Samurai and Wa No citizens. Carrot is not invested in either, unlike Jinbe in FI carrying Tiger´s will, or Franky who wanted to avenge Tom, or Chopper wanting to protect the country his "father" gave his life for and so on, that´s the only thing Kinemon has over Carrot, he is central to the main conflict of the arc and the battle, just like the nakama were in theirs, with the exception of Robin maybe.
Avenging Pedro (not dead btw) and fighting against Pero is literally a side quest.
And it´s not like the requisites you describe for potential nakama (first and foremost meaningful interaction with Luffy and a sign he is actually interested, plus of course also role) apply to him, if anything Luffy and Momo share a special relationship, but that relationship is another Coby, Rebecca, Aisa, Shirahoshi type of relationship, where Luffy is mostly the one inspiring the young kid and creating the next generation like Shanks did for him (though of course, to be honest, Luffy is technically part of the same generation, but he is already a big thing while they are at the start of their journey pretty much).
Judging by Jinbe and pre-TS standards, nobody right now is looking any good for nakama period, no matter how people try to come up with convoluted and distorted arguments.
And the argument Carrot stans always brought forth was "in Wa No she gonna be big", we literally have seen zero of that, and now we are getting to the climax of an arc which primarily has two essential plotlines, defeat Yonkou for the Strawhats, and avenge Oden for the Samurai and Wa No citizens. Carrot is not invested in either, unlike Jinbe in FI carrying Tiger´s will, or Franky who wanted to avenge Tom, or Chopper wanting to protect the country his "father" gave his life for and so on, that´s the only thing Kinemon has over Carrot, he is central to the main conflict of the arc and the battle, just like the nakama were in theirs, with the exception of Robin maybe.
Avenging Pedro (not dead btw) and fighting against Pero is literally a side quest.
Likely something relating to seeing the world though. We've yet to go to Elbaf, seems unlikely since it hasn't been mentioned in forever but there is also the Emerald City. These would seem like the perfect islands out of a fantasy novel for Carrot to journey to. We've already seen her take an interest in Giants and she was already given the lowdown on the situation in Elbaf regarding the giants, meme, Lola and Loki.
What would Kin emon do on this trip? He isn't a Kozuki. He doesn't know how to read or write on ponegliffs, unlike Robin who can actually decipher them and is close to finishing, having acquired 3 of the 4 road ponegliffs by the end of this arc. He's not like Oden who had an actual means of achieving a dream and laying the foundations for what's to come.
Fair enough. But just funny considering how meaningful the relationship between the characters you listed and their respective straw hats has been stressed and elaborated on, in comparison to Kin emon and Tsuru lol. As if it's irrelevant to build on since they'll be together anyway. Ain't no one anxiously anticipating the reunion of Kin emon and Tsuru.
How will he end up saving and changing the world? How will he even begin to end up saving and changing the world? That's not even comparing it to offering advice to an 8 year old as the no.1 retainer that has experience and knowledge in the field.
Yes, we have. To suggest she'd randomly decide "yup, I've had enough". Is nothing but head cannon.
We can wait for the two of them to have a meaningful interaction, like Carrot has had with other members of the crew. I think it's more likely that Carrot asks to join than the other way around either way. Luffy isn't exactly the sort of guy that would turn her down considering she's been living with them for weeks, even having fought 2 yonko together with her. It's not like she's bringing shit tons of baggage with her like the fleet commanders, all seven of them + wanting to bring their entire crews. Carrot can literally just join up, exactly like she's been doing this whole time.
Zou is very similar to Wano. It may not be as strict as Wano, but it is certainly an isolated country. Sharing the same features as Wano in having natural forces making entrance to the islands very difficult via currents etc.
Whilst Wano did have a strict policy against leaving, the majority of the fuss was because he was the son of the Shogun. Carrot was just a musketeer. Both were individuals that had been stuck on their island of birth for their entire life and were cut off from the outside world which they longed to adventure. And both snuck away to sea, specifically to pursue that adventure.
Inu and Neko only went in pursuit of Wano because they were curious about the pact made between the Kozuki and the minks. That's different from Oden and Carrot who set sail for the sake of adventure itself.
You mean she sat back when the actual straw hats were toasting Jinbe into the crew, because they were actual official members...Meanwhile she was all over the scene during their reunion when all of the straw hats finally got back together for the very first time in ages.
It's very likely the Inuarashi musketeers are already back with the mink faction. Wanda's the only one that might stay. But even then that would only be to support Carrot's role with the crew since she's unarguably a less important figure.
What would Kin emon do on this trip? He isn't a Kozuki. He doesn't know how to read or write on ponegliffs, unlike Robin who can actually decipher them and is close to finishing, having acquired 3 of the 4 road ponegliffs by the end of this arc. He's not like Oden who had an actual means of achieving a dream and laying the foundations for what's to come.
Fair enough. But just funny considering how meaningful the relationship between the characters you listed and their respective straw hats has been stressed and elaborated on, in comparison to Kin emon and Tsuru lol. As if it's irrelevant to build on since they'll be together anyway. Ain't no one anxiously anticipating the reunion of Kin emon and Tsuru.
How will he end up saving and changing the world? How will he even begin to end up saving and changing the world? That's not even comparing it to offering advice to an 8 year old as the no.1 retainer that has experience and knowledge in the field.
Yes, we have. To suggest she'd randomly decide "yup, I've had enough". Is nothing but head cannon.
We can wait for the two of them to have a meaningful interaction, like Carrot has had with other members of the crew. I think it's more likely that Carrot asks to join than the other way around either way. Luffy isn't exactly the sort of guy that would turn her down considering she's been living with them for weeks, even having fought 2 yonko together with her. It's not like she's bringing shit tons of baggage with her like the fleet commanders, all seven of them + wanting to bring their entire crews. Carrot can literally just join up, exactly like she's been doing this whole time.
Zou is very similar to Wano. It may not be as strict as Wano, but it is certainly an isolated country. Sharing the same features as Wano in having natural forces making entrance to the islands very difficult via currents etc.
Whilst Wano did have a strict policy against leaving, the majority of the fuss was because he was the son of the Shogun. Carrot was just a musketeer. Both were individuals that had been stuck on their island of birth for their entire life and were cut off from the outside world which they longed to adventure. And both snuck away to sea, specifically to pursue that adventure.
Inu and Neko only went in pursuit of Wano because they were curious about the pact made between the Kozuki and the minks. That's different from Oden and Carrot who set sail for the sake of adventure itself.
You mean she sat back when the actual straw hats were toasting Jinbe into the crew, because they were actual official members...Meanwhile she was all over the scene during their reunion when all of the straw hats finally got back together for the very first time in ages.
It's very likely the Inuarashi musketeers are already back with the mink faction. Wanda's the only one that might stay. But even then that would only be to support Carrot's role with the crew since she's unarguably a less important figure.
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