General & Others Tobi Roppo are the main opponents of the 6 weaker SHs
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I'd honestly be far more disappointed in Oda's storytelling abilities if he can't have the Weak trio able to hold his own as of right now. If they can't deal with the likes of the Tobi Roppo, even at very high diff, then they have no reason being a part of the future battles against Shanks and Blackbeard.
If Usopp, Nami and Chopper are that weak, then Barto, Cavendish and let's say Hajrudin should be the ones dealing with the Redhair and Blackbeard pirates important characters. Because there is no way that it'd make sense story wise from them to go from fodders to YC main crew members.
If Usopp, Nami and Chopper are that weak, then Barto, Cavendish and let's say Hajrudin should be the ones dealing with the Redhair and Blackbeard pirates important characters. Because there is no way that it'd make sense story wise from them to go from fodders to YC main crew members.
Sorry to burst your bubble but majority of the strawhats will probably never reach that commander level. We're talking about characters like Doflamingo, Jack etc. they will never reach that status.
I'd be surprised if they can even reach beginning of post timeskip Luffy level. Not every single character is destined to be a top tier. Even reaching the status of Fishman island Luffy puts you at the elite 5% of the world, that's a massive achievement for the likes of Robin, Brook, let alone anyone below that.
Luffy's not going to be walking around with a crew of 4 top tiers, and a bunch of commanders below that. Wits, plot conveniences, help, will always play major roles in strawhat battles.
I say this as someone who believes there is a good chance they take on the flying six.
I'd be surprised if they can even reach beginning of post timeskip Luffy level. Not every single character is destined to be a top tier. Even reaching the status of Fishman island Luffy puts you at the elite 5% of the world, that's a massive achievement for the likes of Robin, Brook, let alone anyone below that.
Luffy's not going to be walking around with a crew of 4 top tiers, and a bunch of commanders below that. Wits, plot conveniences, help, will always play major roles in strawhat battles.
I say this as someone who believes there is a good chance they take on the flying six.
What crew has like 8 YC level fighters? Dont even think Roger or Rocks had that many. Fact of the matter is that the lower SHs has been at the mercy of mid tiers for the entirety of postskip with dudes like Sanji, Vinmsmokes etc being needed to handle them....and we're supposed to believe they can suddenly take on guys like Vergo, Daifuju, Pero, PageOne etx without power ups, and without it being inconsistent?
Kaido is for Luffy and Kidd and Law as helpers-hype tools.
King, Queen and Jack will be for Zoro, Sanji amd Jinbe. King and Queen are almost dure while there is still some doubt about Jack and Jinbe mainly because of ehat he did to the dukes yet Jack is a fishman and it is a moment to create some sort of old grudge or something between him.and Jinbe.
The tobi roppo are 6, exactly like the SH left, and have 2 woman, exactly like the remaining 6 SH.
This reminds me a lot the Doffy family: executives for Zoro, Law and some other arc dudes while the captains were taken out by the SH. This also happened with Hody and his band (even if in thata arc we had pretty much inly the SH and no other relevant fighter).
King, Queen and Jack will be for Zoro, Sanji amd Jinbe. King and Queen are almost dure while there is still some doubt about Jack and Jinbe mainly because of ehat he did to the dukes yet Jack is a fishman and it is a moment to create some sort of old grudge or something between him.and Jinbe.
The tobi roppo are 6, exactly like the SH left, and have 2 woman, exactly like the remaining 6 SH.
This reminds me a lot the Doffy family: executives for Zoro, Law and some other arc dudes while the captains were taken out by the SH. This also happened with Hody and his band (even if in thata arc we had pretty much inly the SH and no other relevant fighter).
If Oven has trash reaction and couldn't see a damn mini canonball from a mile away all reason not to put him on the same level. It'd make Oven beyond trash if he couldn't take an attack like that from that far,while Capone is chilling with his kid in his hand.
Talking about endurance and you bring Pica's fruit ability for an argument . Bravo mr.Zenzu.
Hmm,they were threats like always? Just like bullets? Or somehow yassop and V.Augur are shit as well because they use rifles? Oh, do tell me that.
Yes,indeed Queen was faking it,not like most likely he took too much damage for him to handle just like Kaku ..
He was still shivering because he was just faking it.
Recovering quickly doesn't mean he wasn't taken out at that moment.
My tiering is fine. I am not going to put the Shichibukai any lower when Oda has stressed enough how powerful they are. As for the second part,if there is a match up advantage, I am going to do just that. Be my guest and simply follow a DBZ abc logic,not my problem.
While he faced opponents that can fly and has folks in his crew that can create wings or Fly by kicking the air, Zoro was cursing& and couldn't grasp that people could fly
...Even if you have seen it,doesn't make the ability any less impressive.
Sure when you try to diminish everything a character does(e.g you even tried to bring up Pica,as if he mattered in the slightest when talking about the endurance of characters.) ,of course you wouldn't think otherwise.
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Make of that what you will.
Talking about endurance and you bring Pica's fruit ability for an argument . Bravo mr.Zenzu.
Hmm,they were threats like always? Just like bullets? Or somehow yassop and V.Augur are shit as well because they use rifles? Oh, do tell me that.
Yes,indeed Queen was faking it,not like most likely he took too much damage for him to handle just like Kaku ..
While he faced opponents that can fly and has folks in his crew that can create wings or Fly by kicking the air, Zoro was cursing& and couldn't grasp that people could fly
Sure when you try to diminish everything a character does(e.g you even tried to bring up Pica,as if he mattered in the slightest when talking about the endurance of characters.) ,of course you wouldn't think otherwise.
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In an unrelated note to the above
Make of that what you will.
If Oven has trash reaction and couldn't see a damn mini canonball from a mile away all reason not to put him on the same level. It'd make Oven beyond trash if he couldn't take an attack like that from that far,while Capone is chilling with his kid in his hand.
Talking about endurance and you bring Pica's fruit ability for an argument . Bravo mr.Zenzu.
Hmm,they were threats like always? Just like bullets? Or somehow yassop and V.Augur are shit as well because they use rifles? Oh, do tell me that.
Yes,indeed Queen was faking it,not like most likely he took too much damage for him to handle just like Kaku ..
He was still shivering because he was just faking it.
Recovering quickly doesn't mean he wasn't taken out at that moment.
My tiering is fine. I am not going to put the Shichibukai any lower when Oda has stressed enough how powerful they are. As for the second part,if there is a match up advantage, I am going to do just that. Be my guest and simply follow a DBZ abc logic,not my problem.
While he faced opponents that can fly and has folks in his crew that can create wings or Fly by kicking the air, Zoro was cursing& and couldn't grasp that people could fly
...Even if you have seen it,doesn't make the ability any less impressive.
Sure when you try to diminish everything a character does(e.g you even tried to bring up Pica,as if he mattered in the slightest when talking about the endurance of characters.) ,of course you wouldn't think otherwise.
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In an unrelated note to the above
Make of that what you will.
Talking about endurance and you bring Pica's fruit ability for an argument . Bravo mr.Zenzu.
Hmm,they were threats like always? Just like bullets? Or somehow yassop and V.Augur are shit as well because they use rifles? Oh, do tell me that.
Yes,indeed Queen was faking it,not like most likely he took too much damage for him to handle just like Kaku ..
My tiering is fine. I am not going to put the Shichibukai any lower when Oda has stressed enough how powerful they are. As for the second part,if there is a match up advantage, I am going to do just that. Be my guest and simply follow a DBZ abc logic,not my problem.
While he faced opponents that can fly and has folks in his crew that can create wings or Fly by kicking the air, Zoro was cursing& and couldn't grasp that people could fly
Sure when you try to diminish everything a character does(e.g you even tried to bring up Pica,as if he mattered in the slightest when talking about the endurance of characters.) ,of course you wouldn't think otherwise.
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In an unrelated note to the above
Make of that what you will.
The rest of your post is a whole lot of false equivalencies (Fujitora gravity to a basic geppou, Kaku nearly dying to Queen).
Capone could shoot Oven, something Usopp is capable of, great. Now where is this superiority, I'm still waiting.
His big father, his best ability, is a shitty version of Pica, nothing changes this.
Arent you forgetting someone big?
Ofcourse they are not on Drakes level. And if you really look at the totality of forces on each side, there really is no pattern. Luffy is not fighting Kaido alone, Zoro and Sanji are supposed to grow around the level where Luffy was last arc, so they will need to overcome and surpass yonko commanders. But how do you suppose Nami grows stronger in her fight? At best, she would do so after the battle by somehow acquiring Prometheus as well, so her fighting a Flying 6 member bears no significance compared to the monster trio need to surpass those monsters.
Numbers while being very strong, i see them more in the background against Sulong Minks, same as Orochis ninja and samurai vs Hyogoros troups. There is too many characters for them all to get significant screen time, which is why i think it will be narrowed to Kaido-BM-Allstars-Smoothie-Tobi Roppo-BM prominent children vs Strawhats, Scabbards and Supernova, and maybe some WB pirates if they are present
Numbers while being very strong, i see them more in the background against Sulong Minks, same as Orochis ninja and samurai vs Hyogoros troups. There is too many characters for them all to get significant screen time, which is why i think it will be narrowed to Kaido-BM-Allstars-Smoothie-Tobi Roppo-BM prominent children vs Strawhats, Scabbards and Supernova, and maybe some WB pirates if they are present
Shite on a platter would be the majority of the Strawhats doing nothing this arc except beat Headliner fodder.
You don't care about "basic consistency", you're just wanking stagnant power levels at the expense of the narrative. I hate to tell you, but near enough every fight the crew out with the M3 have won- and some of the ones they have been in as well- since Usopp vs Chew all these years ago upsets what the powerlevel fanatics hide behind, "basic consistency." You want basic consistency, Chew should have killed Usopp, him and Nami shouldn't have had a shot in Alabasta, Gedatsu should have murdered Chopper and all the crew combined die on EL to the overwhelming force of CP9.
Yes, it makes much more sense that the Vinsmokes somehow appear out of nowhere and are the heroes of the day that liberate Wano. Not even that the Scabbards are the ones winning the fight, which would at least be sound storytelling, if at the expense of our actual main characters, but the Vinsmokes. Sanji's facist clan of mad scientist relatives who have nothing to do with the arc whatsoever.
Because that's clearly what the story of Wano has been building up to since the Strawhats saved Kine'mon all the way back on Punk Hazard.
You don't care about "basic consistency", you're just wanking stagnant power levels at the expense of the narrative. I hate to tell you, but near enough every fight the crew out with the M3 have won- and some of the ones they have been in as well- since Usopp vs Chew all these years ago upsets what the powerlevel fanatics hide behind, "basic consistency." You want basic consistency, Chew should have killed Usopp, him and Nami shouldn't have had a shot in Alabasta, Gedatsu should have murdered Chopper and all the crew combined die on EL to the overwhelming force of CP9.
Yes, it makes much more sense that the Vinsmokes somehow appear out of nowhere and are the heroes of the day that liberate Wano. Not even that the Scabbards are the ones winning the fight, which would at least be sound storytelling, if at the expense of our actual main characters, but the Vinsmokes. Sanji's facist clan of mad scientist relatives who have nothing to do with the arc whatsoever.
Because that's clearly what the story of Wano has been building up to since the Strawhats saved Kine'mon all the way back on Punk Hazard.
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I‘Ve stated above Oda is not the most consistent out there, and that there’s tons of instances of him randomly powering up the characters to fit them in fights they don’t belong in, you proved my point with those examples. Do i dislike Brook/Franky soloing Page One ? Yes. Do i think it’s not happening because it’d skew power levels ? No, Oda doesn’t give a fuck.
I do believe following a basic power level structure is pretty important btw, and not disregarding it only when it’s convenient.
I do believe following a basic power level structure is pretty important btw, and not disregarding it only when it’s convenient.
Imagine the weak trio being able to beat people like pica or vergo this arc. Even being able to push them high diff sounds insane imo
Again imo
Luffy shouldn't be able to solo kaido this arc
The new m3 shouldn't be able to solo calamities
The mid and weak trio shouldn't be able to solo the tobi roppo
Next arc tho yeah why not 🤷♀️
Again imo
Luffy shouldn't be able to solo kaido this arc
The new m3 shouldn't be able to solo calamities
The mid and weak trio shouldn't be able to solo the tobi roppo
Next arc tho yeah why not 🤷♀️
