Speculations Why Luffy must fight and defeat Akainu : Sabo is NOT a valid option

Who will defeat Akainu


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#1
There are certain subtleties and archetypes of story telling that are ever present in almost all fiction and even mythology which perhaps a lot of you would consider fiction regardless and these subtleties and archetypes mean more than the preconceived notions about power scaling and agendas. Revenge of the Hero against an evil Tyrant is one of the such ever present archetypes, and that is to an even greater degree emphasized in One Piece.

Luffy always takes revenge, revenge for people who in theory shouldn't be so dear to him, so close to him, people who he just met but he happened to saw agony, despair and mystery of such people caused by such an evil Tyrant. If you happened to be Luffy's friend, then Luffy taking revenge for you from your tyrant almost becomes a certainty even if you being Luffy's friend is not a necessity such as people of Bakura Town.

It all started as early as Arlong Park where Luffy took revenge on the Tyrant Arlong for causing agony to his friend Nami. Remember Nami wasn't someone who has gone through ups and downs with Luffy at this point, hasn't gone through journey of life and death and has built an unbreakable bond but by simply being Luffy's friend alone, Luffy took it upon himself to whoop Arlong's ass and free Cocoyashi Village of the Tyranni caused by the boss of Arlong Park and his band of cronies.. It all started which this iconic moment



This was Luffy's revenge of the Hero for the agony and distressed caused to his friend Nami.

This troupe continued in the next major arc of One Piece Alabasta where Luffy took revenge from an even bigger tyrant, terrorizing an even bigger country of Alabasta for another one of his Friend. Once again Vivi isn't someone that Luffy has spent his entire life with, grew up idolizing and loving her, going to ups and downs throughout Luffy. Vivi is an individual who happened to have spent a matter of weeks to months with Luffy, meeting him in the organs of an oh so gigantic whale. Foundation of Vivi's friendship was certainly Vivi being source of providing meat to Luffy in Whiskey Peak. Then they build some connection and created a bond and we got Straw hats taking charge against Crocodile and his Cronies freeing Alabasta of the tyranni of the Tyrant Crocodile.

It all began with this iconic scene


This idea of Luffy taking revenge on an the tyrant certainly didn't go away in Skypea where story just like Alabasta was repeated but people there had even lighter bond with Luffy. Of course Nico Robin had spend a lot more time with Luffy by the time Enies Lobby happened and an arc such as Enies Lobby requires its own thread but Luffy did take revenge for his friend Nico Robin, granted the tyrant wasn't necessarily Lucci, rather spandam and Nico Robin cracked his ass.



But Ace, Ace is someone Luffy has spent humongous chunk of his life with. He is someone Luffy grew up with, spent his childhood with and exchanged the cup of Sake, promising towards their adventurous future


Now unlike Nico Robin Ace isn't alive to punch a hole in Akainu's body and take revenge for what Akainu did to him..I mean that was the point right? But you would naturally say well that's where Sabo comes in, and to that I will say think again. I will especially say think again to those showing extraordinary amount of contempt towards the notion of Zoro being granted an opportunity to behead Kaido and fulfil his destiny as the Next Sword God after seeing the suffering of Yasui, Hiyori, having the blade of Kozuki Oden, presenting essentially same symbolism as Sabo having Ace's fruit, time he spent in Ringo (I believe it was Ringo) seeing its denizens being forcefully fed defective smile.

In all fairness there was all the more narrative build up for Zoro to behead Kaido than Sabo to punch a hole in Akainu's belly and I will get to that later. But the reason most of the critics of the idea of Zoro beheading Kaido presented is that Zoro can't do that because Luffy is the main character and he has to take..say with me..Hero's Revenge and Save Wano from Tyranni of Kaido.

Well unless I am reading a different story, Sabo doesn't seem to be the main character of the show either, he seems to have significantly inferior presence in the show even compared to Zoro who has been around since the second chapter of the manga and has been present and played at least noticeable if not significant role in every arc.

But it is Luffy, the main character of the show who takes down the ultimate tyrant after he sees suffering of his friends at the hand of the tyrant. But it goes even deeper, and back to the point where Zoro had more narrative build up than Sabo, Luffy has significantly greater narrative buildup than Sabo.

Luffy was present given or taken 6 feet away from the sight at which Akainu punched a hole inside Ace's Body.


This caused a deep trauma in Luffy. A trauma so deep, Luffy momentarily lost functionality and has contemplating quitting his journey as a pirate. He saw death of his brother in front of his very eyes. A tyrant punch a hole in the belly of the man Luffy has loved, admired, idolized since he was a very young child. This was the catalyst to two year time skip where Luffy trained and trained and trained with Silver's Rayleigh so he is strong enough to prevent a situation like this happening in the future



Now moving away from the archetype of Hero's Revenge and the trauma caused to Luffy by Akainu, we have a troupe recurring often in the story telling formula of One Piece and that is significance of scars.

The biggest scar on Zoro's body was caused by Hawk Eyes Mihawk and that is a constant reminder of the failure Zoro suffered as a frog in his tiny well. That scar will remind him to train and train, become stronger, know the world so he can face someone who (lets be real now) Strongest man in the world right now



Scar that stings Shanks the most of caused by Blackbeard and that will certainly play a factor in the story



And the most recent usage of recurring troupe of a major scar on the body playing a huge factor in the story happened with Kaido. For the longest of time the largest and seemingly only scar on Kaido's undestructible body was caused by Kozuki Oden..



As a self fulfilling prophecy, Zoro picked up Kozuki Oden's Blade and used it to cause another major scar on Kaido's body



By far the biggest and most significant scar on Luffy's body is caused by Akainu and to make things even more interesting and impeccably connected (Something that is very scarce in today's One Piece) that scar on Luffy's body was caused by Akainu after he has done punching a hole in Ace's body.



This amount of narrative build up, Luffy's revenge, his trauma, death of his brother in front of his own eyes, significance of his scar on his chest, will not all be tossed out of the window because a certain section of great One Piece fans (Yonkotards) believe Akainu's combat prowess isn't up the standards of someone who will be Luffy's opponent as such a later part of the story. If the requirement for well presented narrative is that Akainu will be Luffy's final marine opponent than that is what will happen, and him being a Luffy's opponent after an emperor of the sea will not stop that. After all nothing is really stopping from the original Admirals to turn out to be stronger than majority if not all of the emperors.

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#2
I'm gonna ignore all the agenda stuff because it's not worthy of mention.
But... Isn't pretty obvious that the one who will take ''revenge'' is Luffy? Like... He saw... In front of his Eyes... His brother getting impaled by a fucking giant magma hand.
I don't know what yall mean by revenge, but let's say that the one who will heal the ''hole'' left in Marineford is def Luffy.
But I also do think that there'll be a clash between Akainu and Sabo, cuz he also has a scar from Akainu's actions, maybe not physical and bigger than Luffy's, but pretty much a very painfull ''mental'' scar.
The plot about Akainu's justice still a lot foggy and even his limit is foggy, but we're pretty much on the stage that Top Tiers will start to fall, and it doesn't matter if it's Yonkou, Admirals, WG.
 
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#3
And akainu is only person who hate luffy the most .
‘In marineford arc, Akainu simply know luffy is dragon son.

Akainu literally trying to kill luffy on marineford which he focus the most than Whitebeard, Revolutiontary people like ivankov. and Ace as major threat .

‘’Ace died to sacrifice as to shield luffy from being killed by Akainu .

Then greenbull say if he want to make Akainu happy , all he need to grind head of luffy .

No villain has huge hate against luffy like akainu before luffy knew it.

All villains that luffy fought don’t personally hate luffy but luffy keep screw up their plans . More like luffy actions, they dislike/hated.

Big mom is mad at luffy for eating her food but it is not very crazy hate like akainu. Big mom can be forgiving sometimes as long to follow her plans .She literally offer to invite king which same king could almost kill her.

‘Kaido - would want luffy to join his crew . Not really hated . Like join the army for empire or die thing.

‘Blackbeard- literally encouraged luffy to find sky island , doesn’t show hated against luffy . More rival but more villain style. He capture Ace which it make luffy mad.

Admirals except Akainu don’t show personal hate against luffy . Greenbull is fan of Akainu .

Akainu hate luffy is like bowser hate Mario or ganondorf hate link, tom and jerry( I know they are frenemies, but they almost kill each other ) etc.

If Akainu and luffy meet together, they would kill each other
 
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And akainu is only person who hate luffy the most .
‘In marineford arc, Akainu simply know luffy is dragon son.

Akainu literally trying to kill luffy on marineford which he focus the most than Whitebeard, Revolutiontary people like ivankov. and Ace as major threat .

‘’Ace died to sacrifice as to shield luffy from being killed by Akainu .

Then greenbull say if he want to make Akainu happy , all he need to grind head of luffy .

No villain has huge against luffy like akainu before luffy knew it.

All villains that luffy fought don’t personally hate luffy but luffy keep screw up their plans . More like luffy actions, they dislike/hated.

Big mom is mad at luffy for eating her food but it is not very crazy hate like akainu. Big mom can be forgiving sometimes as long to follow her plans .She literally offer to invite king which same king could almost kill her.

‘Kaido - would want luffy to join his crew . Not really hated . Like join the army for empire or die thing.

‘Blackbeard- literally encouraged luffy to find sky island , doesn’t show hated against luffy . More rival but more villain style. He ca-turned Ace which it make luffy mad.

Admirals except Akainu don’t show personal hate against luffy . Greenbull is fan of Akainu .

Akainu hate luffy is like bowser hate Mario or ganondorf hate link, tom and jerry( I know they are frenemies, but they almost kill each other ) etc.

If Akainu and luffy meet together, they would kill each other
Hates him a little too much if you ask me. I'm still playing with the old theory that Akainu and Dragon may have known each other and were possibly close with someone betraying someone. Which brings the question. When (not if) there is a showdown between Luffy and Akainu, if there's history will it be death or some twisted sense of redemption?
 
#8
Akainu doesnt have any connection to the main mysteries of the series like the D clan, void century, Imu, Raftel, One Piece, etc. Thats one of the main reasons why he wont be the final fight of Luffy, its Blackbeard. One Piece is a pirate manga, the final fight will be pirates vs pirates.

Can Akainu and Luffy clash for a short while before someone else takes over? sure.
Will Akainu be Bluenoed before the final fight? No, he is too important to get Bluenoed.

I used to think the best fit for Akainu's opponent is Dragon as its evident from Marineford that Akainu and Dragon have some sort of history. But now that Sabo is surpassing Dragon's reputation and influence, like it or not, he is a legit option for Akainu.
 
#11
Great thread @ShishioIsBack, to add on this:
-Ace never had a personal dispute with Akainu, if anything Sabo takes revenge on Blackbeard if that’s how it works.
-Sabo is incapable of defeating Akainu anyway even if he obtains strongest haki in verse
-Luffy not fighting the leader of the strongest faction in the story is dumb
-2nd man of revos vs FA of the navy is wishful thinking
-Akainu being the villain who traumatized Luffy the most
-Akainu doesn’t have to be a D. and whatnot, this is will be the first time Luffy fights for his own sake and not others.
 
#12
Great thread @ShishioIsBack, to add on this:
-Ace never had a personal dispute with Akainu, if anything Sabo takes revenge on Blackbeard if that’s how it works.
-Sabo is incapable of defeating Akainu anyway even if he obtains strongest haki in verse
-Luffy not fighting the leader of the strongest faction in the story is dumb
-2nd man of revos vs FA of the navy is wishful thinking
-Akainu being the villain who traumatized Luffy the most
-Akainu doesn’t have to be a D. and whatnot, this is will be the first time Luffy fights for his own sake and not others.
Feel like this is the most eloquent thread I ever made.
Anyways people who think Luffy vs Akainu ain't happening are just lying to themselves and will get harsh truth of reality in their 30s I guess.
 
#13
Luffy and Akainu will certainly clash, but I think that in the end, Sabo will defeat Akainu. Sabo holds no grudge against Akainu, but so does Luffy not. He accepted that Ace lived his life as a pirate and Luffy remembered who it is worth living for - his friends. Shanks too said that it's ok to cry, but that at some point, a man has to look forward. Garp also, in the heat of moment, wanted to kill Akainu but now doesn't seem to care when working under him.

It's not because Sabo holds grudge against Akainu, that they are destined to fight, but because Sabo essentially took Ace' place as a brother, inheriting Ace' will and power. And Ace' will back then was to stand in Akainu's way and protect Luffy, which will be repeated with Sabo, albeit successfully.

As it was pointed out, in the grand scheme of things, Akainu is but a soldier obeying the rules of the higher ups. With Blackbeard (the evil version of Luffy essentially, who wants to destroy the world, paralleling Xebec) and Imu (the king of the world and ruler of the WG) I don't really see where Akainu fits as an opponent Luffy must defeat, since Akainu's defeat would fulfill nothing.

Luffy/Joyboy is a liberator, not an avenger.
 
#14
Feel like this is the most eloquent thread I ever made.
Anyways people who think Luffy vs Akainu ain't happening are just lying to themselves and will get harsh truth of reality in their 30s I guess.
No shit, there weren't any insults in the OP, had to recheck if it was your post.

I expect Luffy vs Akainu and Sabo vs Gorosei. But don't bet too much on Oda staying true to the narrative he has built up. Forget ZKK, Luffy is the new Joyboy and the new Ryuma.
 
#15
Sabo is the perfect opponent for Ryokugyu. Fire is effective against wood. Ryokugyu is more loyal to the Celestial Dragons than Akainu, while Sabo is one of their biggest enemies.
 

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#16
I believe he will fight Sakazuki.
First off Oda decided that the two chief news Luffy and we as the audience should know about are
> Sakazuki's victory over Kuzan
> Teach's rise to being a Yonko

I mean he even drew them in the exact same manner
Let's even compare the reactions Luffy has to both of them.
> Luffy sitting and listening to a story about Sakazuki and at the mention of Sakazuki's name his scar starts throbbing in pain and he starts sweating showing visible anxiety at the mere mention of Sakazuki

> Whereas, when it comes to Teach, Luffy doesn't care and is spacing out and focusing on other things, such as eating

And the reactions make perfect sense. One Piece is a story and one in particular in which "ambition", "determination", "drive", "willpower" or whatever other synonyms one prefers directly confers martial prowess. This concept is so prevalent that it is physically instantiated in the phenomenon known as haki:
And who was the one that made Luffy doubt himself? Who was the one that broke that indomitable will, spirit, or whatever you prefer?
It was Sakazuki of course. When he killed his brother in front of his eyes




> Sakazuki broke that spirit. Sakazuki made Luffy doubt himself. Out of countless ruthless enemies, it was Sakazuki, and Sakazuki alone that achieved that.



> Coupled with the symbolism in One Piece that scars represent, Sakazuki and Luffy are imo destined to meet and fight.


But you never know with how OP's writing has been recently.​
 
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#17
Akainu's fight at this point oscillates between: Sabo, Aokiji.

I do not believe that it is the role of the liberator Luffy to break the link that the navy has with the world government, this link of submission supporting and carrying out every monstrous and absurd atrocity that is ordered. The Marines themselves are the ones who need to put an end to this, and Aokiji's role could be that... Because it would be hilarious for Luffy to go there and fight Akainu in the end to do what? Free the navy that spent hundreds of years submissive to the government? LMFAO.

How hilarious is it, a pirate freeing the navy...
 
#18
Luffy fighting Arlong was to free Nami from Arlong's grasp, his fight with Lucci was to free Robin from CP0, his fight against Crocodile was to free Alabasta and to fulfill Vivi's request. Most of his fights were freeing people and coincidentally he is Warrior of Liberation. While Luffy did fight for revenge, it is mostly small scuffle like Holdem, Bellamy, Franky Family and Celestial Dragon. Akainu currently doesn't take away the freedom of anyone.

On the other hand, Sabo deformed the face of someone just threatening his brother then he would have more anger against someone who did kill his brother. And for anyone saying that Sabo is weak against Akainu, I think that's one of the reason why he would fight against Akainu. He would be the underdog of the fight.

And also in the same chapter titled Flame Emperor where Sabo was given the title, is the same chapter where Akainu made a bold statement about fighting anyone who comes against them. Coincidence? I don't think so. Akainu vs Sabo most probably.
 
#19
If we say the story is about pirates, the Navy (or armies) in general are the biggest threat to said pirates (both historically irl and in this story). It wasn‘t pirates who forced the SHs into a 2 year training, it was the Marines. It was no pirate who almost killed the entire crew, it was Kizaru. The final antagonists will be the WG and that‘s what this final Saga is about. Blackbeard will at max be a rival fight EoS similar to Sasuke in Naruto. Luffy wants freedom the most, but it isn‘t BB who prevents him from having any.
 
#20
If we say the story is about pirates, the Navy (or armies) in general are the biggest threat to said pirates (both historically irl and in this story). It wasn‘t pirates who forced the SHs into a 2 year training, it was the Marines. It was no pirate who almost killed the entire crew, it was Kizaru. The final antagonists will be the WG and that‘s what this final Saga is about. Blackbeard will at max be a rival fight EoS similar to Sasuke in Naruto. Luffy wants freedom the most, but it isn‘t BB who prevents him from having any.
Luffy wants freedom and it is not the marines that stop him it is the world government
 
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