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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#61
G4 and awakening are PUs or not? What does it do to Luffy if he doesn’t finish fast mid fight? There are PUs that have side effects so yeah power up clearly aren’t all the same either need training to make a person much stronger or the type like RS. Enma is put in high regard and was made to be special for a reason. Definitely not for Ztard to act like it’s a downgrade.
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G4 is a form

Enma is a sword that takes it's users haki and wastes it

That's all it ever did


Enma adds 0 power of its own.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#62
G4 and awakening are PUs or not? What does it do to Luffy if he doesn’t finish fast mid fight? There are PUs that have side effects so yeah power up clearly aren’t all the same either need training to make a person much stronger or the type like RS. Enma is put in high regard and was made to be special for a reason. Definitely not for Ztard to act like it’s a downgrade.
Zoro never grew stronger due to Enma as I have been saying the whole time and 1033 proved it.
CoC is what made Zoro stronger, not Enma which did the opposite, made him weaker bcs he held back.
 
#64
No it's not lmfao

Enma has nothing to do with zoros coc.


Koh is zoro releasing both coc and ryou into all his swords at once

He can swap enma for any sword now and still do the same.

If Zoro has zero understanding of the basics of CoC and how to use it then Enma is the catalyst for Conqueror's coating. The application of Ryou and AdvCoC is the same. Only difference being that it comes from two different types of Haki.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#65
If Zoro has zero understanding of the basics of CoC and how to use it then Enma is the catalyst for Conqueror's coating. The application of Ryou and AdvCoC is the same. Only difference being that it comes from two different types of Haki.
Enma has nothing to do with acoc
Enma only needs constant COA

Zoro was turning his acoc on and off at will against King
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#66
If Zoro has zero understanding of the basics of CoC
Unfortunately for you, it isn't true lmao.
If what you say is true, then he should be using CoC [characterized by lightning] and overflowing Ryou [characterized by smoke] at all times since he isn't in control but is just going with flow.

But that's not true.
He alternates between just using overflowing Ryou, just using CoC and combining the two at the same time; the combination is En'Ou.

When he said he doesn't understand what CoC coating was, he meant that he had no idea what Kaidou was talking about since CoC infusion in Dead Man's Game happened accidentally.
That doesn't mean he has no idea what CoC is at all lmao.

He knew what CoC was at the start of the TS itself when he recognized it with Luffy.
Here with KoH, he is doing it on purpose and is in full control of what he's doing.
 
#70
Unfortunately for you, it isn't true lmao.
If what you say is true, then he should be using CoC [characterized by lightning] and overflowing Ryou [characterized by smoke] at all times since he isn't in control but is just going with flow.

But that's not true.
He alternates between just using overflowing Ryou, just using CoC and combining the two at the same time; the combination is En'Ou.

When he said he doesn't understand what CoC coating was, he meant that he had no idea what Kaidou was talking about since CoC infusion in Dead Man's Game happened accidentally.
That doesn't mean he has no idea what CoC is at all lmao.

He knew what CoC was at the start of the TS itself when he recognized it with Luffy.
Here with KoH, he is doing it on purpose and is in full control of what he's doing.
Unfortunately for you, it isn't true lmao.
If what you say is true, then he should be using CoC [characterized by lightning] and overflowing Ryou [characterized by smoke] at all times since he isn't in control but is just going with flow.

But that's not true.
He alternates between just using overflowing Ryou, just using CoC and combining the two at the same time; the combination is En'Ou.

When he said he doesn't understand what CoC coating was, he meant that he had no idea what Kaidou was talking about since CoC infusion in Dead Man's Game happened accidentally.
That doesn't mean he has no idea what CoC is at all lmao.

He knew what CoC was at the start of the TS itself when he recognized it with Luffy.
Here with KoH, he is doing it on purpose and is in full control of what he's doing.
As far as I can recall he never alternated attacks without AdvCoC during his fight with King. Every single attack he made had AdvCoC in it. You can go through moments where the panel doesn't show lightning and it wouldn't mean anything. Because lightning isn't always active especially when the person is not about to initiate an attack as we saw with Roger and Luffy. You're also missing the panel after which clearly shows him using lightning in that attack.


There was no misconception when Zoro plainly stated he had no idea what he used against Kaido. It's was him being unaware of the power he has. If you recall when Zoro used Asura against Kaido he said he used everything he had on that attack. Meaning he wasn't holding back any Haki or power. That's why he ended up using AdvCoC by accident. Because earlier he had done the same thing. Except this time he had made the choice to stop slowing down the flow of Haki.
 
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ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#71
As far as I can recall he never alternated attacks without AdvCoC during his fight with King. Every single attack he made had AdvCoC in it. You can go through moments where the panel doesn't show lightning and it wouldn't mean anything. Because lightning isn't always active especially when the person is not about to initiate an attack as we saw with Roger and Luffy.
He infuses CoC in attacks, he isn't using it casually while simply holding Enma since that's effectively just wastage. That's how Roger, Oden, Luffy and Kaidou and pretty much everyone uses CoC.
Even post Wano we see him use Bird Dance with Enma & with zero CoC on it.
In the Bird Dance move against King, he just uses Lightning and not the characteristic smoke effect of Ryuo... which is why the move is titled "Bird Dance" and not "King of Hell: Bird Dance" like how Purgatory Onigiri or Dragon Damnation were named.
Essentially alternating between all out Ryuo and CoC.

There was no misconception when Zoro plainly stated he had no idea what he used against Kaido. It's was him being unaware of the power he has. If you recall when Zoro used Asura against Kaido he said he used everything he had on that attack. Meaning he wasn't holding back any Haki or power. That's why he ended up using AdvCoC by accident. Because earlier he had done the same thing.
And that's what I'm talking about lol.
It was a new power to him at that point and infusion there happened accidentally.
He then tapped into the power in vs King fight so ofcourse until that moment it was a new power to him hence that statement.
Both Luffy & Zoro took a while until they realized they could infuse attacks with CoC as well.
 
#73
He infuses CoC in attacks, he isn't using it casually while simply holding Enma since that's effectively just wastage. That's how Roger, Oden, Luffy and Kaidou and pretty much everyone uses CoC.
Even post Wano we see him use Bird Dance with Enma & with zero CoC on it.
In the Bird Dance move against King, he just uses Lightning and not the characteristic smoke effect of Ryuo... which is why the move is titled "Bird Dance" and not "King of Hell: Bird Dance" like how Purgatory Onigiri or Dragon Damnation were named.
Essentially alternating between all out Ryuo and CoC.


And that's what I'm talking about lol.
It was a new power to him at that point and infusion there happened accidentally.
He then tapped into the power in vs King fight so ofcourse until that moment it was a new power to him hence that statement.
Both Luffy & Zoro took a while until they realized they could infuse attacks with CoC as well.
That's basically the same idea as putting the tap on Haki usage when he isn't attacking. Doesn't mean Enma isn't releasing it.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#75
That's basically the same idea as putting the tap on Haki usage when he isn't attacking. Doesn't mean Enma isn't releasing it.


Difference is that's not the same case with overflowing Ryuo... he has to have it on almost all the time else Enma would act up again.
Plus there's almost no proof that Enma's dragging out CoC and not Zoro voluntarily coating it... meanwhile the Bird Dance panel again shows that he's willingly coating it with him doing just CoC (no Ryuo) on Sandai alone & not the other two swords.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#77
First use in Kuri is proof that Enma cant do shit about CoC.
Oden's decades-long use of Enma without CoC is proof that his path with Enma was never like Zoro's.
Even the usage at Kuri asside,
Oden wielded Enma without any problems all his life, even before he saw Roger & Newgate clash after which only he learnt the ability to coat his attacks with CoC. That wouldn't have happened if Enma could drag out CoC.
 
#78


Difference is that's not the same case with overflowing Ryuo... he has to have it on almost all the time else Enma would act up again.
Plus there's almost no proof that Enma's dragging out CoC and not Zoro voluntarily coating it... meanwhile the Bird Dance panel again shows that he's willingly coating it with him doing just CoC (no Ryuo) on Sandai alone & not the other two swords.
The evidence is there. Zoro has denied having it twice.






Zoro knows how to use Ryou given that he is a swordsman. His experience with Conqueror's haki is zero prior to the Kaido encounter. The fact that Enma draws Haki out of Zoro whenever it is used is also evidence to back up the fact that Enma is the one responsible. That and the fact that prior to this Zoro has never once utilized any form of Conqueror's haki even when faced with a tough opponent. It all started after the Enma chapter.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#79
The evidence is there. Zoro has denied having it twice.






Zoro knows how to use Ryou given that he is a swordsman. His experience with Conqueror's haki is zero prior to the Kaido encounter. The fact that Enma draws Haki out of Zoro whenever it is used is also evidence to back up the fact that Enma is the one responsible.
Why did enma never draw out odens coc for 20 years ?
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#80
The evidence is there. Zoro has denied having it twice.
Which is as i said before as well, taking a statement out of the context it was said in.
He denied having knowledge of coating Dead Man's Game with CoC & only realized that he could even do so during the King fight.

The Brook panel is a literal gag/foreshadowing for him unlocking CoC in the future lmfao.
I can't believe you seriously used that as an argument even.

Zoro knows how to use Ryou given that he is a swordsman. His experience with Conqueror's haki is zero prior to the Kaido encounter. The fact that Enma draws Haki out of Zoro whenever it is used is also evidence to back up the fact that Enma is the one responsible.
Enma draws out CoA, not CoC.
Enma didn't draw out CoC not once before Dead Man's Game and not once until Zoro willingly did so in 1033.

Besides,



Why is Sandai alone coated with CoC here? I thought Enma is what's dragging out CoC with Zoro having no knowledge about it.
 
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