General & Others How disappointed would you be if the M3 didn’t fight Calamities?

[bennbeckman]

There's also a reason Oda hasn't pushed Zoro to his limit, and as a big Zoro fan i do believe Sanji has been done too many disservices against Doflamingo (which i think him beating sanji was only used to hype him up) and his fights in WCI losing to his dad and his brother and then not getting a true 1V1 and then in wano puts his pride aside to use the raid suit given to him by the man he hates most.

They deserve their big fights imo moreso zoro, but Sanji vs Queen will be good, 2 strong, goofy guys who love the ladies

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

There's also a reason Oda hasn't pushed Zoro to his limit, and as a big Zoro fan i do believe Sanji has been done too many disservices against Doflamingo (which i think him beating sanji was only used to hype him up) and his fights in WCI losing to his dad and his brother and then not getting a true 1V1 and then in wano puts his pride aside to use the raid suit given to him by the man he hates most.

DD does not need Sanji as hype tool when he beat Law right after...
Sanji simply was not up to the task.

 

[bennbeckman]

DD does not need Sanji as hype tool when he beat Law right after...
Sanji simply was not up to the task.

Doffy beating Sanji with ease was a part of it IMO, and you can easily argue Law was never fighting at full strength when he went 1v1 with Mingo each time.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Doffy beating Sanji with ease was a part of it IMO, and you can easily argue Law was never fighting at full strength when he went 1v1 with Mingo each time.

Dude, DD was casually toying around with two guys with Sanji´s strength pre-TS already, and was having fun in Marineford with even stronger guys.
Sanji was not on the level to be used as hype tool, that´s just an excuse for his poor performance.
Law was not severely hurt and did not use his ability too much, how was he not fighting at full strength.
That´s like claiming he had a hard fight against Fujitora and DD at the same time, which is nonsense.

 

[bennbeckman]

Dude, DD was casually toying around with two guys with Sanji´s strength pre-TS already, and was having fun in Marineford with even stronger guys.
Sanji was not on the level to be used as hype tool, that´s just an excuse for his poor performance.
Law was not severely hurt and did not use his ability too much, how was he not fighting at full strength.
That´s like claiming he had a hard fight against Fujitora and DD at the same time, which is nonsense.

Law was never fighting at full strength from the moment he got pinned by doflamingo and fujitora.

My point was they made Sanji look extremely inferior to Doffy in that scene esp that he specializes in COO and was caught in Doffy's web. I was saying Sanji looking that inferior did him an injustice.

Also FTR Im on the Zoro wank but sometimes i gotta come to the defense on Sanji

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Law was never fighting at full strength from the moment he got pinned by doflamingo and fujitora.

My point was they made Sanji look extremely inferior to Doffy in that scene esp that he specializes in COO and was caught in Doffy's web. I was saying Sanji looking that inferior did him an injustice.

Also FTR Im on the Zoro wank but sometimes i gotta come to the defense on Sanji

Getting pinned down is not hurting you, at least not to the degree of not being able to fight fully.

Because he is.

Does not mean much to me, i do not judge based on what camp you belong to, but by argument.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Dude, DD was casually toying around with two guys with Sanji´s strength pre-TS already, and was having fun in Marineford with even stronger guys.
Sanji was not on the level to be used as hype tool, that´s just an excuse for his poor performance.
Law was not severely hurt and did not use his ability too much, how was he not fighting at full strength.
That´s like claiming he had a hard fight against Fujitora and DD at the same time, which is nonsense.

Law wasnt going all out vs fuji and Doffy
He was stalling time.

 

[bennbeckman]

Getting pinned down is not hurting you, at least not to the degree of not being able to fight fully.

Because he is.

Does not mean much to me, i do not judge based on what camp you belong to, but by argument.

My argument is being exhausted also means not being able to fight at full strength, he spent a lot of time running and using room to buy time, then by the time he faced off vs Doffy the first time he wasnt at 100% energy, the same when he faced him the second time

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

My argument is being exhausted also means not being able to fight at full strength, he spent a lot of time running and using room to buy time, then by the time he faced off vs Doffy the first time he wasnt at 100% energy, the same when he faced him the second time

See above. We only saw Law dodging all the time, so this is all speculation.
He pointed out himself he will not use his powers until it is absolutely necessary to be fresh to fight DD.

 

[bennbeckman]

See above. We only saw Law dodging all the time, so this is all speculation.
He pointed out himself he will not use his powers until it is absolutely necessary to be fresh to fight DD.

Trying to reserve energy, but that failed and in his first fight vs Doflaming he tired out

 

[Patryipe]

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a sabo rescue arc(despite all the possible evidence we have now pointing towards it). Do you or do you not believe that Luffy will fight the marines?

And yes, Zoro couldn't beat a fucking YC3 in dressrosa. Luffy would have got mid diffed by cracker if it was a 1v1 fight. Zoro's bounty is less than half of cracker's.

Yes sure, at EoS during the final war.

If you think DR Zoro needs Asura plus Enma to take out a YC3 how many PUs does he still need before EoS? 2-3 minimum, unless you think the jump from YC3 to YC1 to TT is smaller than the jump from DR Zoro to YC3, which I don't think. When is he getting them? Not sure you have noticed, but anybody not named Luffy post TS struggles just to get decent panel time, let alone fights.

 

[Finalbeta]

Law wasnt going all out vs fuji and Doffy
He was stalling time.

Law was a clear fodder to Fuji and Doffy, and we saw that

Best he could do against Doffy was a mid diff either he was focused or not

 

[Ravagerblade]

Are you upset that Luffy didn't get Enma?

Nah, I'd rather Hiyori use Enma and Ame together. I did want Luffy to have/use more of Nidai.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Noticed something. Before flying away, Kanjuro tells kawamatsu that he will find Hiyori and kill her. Given his relationship with Hiyori, this could be huge set up for Zoro vs Kanjuro.

If you think DR Zoro needs Asura plus Enma to take out a YC3 how many PUs does he still need before EoS? 2-3 minimum, unless you think the jump from YC3 to YC1 to TT is smaller than the jump from DR Zoro to YC3, which I don't think. When is he getting them? Not sure you have noticed, but anybody not named Luffy post TS struggles just to get decent panel time, let alone fights.

Is it not entirely reasonable for Zoro to get 2-3 power ups before EOS?

1. nidai kitetsu
2. internal destruction CoA
3. black blades

 

[Finalbeta]

Nah, I'd rather Hiyori use Enma and Ame together. I did want Luffy to have/use more of Nidai.

I want to see that :cheers:

 

[critical mindset]

Kanjuro is a weakling so he won't be anybody's best feat from the crew. Kinemon will take care of his ass.

I have no doubt that they will fight sweet commanders or calamities.

Kanjuro can “conjure up”, as it were, anything. He should be able to shore up Kaido’s forces with the kind of dragons that Zoro can test his mettle against, thereby living up to the hype and carrying on the legacy with Enma set by Oden in the eyes of the Wano people if he can quasi-replicate Oden’s feats. Kanjuro can spam a bunch of those japanese freak monsters, so Kinnemon is not a worthy by himself opponent. He will likely duo with Zoro, calling it now

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

What is this shit with Zoro vs Kanjuro? this is serious or some trolls/dumbfucks messing around?

As for fights...i don't expect anything anymore. Still dissapointed Zoro won't get to fight a true epic samurai battle in country full of samurai...

not really hyped about any potential fight yet tbh

 

[critical mindset]

What is this shit with Zoro vs Kanjuro? this is serious or some trolls/dumbfucks messing around?

As for fights...i don't expect anything anymore. Still dissapointed Zoro won't get to fight a true epic samurai battle in country full of samurai...

not really hyped about any potential fight yet tbh

Oda had Zoro isolated from the main group off on his own exploration of Wano, his country of birth by all likelihood, meeting Yasuie and learning of its history and seeing it’s miseries, all to further cement his personal ties to the country. To further connect with the populace and the samurai, there’s nothing better than actually slaying a real actual dragon, to replicate what Oden did and at the same time seek and exact justice where it would be most heartfelt: against those who corrupted Wano in the first place, the Koruzumis. In one fell swoop that makes him a true wanoese in the eyes of everyone, worthy of wielding the legendary sword Shushii and carry on Ryuma’s legacy. That’s why I see it makes more sense to fight Kanjuro, whom we now know is not weak as he is the perfect “conjurer”

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Oda had Zoro isolated from the main group off on his own exploration of Wano, his country of birth by all likelihood, meeting Yasuie and learning of its history and seeing it’s miseries, all to further cement his personal ties to the country. To further connect with the populace and the samurai, there’s nothing better than actually slaying a real actual dragon, to replicate what Oden did and at the same time seek and exact justice where it would be most heartfelt: against those who corrupted Wano in the first place, the Koruzumis. In one fell swoop that makes him a true wanoese in the eyes of everyone, worthy of wielding the legendary sword Shushii ans carry on Ryuma’s legacy. That’s why I see it makes more sense to fight Kanjuro, whom we now know is not weak as he is the perfect “conjurer”

the fact that Kanjuro is going after Hiyori is the final nail in the coffin that he will fight zoro for me

I think I might make a zoro vs kanjuro thread sometime. Compile all the evidence and see if there are at least some people who'd have an open mind to read it.

 

[critical mindset]

the fact that Kanjuro is going after Hiyori is the final nail in the coffin that he will fight zoro for me

Ah yeah, now I’m more sold on the idea! :)

Edit: sorry didn’t read all the prior posts, you’d already posted this :)