Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1072 Spoilers Discussion

[huggertkettle]

The fact is there was no such thing that you are talking about when Zoro or Oden cut Kaidou, as simple as that.


It was though... that's the entire narrative behind RT that CoA was shallow & CoC cuts/hits deep enough to wound Kaidou - shown with both Luffy & Scabbards.
The entire purpose of Kaidou mocking the Scabbards attempt and telling them they are powerless to even reopen the scar and praising Zoro's CoC after taking a full on attack from him, which coincidentally leaves a scar, is literally to highlight that.


The Kaidou sequence happened as you said, when he gave everything he had and Enma accidentally pulled CoC out.
Heavily disagree about the King sequence though.
He was basically feeding CoA to Enma to satiate it and further decided to give it CoC.
Made a thread about it a long time ago with panels, explanations and stuff, we can discuss there if you want: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-requirements-and-what-is-king-of-hell.21792/

But there was you see, because that's how Enma was introduced. A blade that sucks out the user's Ryou.

You don't need to coat CoC to be using it. He was unconsciously using normal CoC, but there is no black lighting, or coating or anything like that to suggest otherwise.

Look at your third point. You just said "Enma" accidentally pulled CoC out. I thought it was all Zoro? The thing about Haki is that panels are never enough to show all that's happening, whereas Enma is stated to have the ability to let Ryou flow out of the user.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I wont be surprised if Vegapunk has clones of former yonkos now its almost confirms weevil is Whitebeard's clone.

 

[nik87]

He couldn't become King of Hell with any sword though. That's all I'm saying. Enma is literally King of Hell. So there is something special about Enma. I have read your 6 paths and found it interesting btw.

And there is an easy way to prove you wrong there as well.
If Black Blades are a result of mastery of all 6 paths, it means both Ryuma and Mihawk mastered the path of hell without Enma.
And why would anyone need Enma to fully release their hakis? King of Hell is Zoro's representative of Hell path.
It has nothing to do with Enma other than sharing the name. He was intended to master Hell path and wanted to become a King.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

There is no one panel stating anything is a buff. But if I had to use one, you've already provided me many. The first time Zoro picks up enma and cuts off half an island is the biggest one for me. If he does that with any other sword, he will NOT cut half an island like that.

I see alot of people don't know what a buff is.

1. Zoro was already capable of cliff cutting before enma

All enma does is pull out WHAT it's user already has.

2. Which by default makes enma a training tool. It doesn't add to zoros haki pool. It simply takes from zoro. It takes more of zoros haki than neccesarry. The push and pull having enma is what drastically increases his haki faster. It's literally a training tool by defintion

 

[huggertkettle]

And there is an easy way to prove you wrong there as well.
If Black Blades are a result of mastery of all 6 paths, it means both Ryuma and Mihawk mastered the path of hell without Enma.
And why would anyone need Enma to fully release their hakis? King of Hell is Zoro's representative of Hell path.
It has nothing to do with Enma other than sharing the name. He was intended to master Hell path and wanted to become a King.

Well I'm sorry to disagree with you here, but now you are talking about the path of hell as if it's canon. While I do find it interesting, you can't use it in an argument, so the thing about Ryuma and Mihawk mastering the path to hell is not valid, sorry.

 

[Rukusho]

I see alot of people don't know what a buff is.

1. Zoro was already capable of cliff cutting before enma

All enma does is pull out WHAT it's user already has.

2. Which by default makes enma a training tool. It doesn't add to zoros haki pool. It simply takes and users more of zoros haki than neccesarry. The push and pull having enma is what drastically increases his haki faster. It's literally a training tool by defintion

I really think they don’t understand how Enma works, probably watching a lot of YouTubers

 

[huggertkettle]

???? Zoro cut Pica which was a great deal bigger than the cliff he cut…????

I truly don’t think you understand how Enma works.

The point of that scene was to emphasis how he didn't mean to cut that much. It was a result of Enma drawing out so much Haki that the cut ended up being that big. It was just a simple swing of the sword, whereas he MEANT to cut Pica.

 

[ConquistadoR]

But there was you see, because that's how Enma was introduced. A blade that sucks out the user's Ryou.

And cuts more than required, yes.

You don't need to coat CoC to be using it. He was unconsciously using normal CoC, but there is no black lighting, or coating or anything like that to suggest otherwise.

You don't need to see the visuals when the narrative is pretty clear.
4 Scabbards with CoA -> can't even reopen the scar.
1 move with CoC -> New scar.
After which Kaidou praises Zoro's CoC, not CoA.
In fact, Kaidou won't be stunned like he was if it was just basic CoC, that attack was 100% laced with CoC imo.

Look at your third point. You just said "Enma" accidentally pulled CoC out. I thought it was all Zoro? The thing about Haki is that panels are never enough to show all that's happening, whereas Enma is stated to have the ability to let Ryou flow out of the user.

vs Kaidou: it was accidental.
vs King: it was Zoro doing so.

 

[Shisui]

I wont be surprised if Vegapunk has clones of former yonkos now its almost confirms weevil is Whitebeard's clone.

Nah not my goat

 

[Malio]

we don't know .

Zoro is weirdly similar to ryuma and Oda do not want give us his back story for some reason .(It was obviously linked to wano )
IN his flash back he look like he is out of place .

Something realy weird about zoro and ryuma .

We do know. Zoro is his own man and a clone of no one. The simplest and most obvious answer is, that he is a descendent of Ryuma

 

[sanjikun]

?? Navy has Zoans too some of the VA had them

Ok, but why are all the CP0/Impel Down crowd Zooans? The only ones that weren't were Magellan/Shiriew.

 

[nik87]

Well I'm sorry to disagree with you here, but now you are talking about the path of hell as if it's canon. While I do find it interesting, you can't use it in an argument, so the thing about Ryuma and Mihawk mastering the path to hell is not valid, sorry.

Path of hell is as canon as his other 4 paths are. You dont have to wait for Mihawk and Ryuma.
All it takes is Zoro using KOH with 1-sword style and that sword isnt Enma.
All trolls lose the ground they stand on very, very fast. Learn from noodles or Erkan.

 

[MarineHQ]

And Swordsmanship confirmed >>>>>>>>> awakening

Lmfao. First of all it's a basic ass Zoan awakening.

The order goes Logia Awakening >>>>> Mythical Zoan > Ancient Zoan ~ regular zoan

Don't be so happy because Zoro the guy u all think is above Luffy to defeat Kaku Awakened or not, that's the least thing we expect of him.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Lmao, I knew Seatonnes's spoilers were fake.

 

[Rukusho]

The point of that scene was to emphasis how he didn't mean to cut that much. It was a result of Enma drawing out so much Haki that the cut ended up being that big. It was just a simple swing of the sword, whereas he MEANT to cut Pica.

Right… so Zoro can cut that same cliff if he wanted to without Enma, Enma is a thief.

If Zoro’s haki pool is 100 and he attempts to cuts something using 5/100 and Enma takes 80/100 that doesn’t mean Enma is a buff it’s a problem.

 

[huggertkettle]

I see alot of people don't know what a buff is.

1. Zoro was already capable of cliff cutting before enma

All enma does is pull out WHAT it's user already has.

2. Which by default makes enma a training tool. It doesn't add to zoros haki pool. It simply takes and users more of zoros haki than neccesarry. The push and pull having enma is what drastically increases his haki faster. It's literally a training tool by defintion

Why is it necessary to have Enma then? If he can already cut cliffs? That was not the point of the scene, to show us that Zoro can cut cliffs lol. I think everyone already knew that. It just showed us the sheer amount of the user's Ryuo the blade allows to flow out of them. Which imo is a buff. If you have a tool that lets you be more fluid with your Ryou, that's a buff.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Damn even kaku has awakening meanwhile kaido and big mom cries in corner. Starting to think yonkos didnt deserve to lose now.

 

[huggertkettle]

Path of hell is as canon as his other 4 paths are. You dont have to wait for Mihawk and Ryuma.
All it takes is Zoro using KOH with 1-sword style and that sword isnt Enma.
All trolls lose the ground they stand on very, very fast. Learn from noodles or Erkan.

Okay, so you have now lost any canon points you had, so you resort to your headcanon to argue further. Understood. Won't continue our discussion which I actually enjoyed.

 

[The White Crane]

???? Zoro cut Pica which was a great deal bigger than the cliff he cut…????

I truly don’t think you understand how Enma works.

To be fair, @huggertkettle wouldn't even know how to differentiate the One Piece we are reading and the Two Piece he is reading.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Ok, but why are all the CP0/Impel Down crowd Zooans? The only ones that weren't were Magellan/Shiriew.

Idk about the Impel Down group, they're all unskilled dumb brutes who were probably awakened forcefully as you said and lost their minds.

CP-0 probably take in more Zooan users than other dfs, because they specialize in Rokushiki based martial arts and a Zooan is the best for that as Rob Lucci explained in his Hybrid introduction in EL.