Powers & Abilities Between ''Haki is everything'' and '' mythical zoan is the rarest fruit'', which of the phrases was more of a lie???

#5
I don't agree with that and for me Haki is everything and is confirmed again and again and again lol.
There is no defence against aokiji's ice akainu's magma and so on if you don't have super haki. Yes without top tier haki it's almost impossible to make it to the big leagues.
Even Luffy with the strongest df known imo and he would do nothing to kaido without his top tier haki.
As for the mythical zoans again i disagree even if we reach 10 of them it is not a big number.
Seeing them now it's exactly the same with adv haki types, we are close to the end (lol) and it's natural to see the strongest and the most rarest abilities in the world.
 
#6
When fucking Stronger got a mythical fruit, that statement kinda became outdated.

And when Luffy got the Nika shit, the Haki stuff became invalid as well. Now we confirmed that Luffy becoming an "old man" after some time using G5 it's because of stamina issues, not because Kaido could damage him enough to bring him to that state (since it happened as well after fightning the fodder Lucci). So that means that Kaido did shit damage to G5 Luffy with his almighty Haki and strength combined (only with cutting attacks), he couldn't surpass the DF power (rubber).
 
#7
A statement of a character beliefs is now hard rule of one piece that oda rectcon because luffys df saved him from death, I don't get this logic

Your mythical zoan being rare logic also make no sence, three of those 4 are unknown by the world (if your talking yamato, orichi and luffy) and stronger was part of yonko crew that was hunting df and wow 4 is a big number, also there only 5 possible mythical zoan df that the world of one piece knows.
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When fucking Stronger got a mythical fruit, that statement kinda became outdated.
How is it hard to believe a member of a yonko crew that was hunting df got a mythical zoan.
 
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#8
Mythical zoan's still the rarest though. There are only like 10 in the manga after over a thousand chapters.

Blackbeard giving it to a horse doesn't make it less rare, that's simply a choice that suits the recipient and amps them as well. The Blackbeard Pirates specifically hunted for devil fruits so them displaying two mythical zoans isn't crazy for an Emperor Crew actively looking for impressive fruits.

Kaido, Yamato, Orochi and Onimaru were the only mythical zoans from Wano despite the animal theme. So basically a whole Emperor crew comprised of plenty of zoan users didn't have any mythical ones aside from Kaido himself and his child. Sounds pretty rare and the other two were native to Wano, one of the largest islands we've seen the crew encounter and for the sake of the cultural background, it's understandable Orochi's fruit was here for instance.

Marco's the only one from Whitebeard's crew and we have no indication that Big Mom's crew has one and the Navy's only shown Sengoku so out of these major powers that would benefit from these abilities, only less than 10 have been shown and the others were from different islands.

As the series progresses and we see more prominent figures and their subordinates at play, it makes sense we'd see more of even the rare fruits. If mythical zoans surpassed logia in number then maybe I'd get the complaint but as of right now, the number of mythical zoans is pretty small and considering the Straw Hats encountered have encountered most of the major players, it may not even reach 20.
 

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#11
Luffy would have died without his fruit even despite his haki.

Counting current arc + wano act 3, we´ve already seen 4 mythical zoans and counting.

Which brings the question: which of the phrase is faker? which of them got more retconned by oda???
Why would either be a lie? Mythical zoans are still the rarest and every character who is the peak of power in one piece from roger to whitebeard to kaido uses advcoc
 
#17
Its what Kaido told Luffy when they were Kaido vs Funny Luffy "G5".
wasnt it ' haki transcends all ' ?
these 2 sentences can easily have different meanings
haki surpassing everything means haki is the strongest ability in the verse , which i dont think is wrong .

' haki is everything ' can mean that only haki is the most relevant ability and other abilities like awakening is irrelevant which is not true at all
 
#19
Luffy would have died without his fruit even despite his haki.

Counting current arc + wano act 3, we´ve already seen 4 mythical zoans and counting.

Which brings the question: which of the phrase is faker? which of them got more retconned by oda???
Haki is everything and Mythical Zoans are the rarest fruit.

You can become the strongest without a fruit. You can’t become the strongest without haki.

There are less fruits Mythical Zoans than any other fruit.
 
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