Powers & Abilities Between ''Haki is everything'' and '' mythical zoan is the rarest fruit'', which of the phrases was more of a lie???

[duckman]

The only people that believe haki over everything is a lie is sanji fans because u guys want to keep zoros and Sanji close… shanks fans to a degree because it’s also the reason mihawk is over shanks

How unfortunate for you then, that Sanji and Zoro keep themselves close in bounties, opponents, and the like. Where's Zoro's Ifrit Jambe and Skywalk? Different people have different move sets. Just because some movesets are DNA-locked doesn't mean they're automatically over others

 

[ShadowStyle369]

How unfortunate for you then, that Sanji and Zoro keep themselves close in bounties, opponents, and the like. Where's Zoro's Ifrit Jambe and Skywalk? Different people have different move sets. Just because some movesets are DNA-locked doesn't mean they're automatically over others

Well when u get a ability that only a handful of the very strongest have imo it automatically puts it over the others until proven otherwise at least

 

[CbShadow]

How unfortunate for you then, that Sanji and Zoro keep themselves close in bounties, opponents, and the like. Where's Zoro's Ifrit Jambe and Skywalk? Different people have different move sets. Just because some movesets are DNA-locked doesn't mean they're automatically over others

It's kind of funny when Zoro has a fire technique, flying dragon blaze, and flying technique, clear lance.

 

[Jailer]

"Haki is everything" is the absolute cap. While mythical zoan being the rarest is canon as zoan are the rarest type of devil fruits.

How is it cap when you can't become the absolute top of the verse without it, you can't even reach top tier status or bonafide high tier without it.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Both are correct–weirdly so since one piece is famous for its lies.

There are multiple top tiers with haki only, and some with even just haki like Garp, but there's none, and I repeat for those in the back NONE top tiers with only DF. That pretty much answers it.

Mythical Zoans are a rarity so far, but it might change in the future. Only a handful of characters have mythical Zoan abilities, that pretty much confirms its rarity.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Well ofc , u can’t get to the top with devil fruits or any other power alone , whereas with haki alone u can reach that ceiling
Haki is the best ability in the verse and I don’t think this can be debunked since there are literally 0 toptiers without haki but there are toptiers who rely solely on haki

Haki is not a fighting style imo , it’s an ability which enhances those styles
For eg what u mentioned
devil fruits , swordsmanship , martial arts
These are fighting styles
Haki basically enhances these things , like how wb used haki in his gura attacks to make it more devastating and how kaido coated himself with acoc in flaming bagua
In swordsmanship , there is zoro
In martial arts , there is luffy
Tho haki can sometimes be used for fighting and this mostly relies on conquerors haki , but at best u can knock off some fodders with it , if u actually wanna fight then u gotta coat ur coc with ur fighting style which results in acoc

Yh that is exactly what i meant.

 

[kom5]

Both are correct–weirdly so since one piece is famous for its lies.

There are multiple top tiers with haki only, and some with even just haki like Garp, but there's none, and I repeat for those in the back NONE top tiers with only DF. That pretty much answers it.

Mythical Zoans are a rarity so far, but it might change in the future. Only a handful of characters have mythical Zoan abilities, that pretty much confirms its rarity.

Yes and Top Tier BM loses to base Haki Law and base Haki Kid

 

[Master OF Haki]

Yes and Top Tier BM loses to base Haki Law and base Haki Kid

But still haki though! Plus, she didn't lose them, the bombs got her, on top of that I'm sure she's still alive. If Kid and Law had no haki then they wouldn't be able to do even that. And last but not least, the fight against Meme was a tag team, if a character could eat (hypothetically) 10 DF at the same time, then yes, in that case you could have top tiers with only haki, but that's not the case.

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

Mythical zoans: orochi,kaido,luffy,devon,monster,yamato
marco
Logias:akainu aramaki aokiji crocodile enel monet kizaru sabo bb caribou

Haki is everything is not cap

Smoker has a logia. It sure seems like Dragon has one.

 

[duckman]

It's kind of funny when Zoro has a fire technique, flying dragon blaze, and flying technique, clear lance.

Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe aren't just fire techniques for one, and being able to push yourself off once or twice is different from Skywalk.

 

[CbShadow]

Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe aren't just fire techniques for one, and being able to push yourself off once or twice is different from Skywalk.

Zoro still knows a fire technique and flying technique. That was the point I was making.

 

[kom5]

But still haki though! Plus, she didn't lose them, the bombs got her, on top of that I'm sure she's still alive. If Kid and Law had no haki then they wouldn't be able to do even that. And last but not least, the fight against Meme was a tag team, if a character could eat (hypothetically) 10 DF at the same time, then yes, in that case you could have top tiers with only haki, but that's not the case.

cmon it was pure awakening they used once they used awakening they got the upper hand

 

[RoronoaZorro]

"Haki is everything" is the form of very classic shounen troupe, the most significant and common powers: one's own will.

Take Fairy Tail for example, just remember your friends, shout louder, and voila, you're stronger now.

This way, the power can be used for shounen-ish actions, life lessons, and plot. It teaches us the importance of friendship, a strong dedication, a hardwork personality, etc.