General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

Im more of a Carrotstan than remotely a Yamabro, i jsut think based on how the writing has gone, that that's whats most likely, the arcs are mostly irrelevant, because i don't even except that level of writing possibly.

It's more the fact that 80% of Yamato's existance seems to be fixating in joining the crew and it's not played off as a joke

It has always been a red hearing. Yamato was never meant to join. Her character revolved around the realization that the sea was not her future. (the future on the sea being represented by her wish to go with Luffy)

For Carrot on the other hand, its the opposite. While Oda made her stay on zou, her arc revolved around the discovering of the sea, (she literally was writen as seeing the sea like a wonderland). So technically, with what we had from her, Carrot shouldn't stay on Zou for long, she is only a teenager, her mind should be focused on what she lived:

The seas.

Now... The fact that Oda choosed to put Carrot at the head of the mink confirms a lot of things that I have been saying about Carrot over the years. Notably the fact that Carrot is constructed and written to represent the dawn. (or the dusk, your choice). Problem is.. there might have been a change of heart concerning Carrot. And this can actually be observed since the begininning of Wano. ..

I think Oda went too far with her.

He kept his writing coherent by giving her the status of Queen but choosed not to go too far with it. Which gave us that half weird ending for her. It does not feel "right" if you understand me.

My real question is: "what happened?" I don't think this has something to do with time or the editor story, I think it's something else.. but it's a real mystery. And I love mysteries lol

Anyway, Oda could go back.. or what he wrote could have actually been just a setup for Carrot, we can't know until the story is over.

Carrot still has a shot, much more likely than Yamato. It's just very slim.

 

[Sigran101]

I mean what else can i say besides i don't think it's happening and that's it's premature as fuck to think it will.

Of all the characters i still think Yamato is the most likely to join, but from the recent arc i think its only Bonney, and even she's iffy.

I don't think anyone is convinced yet, we're just speculating.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I mean what else can i say besides i don't think it's happening and that's it's premature as fuck to think it will.

Of all the characters i still think Yamato is the most likely to join, but from the recent arc i think its only Bonney, and even she's iffy.

Yamato returning also means Kinemon and Momo are returning and I just don’t see all that.

 

[Warback]

I don't think you need Momo to return for Yamato to show up again, you probably need to make up some bullsht for her to leave Wano alone tho.

I was actually partial to the idea that Vivi was going to get reintroduced with Kuma slapping her near the SHs but that didn't happen

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It has always been a red hearing. Yamato was never meant to join. Her character revolved around the realization that the sea was not her future. (the future on the sea being represented by her wish to go with Luffy)

For Carrot on the other hand, its the opposite. While Oda made her stay on zou, her arc revolved around the discovering of the sea, (she literally was writen as seeing the sea like a wonderland). So technically, with what we had from her, Carrot shouldn't stay on Zou for long, she is only a teenager, her mind should be focused on what she lived:

The seas.

Now... The fact that Oda choosed to put Carrot at the head of the mink confirms a lot of things that I have been saying about Carrot over the years. Notably the fact that Carrot is constructed and written to represent the dawn. (or the dusk, your choice). Problem is.. there might have been a change of heart concerning Carrot. And this can actually be observed since the begininning of Wano. ..

I think Oda went too far with her.

He kept his writing coherent by giving her the status of Queen but choosed not to go too far with it. Which gave us that half weird ending for her. It does not feel "right" if you understand me.

My real question is: "what happened?" I don't think this has something to do with time or the editor story, I think it's something else.. but it's a real mystery. And I love mysteries lol

Anyway, Oda could go back.. or what he wrote could have actually been just a setup for Carrot, we can't know until the story is over.

Carrot still has a shot, much more likely than Yamato. It's just very slim.

I think that editor thing is fake

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't think you need Momo to return for Yamato to show up again, you probably need to make up some bullsht for her to leave Wano alone tho.

I was actually partial to the idea that Vivi was going to get reintroduced with Kuma slapping her near the SHs but that didn't happen

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I think that editor thing is fake

Vivi seems like she’ll be post BB fight and maybe even final saga tag along

 

[meho_meho]

I never thought of Carrot as a possible candidate, if she is going to join, she would have already done so during WCI or Wano arcs, she saw Jinbei joining & didn't take an action, she was a suggested candidate by fans only, not by Oda, while Yamato was a candidate suggested by Oda, Oda was the one hinting to Yamato's joining, Yamato really wanted to sail with SHP, but she postponed her dream because she wants to protect Wano, while Carrot has nothing preventing her from joining, she just didn't consider joining

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Momo, Yamato, Kinemon, and Otama all of these guys wanted to join.

Vegapunk asked Luffy to get him out of Egghead, we still don't know if that's means he wants to join or not.

Vivi wanted to join but she was probably kidnapped by Imu

Yamato had so many hints to joining SHP, but I believe Otama has a chance as well

 

[Logiko]

she would have already done so during WCI or Wano arcs

Not necessarally, but yes it's indeed unlikely now.

Oda was the one hinting to Yamato's joining, Yamato really wanted to sail with SHP

Again, Yamato's dream was Freedom. Her arc revolve around the discovery of her own future. Her dream was never to sail with Luffy, she "thought" she wanted that, but instead discovered that what she truly wanted was to support the Wano family. Yamato won't come back (at least not to be more developped), her arc is done.

 

[meho_meho]

Again, Yamato's dream was Freedom. Her arc revolve around the discovery of her own future. Her dream was never to sail with Luffy, she "thought" she wanted that, but instead discovered that what she truly wanted was to support the Wano family. Yamato won't come back (at least not to be more developped), her arc is done.

chapter 1059 confirms that Yamato really wants to sail with Luffy no matter how u look at it, she just put Wano's safety first.
also it's not necessary for Yamato to join SHP in her arc assuming that Wano is her arc, Jinbei for example didn't join in Fishman island arc, he joined in Wano

 

[Warback]

Momo, Yamato, Kinemon, and Otama all of these guys wanted to join.

Did they ? By your own logic, Tama and Kinemon had " nothing preventing them from joining " aswell, only Momo and Yamato had to stay.

So sounds like bias on your part m8

 

[meho_meho]

Did they ? By your own logic, Tama and Kinemon had " nothing preventing them from joining " aswell, only Momo and Yamato had to stay.

So sounds like bias on your part m8

I don't think Kinemon or Momo will join, they had their journey with the crew, while Otama is still a child, that's why she stayed in Wano, & Luffy told her that she can join once she learn ninjutsu or whatever, Luffy probably was just trying to convince her to stay in Wano, but I just believe she might join because she asked for it, so maybe some future events leads to her joining.

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I believe both Yamato & Otama will join in the future

 

[Logiko]

Don't forget. Yamato wanting to join Luffy was never a dream or a need, it was a simple desire. A goal to attained freedom.
Now...

chapter 1059 confirms that Yamato really wants to sail with Luffy no matter how u look at it

This only confirms a desire of Yamato. And coherent with the writing of the scenes and her character. Writing that will COHERENTLY switch the desire of Yamato at the end of her character arc.

You need to understand that desire are not always fixed in character arcs. In fact most of the times, desires changed through the course of stories when the character discover "their real truth".

Let me give you some example in pixar movies (they are real good at that):

- In Toy Story, Woody's desire is to get rid of Buzz, but through the course of the story, he discovered how actually cool Buzz is and befriends him. That's why his desire switches from getting rid of Buzz to Saving Buzz and going back home with him.

- In Wall-E, Wall-e's desire is to join back Eve. But when Wall-E discovers Eve's true purpose and her own desire he decides by an act of love to join her cause and act against the ship's commander to bring back the vessel to earth.

- In finding Nemo, Marlin is overprotective of Nemo, his boy, he has hard time trusting him. So when Nemo disappear his entire desire will be to find him freezed by the fear that he might die. But Nemo is a smart boy, his voyage makes him gain confidence, so when Marlin finds Nemo and Dory is about to get snatched by fishermen, Nemo will run in confidence towards danger, his father will end up understanding his mistakes and his desire will change. From wanting to protect Nemo, Marlin will end up helping him wanting his son to succeed.

Desires are only there to make you take a glimps at the inner needs of characters. That needs with Yamato was to understand the true reality of freedom. But they often change to make us understand that the character went through a transformative journey. This is why Yamato went from "I want to go with Luffy" to "I want to go with Momo". Yamato understood that Freedom is not the see, it's what you take for yourself, its your inner desire. Freedom can be achieved everywhere and there is no better freedom than to do the actual opposite of what your fascist father wanted for you.

Jinbei for example didn't join in Fishman island arc, he joined in Wano

Indeed, but contrary to Yamato, Oda let the door open, we knew Jinbe would join after his responsibility. Here with Yamato there is nothing more. It's a character arc ending, simply. Luffy does indeed tells Yamato that if she wants to join she can, but he does that more all of them. This is a way to close the arc and to make the desire go away smoothly.

 

[Berry Rich]

Stussy is not a vampire. Why? Simple:

Spoiler: Patrick Redfield

Patrick Redfield (non-canon)
One Piece: Unlimited World Red
Main antagonist
Designed by Oda

Bat-Bat Fruit, Model: Vampire

After eating the Mythical Zoan-type Devil Fruit during the final confrontation of the game, he gains the power to make his teeth sharper to bite people's necks allowing him to suck their blood which causes them to quickly age, leaving them weakened with white hair and gray skin, while adding to his own power and granting him eternal youth.

Doesn't look like Kaku is aged but difficult to tell in black and white manga.

Redfield's hybrid form
Not a recommended look for Stussy to me

So Stussy probably has either a regular Zoan Bat fruit, an Ancient Zoan Bat fruit, or a Mythical Zoan of something like a succubus.

Stussy is an agent of CP0.[2] In her cover as an emperor of the Underworld, she operates under the epithet of the "Queen of the Pleasure District".[1]

Her epithet clearly points to succubus.

Sanji doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Rambles]

By the way: Is that with the Stussy-train just a means to pass the time for you all until the next chapter comes out or are you being serious in thinking she could possibly join the SHP?

I can't really distinguish one from the other - I sometimes have problems with comprehending underlying interpersonal messages in real life and I'm not going to be a party pooper and destroy your fun if it's the first one.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

By the way: Is that with the Stussy-train just a means to pass the time for you all until the next chapter comes out or are you being serious in thinking she could possibly join the SHP?

I can't really distinguish one from the other - I sometimes have problems with comprehending underlying interpersonal messages in real life and I'm not going to be a party pooper and destroy your fun if it's the first one.

Both.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

By the way: Is that with the Stussy-train just a means to pass the time for you all until the next chapter comes out or are you being serious in thinking she could possibly join the SHP?

I can't really distinguish one from the other - I sometimes have problems with comprehending underlying interpersonal messages in real life and I'm not going to be a party pooper and destroy your fun if it's the first one.

As serious as you are about Lucci

 

[Rambles]

As serious as you are about Lucci

So, instead of destroying your fun I'm merely destroying wishes and hopes when I say that Stussy is not a defector, but is still with the WG and just enforcing Akainu's order upon the situation?

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

So, instead of destroying your fun I'm merely destroying wishes and hopes when I say that Stussy is not a defector, but is still with the WG and just enforcing Akainu's order upon the situation?

I mean sure if you want the next chapter to prove you wrong.

She's definitely the helper Vegapunk was alluding to.

 

[Rambles]

I mean if sure if you want the next chapter to prove you wrong.

She's definitely the helper Vegapunk was alluding to.

The help Vegapunk called, is in my opinion someone else.

I do think she is still with the WG. She reminded her collegues more than once that the navy wanted them to not engage with the SHs. And the last time, she asked Lucci if he was determined to ignore Akainu, and he made the statement that he is not recognizing Luffy as an emperor, she realised that Kaku and Lucci could not be kept in line with just words - so she used one of her abilities to stop them. It was also her who made another agent contact the Navy - not the gorosei: their direct superiors! - no - the navy of all people! Akainu has nothing to do with their mission! Why is she calling him?

 

[Emmazrine]

I mean if sure if you want the next chapter to prove you wrong.

She's definitely the helper Vegapunk was alluding to.

didn't vegapunk refer the helper as *he*?
what did the official translation say?

 

[Sigran101]

The help Vegapunk called, is in my opinion someone else.

I do think she is still with the WG. She reminded her collegues more than once that the navy wanted them to not engage with the SHs. And the last time, she asked Lucci if he was determined to ignore Akainu, and he made the statement that he is not recognizing Luffy as an emperor, she realised that Kaku and Lucci could not be kept in line with just words - so she used one of her abilities to stop them. It was also her who made another agent contact the Navy - not the gorosei: their direct superiors! - no - the navy of all people! Akainu has nothing to do with their mission! Why is she calling him?

This is definitely a possibility. I give it a 60/40 chance in favor of her being Vegapunk's helper. But even if she is still with the Navy, her connection with Vegapunk can't be ignored.