Speculations Does this logic work for remaining islands? If so, what do you think comes next?

What Islands do we have left?

  • Underworld

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Fullalead

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Elbaf

    Votes: 16 84.2%

  • Lodestar

    Votes: 13 68.4%

  • Laugh Tale

    Votes: 16 84.2%

  • New Marineford

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • Mariejois

    Votes: 14 73.7%

  • God Valley

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • The Moon

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
Paperchampion23

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A big part of OP speculation really comes down to how much of the journey is left. Im notably obsessed with this topic lol and did touch on this a few years ago. But now, knowing more plotlines, it does get you thinking more about it.

We know Oda loves paralleling and numbers of things all the time. I wonder if Oda is directly counting the number of locations hes doing for both Paradise/NW. Discounting Reverse Mountain/FI, which are on the Red Line, Paradise has 14 locations:

- Whiskey Peak
- Little Garden
- Drum
- Alabasta
- Jaya
- Skypiea
- LRLL
- W7
- Enies Lobby
- Thriller Bark
- Sabaody
- Amazon Lily
- Impel Down
- Marineford


For simplicity, lets use Oda's words and remove Amazon Lily, ID, and Marineford as they are a "side journey". Now we are down to 11 locations.

Do the same for NW:

- Punk Hazard
- Dressrosa
- Zou
- WCI
- Wano
- Egghead

Thats 6 of 11. Lets assume Elbaf, Lodestar and Laugh Tale fill 3 more of those locations, being now 9. Hypothetically, if you can believe this idea, what would the 2 remaining Islands be?

There are potentially quite a few other options out there:

- Fullalead
- Underworld
- The Moon
- God Valley

Granted, I think God Valley (currently) is a destroyed location with the same fate as Lulusia and like Ohara, will feature heavily in a flashback when Rocks is shown (maybe with Kuma?). The Moon may or may not be directly tied to the EoS, so I'd put my money on the remaining islands looking like this:

- Egghead
- Underworld
- Fullalead
- Elbaf
- Lodestar
- Laugh Tale

If we include our Amazon Lily/ID/Marineford "side trips" as the Final War after the journey, then I can finally see:

- New Marineford
- Mariejois
- The Moon


Tldr:

There are ~3 islands left before Lodestar/Laugh Tale. One Piece is also Final Fantasy game and actually ends on the Moon:akaman:

No tags, too lazy, but may the thread prosper:phoenixmarco:
 
AverageNamiEnjoyer

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Egghead = Drum island
Elbaf = Little garden
Lodestar = Whiskey peak
Laugh tale = Reverse mountain
Destroying reverse Mountain and meeting laboon
Most of the strawhats fulfilling their dreams like they promised before entering grand line

Logue town = Logue town (epilogue and prologue)
Mary Geoise = Arlong park
Destroying other side of Red line and Fishmen island = destroying Arlong park
 
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Paperchampion23

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Warchief Sanji D Goat said:
I think Underworld, Moon and New Marineford/Mariejois will be included as part of major arcs.

Like how Amazon Lily and Impel Down are build-up arcs for Marineford War.
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Yes, what i was trying to convey is there is a difference between arcs and physical locations. For example, W7 and Enies Lobby are both part of CP9, but I am treating then as separate locations here.

Buuuuut, maybe they shouldnt be treated as separate since W7 is the only direct measure of island progress. If so, that would only mean 10 locations for Paradise, meaning outside of Elbaf, Lodestar and Laugh Tale, only 1 more location "could" fit.

In that case, I would still only guess Fullalead. Then as you say, the EoS arc/saga contains some additional locations/arcs for the final war.
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K!NG HARA$H!MA said:
Only around 3 arc left.

Egg head - Current
Elbaf - SH vs BB
Short arc for build up
WG- Final arc

It's fit nicely with the countdown
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Lodestar and Laugh tale need to happen before WG. The story has conveyed that multiple times. We cant go backwards to Mariejois/FI (i.e. the prophecy), until we go forward and finish the journey. This is why 150 chapters remaining does not make sense in context. Its far too short, even if Elbaf is next.
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AverageNamiEnjoyer said:
every arc after Egghead will be Elbaf saga...
Everything is connected to Elbaf ..
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@AverageNamiEnjoyer While we could have 1-2 islands lead to Elbaf for a big fight, it cannot be the endgame.

We know this because Fishman Island has a prophecy with Luffy, indicating we must go back near Mariejois for the endgame at some point.

Essentially what Im saying is that we must complete the journey. Kid's route to Lodestar/ Laugh Tale is more indirect than Laws, yet hes at Elbaf. This implies when we go to Elbaf, we still have more to go after, especially because of Lodestar and Laugh Tale. Whitebeard and Rogers dialogue also suggest someone must get One Piece in order to fight the WG (i.e. go to Laugh Tale first).

This is why in the least:

Egghead -> Elbaf -> Lodestar/Laugh Tale -> New Marineford/Mariejois must occur essentially in this order.
 
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Herrera95

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I know we are not having Elbaf.

Lodestar and Laugh Tale is a must. Laugh Tale is the ultimate goal and can't go there without going Lodestar first. By the way makes no fucking sense Roger Crew being the first to reach Lodestar is not something that hard as Laugh Tale.

Then Mariejoa is also a must. Is where the story ends and everything is explained and resolved.

New Marineford is the less likely of those but it makes sense too I guess.

God Valley doesn't exist anymore.

The Moon is completely irrelevant(doesn't One Piece have 7 moons?).

Underworld... Just a dream.

Elbaf... Forget.

Fullaled is the most likely of those but still I don't see any reason to go there.
 
Konstantis

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Ok, so if we talk about numbers and symbolic meaning chapter 100 called begining of the voyage and finished with getting to Grand Line. Now chapter 1100 I believe will show us road to Raftel
 
Paperchampion23

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Zaretball said:
Honestly, I don't see that many arc. Oda is already moving the world towards the final war. After Elbaf the final arc will probably happen mixing laughtale, loedstar and the WG battle in one arc.
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The issue with this is we know Fishman island's prophecy must be addressed, and FI is nowhere near Lodestar and assumedly Laugh Tale (as its beyond Lodestar).

Considering Mariejois is directly above FI and New Marineford is near Mariejois, all 3 locations will probably be the centerpiece of the final war, which maaay include the Moon or something I guess.

So geographically, going to Elbaf shouldnt randomly stop us from progressing on the journey, even if the 4th RP is found, because nothing specifies LT is in a random location on the ocean. People often misinterpret this picture:




The "X" is not Lodestar, Laugh Tale is. Roger isnt saying Lodestar is the geographical end, hes saying the exact opposite, where the the log pose would refuse to point to the next location.

This entirely means that Lodestar is the island where the island routes converge, and Laugh Tale lies in an area of ocean beyond this point, aka the "X". The anime even supported this, showing that Lodestar is the island BEFORE the arrow points further forward again:


And even early renditions of the journey in the manga shkw it (look at the top, where the routes converge and then that one island leads to another one as a singular arrow):




Tldr: Laugh Tale is as far away from Mariejois as possible. It makes no sense to not complete the journey first
 
AverageNamiEnjoyer

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Paperchampion23 said:
Yes, what i was trying to convey is there is a difference between arcs and physical locations. For example, W7 and Enies Lobby are both part of CP9, but I am treating then as separate locations here.

Buuuuut, maybe they shouldnt be treated as separate since W7 is the only direct measure of island progress. If so, that would only mean 10 locations for Paradise, meaning outside of Elbaf, Lodestar and Laugh Tale, only 1 more location "could" fit.

In that case, I would still only guess Fullalead. Then as you say, the EoS arc/saga contains some additional locations/arcs for the final war.
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Lodestar and Laugh tale need to happen before WG. The story has conveyed that multiple times. We cant go backwards to Mariejois/FI (i.e. the prophecy), until we go forward and finish the journey. This is why 150 chapters remaining does not make sense in context. Its far too short, even if Elbaf is next.
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@AverageNamiEnjoyer While we could have 1-2 islands lead to Elbaf for a big fight, it cannot be the endgame.

We know this because Fishman Island has a prophecy with Luffy, indicating we must go back near Mariejois for the endgame at some point.

Essentially what Im saying is that we must complete the journey. Kid's route to Lodestar/ Laugh Tale is more indirect than Laws, yet hes at Elbaf. This implies when we go to Elbaf, we still have more to go after, especially because of Lodestar and Laugh Tale. Whitebeard and Rogers dialogue also suggest someone must get One Piece in order to fight the WG (i.e. go to Laugh Tale first).

This is why in the least:

Egghead -> Elbaf -> Lodestar/Laugh Tale -> New Marineford/Mariejois must occur essentially in this order.
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I don't mean in that way.
Elbaf is not gonna be last destination of strawhats that will be moon just like Enel .
Just like Luffy climb giant jack to reach Enel , he will climb world tree to reach moon...

All of the destinations will be part of Elbaf saga.
Elbaf will be beginning of Ragnarok..
In Laugh tale we will learn about giant named Joyboy.
After destroying Mary Geoise , Luffy will need to return to Elbaf ...
AverageNamiEnjoyer said:
Egghead = Drum island
Elbaf = Little garden
Lodestar = Whiskey peak
Laugh tale = Reverse mountain
Destroying reverse Mountain and meeting laboon
Most of the strawhats fulfilling their dreams like they promised before entering grand line

Logue town = Logue town (epilogue and prologue)
Mary Geoise = Arlong park
Destroying other side of Red line and Fishmen island = destroying Arlong park
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Everything will have some connection with Elbaf and giants..
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Herrera95 said:
I know we are not having Elbaf.

Lodestar and Laugh Tale is a must. Laugh Tale is the ultimate goal and can't go there without going Lodestar first. By the way makes no fucking sense Roger Crew being the first to reach Lodestar is not something that hard as Laugh Tale.

Then Mariejoa is also a must. Is where the story ends and everything is explained and resolved.

New Marineford is the less likely of those but it makes sense too I guess.

God Valley doesn't exist anymore.

The Moon is completely irrelevant(doesn't One Piece have 7 moons?).

Underworld... Just a dream.

Elbaf... Forget.

Fullaled is the most likely of those but still I don't see any reason to go there.
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I agree with most of this except we are 100% going to Elbaf and that One Piece has 1 moon. People are misinterpreting Clover's geocentric model as moons. There are 5 planets and 1 moon shown on that model, which is 1:1 to what geocentric models looked like in history with the 5 observable planets surrounding Earth, plus the Moon and Sun.

Yes Underworld is a "dream". Yes God Valley is likely just a FB island/destroyed like Lulusia. Yes to Lodestar/Laugh Tale/New Marineford/Mariejois. Yes to Fullalead as a decent possibility.

Think about this logically though, Oda does not hide islands we never visit. Not showing Elbaf with Kid 100% means Luffy is going, not to mention the 1000x its been teased, far more than Fullalead.
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AverageNamiEnjoyer said:
I don't mean in that way.
Elbaf is not gonna be last destination of strawhats that will be moon just like Enel .
Just like Luffy climb giant jack to reach Enel , he will climb world tree to reach moon...

All of the destinations will be part of Elbaf saga.
Elbaf will be beginning of Ragnarok..
In Laugh tale we will be learnt about giant named Joyboy.
After destroying Mary Geoise , Luffy will need to return to Elbaf ...


Everything will have some connection with Elbaf and giants..
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Personally I cant see it being this complicated.

Just having Luffy finish the journey (Egghead -> X?-> Elbaf ->X? -> Lodestar-> Laugh Tale) is how the story must go before New Marineford -> Mariejois. To go back and forth between locations on a journey that took 20+ years to realize makes little sense to me.

The moon being a factor for sure is interesting still, regardless of it being at Elbaf, EoS or somewhere else.
 
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Herrera95

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Paperchampion23 said:
I agree with most of this except we are 100% going to Elbaf and that One Piece has 1 moon. People are misinterpreting Clover's geocentric model as moons. There are 5 planets and 1 moon shown on that model, which is 1:1 to what geocentric models looked like in history with the 5 observable planets surrounding Earth, plus the Moon and Sun.

Yes Underworld is a "dream". Yes God Valley is likely just a FB island/destroyed like Lulusia. Yes to Lodestar/Laugh Tale/New Marineford/Mariejois. Yes to Lodestar as a decent possibility.

Think about this logically though, Oda does not hide islands we never visit. Not showing Elbaf with Kid 100% means Luffy is going, not to mention the 1000x its been teased, far more than Fullalead.
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So Clover's basically says that there are 4 other planets close enough to be visited? I mean if people from Moon can come here and we can go to the Moon the other planets are visitable too.

Didn't even thought about God Valley being destroyed like Lulusia. Seems the most plausible now but Tenryuubito was there too. I wonder if Im waited long enough for Tenryuubito to be safe than take advantage that both Roger and Rocks Crew were there to end them both together.

Oda does not hide islands we never visit?? Where this comes from? If Oda shows an island then we don't need to visit?

Guess what we already saw Elbaf at Big Mom's flashback. No reason to visit there. We already saw Mariejoa too, so we are not visiting? We saw a part of Laugh Tale...
 
Paperchampion23

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Herrera95 said:
So Clover's basically says that there are 4 other planets close enough to be visited? I mean if people from Moon can come here and we can go to the Moon the other planets are visitable too.

Didn't even thought about God Valley being destroyed like Lulusia. Seems the most plausible now but Tenryuubito was there too. I wonder if Im waited long enough for Tenryuubito to be safe than take advantage that both Roger and Rocks Crew were there to end them both together.

Oda does not hide islands we never visit?? Where this comes from? If Oda shows an island then we don't need to visit?

Guess what we already saw Elbaf at Big Mom's flashback. No reason to visit there. We already saw Mariejoa too, so we are not visiting? We saw a part of Laugh Tale...
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No dont take the model too literally. The planets arent close. Its just that they are clearly Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, which is why now speculation on Gorosei names is rampant.

The moon is reachable, because Enel reached it. Thats all of thats payoff eventually, then so be it. We know its deeply tied to the lore.

And yes....Oda does not hide islands we never visit. God Valley is hidden, implying either we will go there or it will be revealed in a flashback. BMs flashback never properly shows Elbaf. Even after this, Kid's scene never properly shows it either. It strongly implies we are going there....im not sure why I have to explain this, theres tons of plot reasons why we are going to Elbaf lol, more than any other island outside of Laugh Tale.

Its the same logic with Lodestar/Laugh Tale. Hidden Island designs imply they will be shown off later. Revealed locations like Fullalead, New Marineford and Mariejois have high chances of visiting due to plot, like Elbaf.

The only one that has a low chance atm is the Underworld, because there is no defined island and the plotlines tying it together are minimal. However, Egghead was unknown prior to Wano, and was only guessed based on smaller plotlines, so who knows.
 
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Herrera95

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Paperchampion23 said:
No dont take the model too literally. The planets arent close. Its just that they are clearly Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, which is why now speculation on Gorosei names is rampant.

The moon is reachable, because Enel reached it. Thats all of thats payoff eventually, then so be it. We know its deeply tied to the lore.

And yes....Oda does not hide islands we never visit. God Valley is hidden, implying either we will go there or it will be revealed in a flashback. BMs flashback never properly shows Elbaf. Even after this, Kid's scene never properly shows it either. It strongly implies we are going there....im not sure why I have to explain this, theres tons of plot reasons why we are going to Elbaf lol, more than any other island outside of Laugh Tale.
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Doesn't matter how close the planets are. If it is only one Moon and the moon has a race living there that can go to other planets that is not illogical to think we can travel to Moon and then travel to another planet.

God Valley probably erased like Lulusia as you talked.

There were tons of plot reasons for ZKK too. But Oda delayed for when Kaido have it's awakening and is not the focus of the arc.

Everybody said Elbaf would be after Wano. Wano ended and we had Egghead.

I don't see a reason to go to Elbaf. Just because Vegapunk said Saul brought the books there? Vegapunk already knows everything written in those books.
 
Paperchampion23

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Herrera95 said:
Doesn't matter how close the planets are. If it is only one Moon and the moon has a race living there that can go to other planets that is not illogical to think we can travel to Moon and then travel to another planet.

God Valley probably erased like Lulusia as you talked.

There were tons of plot reasons for ZKK too. But Oda delayed for when Kaido have it's awakening and is not the focus of the arc.

Everybody said Elbaf would be after Wano. Wano ended and we had Egghead.

I don't see a reason to go to Elbaf. Just because Vegapunk said Saul brought the books there? Vegapunk already knows everything written in those books.
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I was literally one of those people that gussed a VP arc was next, not Elbaf lol. And bro...ZKK and Elbaf are two completely incomparable things lmao. ZKK wasnt ever a planned thing, it was a theory put together by happenstance and coincidence on things people wanted to be true.

The Moon is the only highlighted stellad object so Id assume its the only one wed actually get to if anything.
 
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