Powers & Abilities Gear 5th has a time limit | Is Luffy slowly running out of Joy Boy's Haki
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No I said you have intellectual ability of a donkey.
And I am deducing that based on your stupid post.
You still haven't told us how did Luffy get his Haki back after dying.
One piece fundamental is that you run out of Haki you die, and you die you run out of Haki. That's why Zoro can't keep using Enma forever as he could run out of Haki.
And Luffy was pronounced death.
If Joy Boy's fruit reincarnated him, why won't it give him Joy Boy's Haki?
And then you said retarded as
Oden's Haki shit
Is Enma giving Zoro Haki or is it taking?
Because Manga said it takes Haki hence why Zoro could die.
And I am deducing that based on your stupid post.
You still haven't told us how did Luffy get his Haki back after dying.
One piece fundamental is that you run out of Haki you die, and you die you run out of Haki. That's why Zoro can't keep using Enma forever as he could run out of Haki.
And Luffy was pronounced death.
If Joy Boy's fruit reincarnated him, why won't it give him Joy Boy's Haki?
And then you said retarded as
Oden's Haki shit
Is Enma giving Zoro Haki or is it taking?
Because Manga said it takes Haki hence why Zoro could die.
And you were not condescending with Oden's Haki bullshit?
Not realizing it takes genuine effort to write a well formatted essay and instead of reading and address anything in it, you were snarky and trolling and been liking every snarky post here.
I love how nobody is willing to look at themselves.
I made a genuine well connected case for Joy Boy's residual Haki giving Luffy new life, you responded with usual thoughtless snarky "Oden's Haki" bullshit knowing damn well its debunked in manga. Like how the fuck can Enma give Zoro Haki and kill him at the same time?
Not realizing it takes genuine effort to write a well formatted essay and instead of reading and address anything in it, you were snarky and trolling and been liking every snarky post here.
I love how nobody is willing to look at themselves.
I made a genuine well connected case for Joy Boy's residual Haki giving Luffy new life, you responded with usual thoughtless snarky "Oden's Haki" bullshit knowing damn well its debunked in manga. Like how the fuck can Enma give Zoro Haki and kill him at the same time?
Who says it was well written in the first place?
You cherry picked arguments and interpreted them in way that suits your agenda.
The point of my first comment was that Joyboy's haki exists as much as Oden's haki in Enma - it doesn't.
Luffy's heartbeat was restarted through G5 i.e. the Drums of Liberation. His haki is still his own.
Now either respond without personal insults or get off my case.
You cherry picked arguments and interpreted them in way that suits your agenda.
The point of my first comment was that Joyboy's haki exists as much as Oden's haki in Enma - it doesn't.
Luffy's heartbeat was restarted through G5 i.e. the Drums of Liberation. His haki is still his own.
Now either respond without personal insults or get off my case.
Cherry Picking Huh?
Is there a single post on this forum that is anti Zoro and isn't cherry picked? Be honest we are just discussed cartoon right, on human level you can be honest, is there a single anti Zoro post after how strong Zoro is portrayed in manga that isn't cherry picked?
The whole fiasco of Enma having Oden's Haki, Enma helping Zoro, Enma's power was created in an attempt to discredit all of Zoro's accomplishments on roof top simply because Oda was portraying him better than Luffy despite giving Luffy genuinely like 4 power buffs. Every single attempt was made to create the hysterical idea that Zoro getting one Great, and not a supreme grade blade over another genuinely better blade, Shuhsui, blade of Sword God was apparently as big of a power up as Luffy getting
-Haki Blooming from Katakuri
-Barrier CoA
-Internal Destruction CoA
-Haki blooming from Kaido
Then Zoro being the second only man to Scar Kaido on his own fucking effort with 30 broken bones doing far more damage than Luffy was able to do even with CoC before Bajrang Gun was completely dismissed as well just so we can support tragic nonsense of "Zoro = Sanji" "Luffy was always above Zoro"
This is where the idea of cherry picking stops
Now I will address Joy Boy's Haki
Haki is directly linked to life force, it genuinely is, which is why Zoro is afraid if he keeps Using Enma, keeps overusing his Haki, he would eventually die unless he rests to refill his Haki
Which is why Luffy can use Gear 4th for only 10 minutes, Gear 4th which takes far far less Haki than Enma which is apparent due to laughable damage Luffy's CoA does to Kaido, and he needs CoC to compensate.
So if Haki is connected to Life Force, when Luffy died, which he did, he ran out of all of his Haki.
So if it is Joy Boy's fruit which reincarnated him, gave him new life, why would it not give Luffy new Haki? Where did Luffy get Haki from?
@Celestial D. Dragon
Wait so you are denying manga that Luffy was dead, and only saying he was Knocked Out?
Was Luffy dead or was he knocked out?
Is there a single post on this forum that is anti Zoro and isn't cherry picked? Be honest we are just discussed cartoon right, on human level you can be honest, is there a single anti Zoro post after how strong Zoro is portrayed in manga that isn't cherry picked?
The whole fiasco of Enma having Oden's Haki, Enma helping Zoro, Enma's power was created in an attempt to discredit all of Zoro's accomplishments on roof top simply because Oda was portraying him better than Luffy despite giving Luffy genuinely like 4 power buffs. Every single attempt was made to create the hysterical idea that Zoro getting one Great, and not a supreme grade blade over another genuinely better blade, Shuhsui, blade of Sword God was apparently as big of a power up as Luffy getting
-Haki Blooming from Katakuri
-Barrier CoA
-Internal Destruction CoA
-Haki blooming from Kaido
Then Zoro being the second only man to Scar Kaido on his own fucking effort with 30 broken bones doing far more damage than Luffy was able to do even with CoC before Bajrang Gun was completely dismissed as well just so we can support tragic nonsense of "Zoro = Sanji" "Luffy was always above Zoro"
This is where the idea of cherry picking stops
Now I will address Joy Boy's Haki
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Haki is directly linked to life force, it genuinely is, which is why Zoro is afraid if he keeps Using Enma, keeps overusing his Haki, he would eventually die unless he rests to refill his Haki
Which is why Luffy can use Gear 4th for only 10 minutes, Gear 4th which takes far far less Haki than Enma which is apparent due to laughable damage Luffy's CoA does to Kaido, and he needs CoC to compensate.
So if Haki is connected to Life Force, when Luffy died, which he did, he ran out of all of his Haki.
So if it is Joy Boy's fruit which reincarnated him, gave him new life, why would it not give Luffy new Haki? Where did Luffy get Haki from?
@Celestial D. Dragon
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Wait so you are denying manga that Luffy was dead, and only saying he was Knocked Out?
Was Luffy dead or was he knocked out?
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Of course all those posts are either cherry picking or delusion. I don't deny that, 90% of the posts on the forum are agenda driven and meant to rile up fans of any given character.
However, in the case of Luffy and Zoro running out of haki - they would die because their enemies are still standing and would jump on them once their haki ran out. Wouldn't you agree that that's a possible explanation of that line?
King was using all kinds of tactics so he would be willing to kill off a spent Zoro. Just like Doflamingo was ready to do to Luffy in Dressrosa, were it not for the plot device colosseum fighters.
I would have to look up the sbs, but Oda saod that Luffy would have still won in Dressrosa even if the gladiators weren't there. Meaning that running out of haki due to G4 would not play a factor in Doflamingo's defeat.
As for Luffy getting revived - I said multiple times G5 brought him back from near death/death. Hence the Drums of Liberation = heartbeat. But that is still his DF's awakening.
I mean it was done in a trashy way, sure, there's no denying that. But to say it's Joyboy's haki is disingenious when:
1) we don't have a confirmation it was Joyboy's fruit,
2) a concept of another person's haki being given to you doesn't exist in the story
The heartbeat brought him back to life, and once he was ok he could use haki again.
However, in the case of Luffy and Zoro running out of haki - they would die because their enemies are still standing and would jump on them once their haki ran out. Wouldn't you agree that that's a possible explanation of that line?
King was using all kinds of tactics so he would be willing to kill off a spent Zoro. Just like Doflamingo was ready to do to Luffy in Dressrosa, were it not for the plot device colosseum fighters.
I would have to look up the sbs, but Oda saod that Luffy would have still won in Dressrosa even if the gladiators weren't there. Meaning that running out of haki due to G4 would not play a factor in Doflamingo's defeat.
As for Luffy getting revived - I said multiple times G5 brought him back from near death/death. Hence the Drums of Liberation = heartbeat. But that is still his DF's awakening.
I mean it was done in a trashy way, sure, there's no denying that. But to say it's Joyboy's haki is disingenious when:
1) we don't have a confirmation it was Joyboy's fruit,
2) a concept of another person's haki being given to you doesn't exist in the story
The heartbeat brought him back to life, and once he was ok he could use haki again.
Well overall I agree with this post, this is very healthy discussion and I like it.
I'll say this, it is actually established in this manga that Haki is a person's life force, that's why every person posses Haki, obviously Rayleigh was referring to CoA there as CoC is rare, only special few among millions are born with it.
But Haki is a person's presence, his aura, his assence.
When Luffy and Zoro need break, they are Low on Haki, just like we are low on stamina when we work out too much. But they don't 100% run out of it because running out of Haki in One Piece means your life has ended.
Chakra and Ki are the same way in Naruto and DBZ respectively right?
So I am not sure how Luffy got his Haki back after dying.
How did the idea of death work there?
If Luffy died, his Haki, and his essence died too right?
Joy Boy's fruit gave him new life, and in a way new Haki?
I'll say this, it is actually established in this manga that Haki is a person's life force, that's why every person posses Haki, obviously Rayleigh was referring to CoA there as CoC is rare, only special few among millions are born with it.
But Haki is a person's presence, his aura, his assence.
When Luffy and Zoro need break, they are Low on Haki, just like we are low on stamina when we work out too much. But they don't 100% run out of it because running out of Haki in One Piece means your life has ended.
Chakra and Ki are the same way in Naruto and DBZ respectively right?
So I am not sure how Luffy got his Haki back after dying.
How did the idea of death work there?
If Luffy died, his Haki, and his essence died too right?
Joy Boy's fruit gave him new life, and in a way new Haki?
