Controversial General Political Discussion

[ShiShiShi]

You are right Zolo.
We dont need DNA changing vaccines.
Elderly can get them, but not the young ones.
Natural immunity >>> Vaccines.

You know how Luffy almost died due to getting poisoned by Magellan in Impel Down?

Well, it was stated that he received some immunity to poison afterward. That’s something he wouldn’t have had if he hadn’t gone through that. His immune system developed a defense against it.

That’s kinda how vaccines work. Looking deep into the rabbit hole of conspiracies and political jumbo jumbo isn’t gonna help you any.

People go to the doctor, get a vaccine, possibly feel bad the next day (because that’s a natural response) and feel better afterward.

Not everything is preventable with natural immunity. I don’t think we even have natural immunity for a lot of things. If we did, then why would vaccines exist in the first place?

It’s such a simple process that I don’t understand why a lot of people argue against it.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

he had some good guests tho

Again, just like the negative reactions to vaccines in a small handful of people, the exceptions prove the rule; his few chats with people like Bernie don’t excuse hosting Musk, Peterson et al. and not challenging anything they say.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but i always thought that Mr. Microsoft's obsession with the vaccine was/is pretty sus.

People like him smell when there's money to be made
The vaccines are a huge business, same with the masks. Remember the shady mask deals of our government? And the thousands of unused masks they burned?

 

[NAMELESS]

Who’s silencing anyone? Am I deleting or reporting your posts? You can say whatever you want, but as usual, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences or reproach from people who think you’re a jackass. Businesses and private owners are fully within their rights to let people go when they’re spreading misinformation and ignoring public health regulations, it’s nobody’s fault you got shafted at work but your own - even if you didn’t want the vaccine, you could control yourself in a professional setting and not bitch about it. I’m just saying that I’m much more inclined to listen to the people who actually know what they’re talking about, what goes into creating cures, than people on anime forums who think their individual experience is the only one that matters. The doctors and scientists may not be 100 percent correct, but they are a HELL of a lot closer to the truth than anyone else, can’t make you see reason if you can’t infer by yourself that they aren’t all lying. Acting like the minuscule percentage of patients who developed painful responses to getting vaxxed is the rule rather than the exception is dangerous and a complete avoidance of reality.

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Like, the polio vaccine didn’t automatically cure everyone who had it, but it DID permanently heal enough people who did that we can safely say it works - not all the time, but a vast majority of cases. Gimme a fuckin’ break with the side effects thing, it sucks for people who have to deal with it but discredting vaccines in general because it happens to a few unlucky souls is asinine.

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Also, if you don’t agree with getting vaxxed or wearing masks, that’s totally fine! There are plenty of like-minded people and businesses out there, go hang around them instead of causing trouble in places where people wanna feel safe

There was a polio vacine that actually infected many kids wayyy back in the day.I will try to search it up and post it here later.Many people didn't want to get vaxx because its was a new tech and people weren't sure how it would affect people's health.You can't blame common folk for being distrustiful of media and pharmaceutical companies.They are far from Saints.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but i always thought that Mr. Microsoft's obsession with the vaccine was/is pretty sus.

Cause they wanted to make money off of it instead of waiving the patent for everyone to manufacture it.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

What's funny is they freak out and act like snowflakes when they get banned and people challenge them.

B-but muh freedom of speech!!

 

[MarineHQ]

People like him smell when there's money to be made
The vaccines are a huge business, same with the masks. Remember the shady mask deals of our government? And the thousands of unused masks they burned?

Yeah i remember very well and how they were constantly contradicting each other week after week as if they wanted to test how much BS they can feed us. Let's see how the next 2 months ago. A shit ton of my friends got sick again.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

B-but muh freedom of speech!!

SHUT UP! CANCELLED!

 

[Adam 🍎]

Again, just like the negative reactions to vaccines in a small handful of people, the exceptions prove the rule; his few chats with people like Bernie don’t excuse hosting Musk, Peterson et al. and not challenging anything they say.

That's kinda what i like about him. He had guests from the left and from right and center. Sure would be easy to only go one route but the dude genuinely seems interested in talking

He did start as anti vax but soon came around and became pro vax simply bcs of interactions with people on podcast.

Hell he also railed Alex Jones pretty hard

 

[Uncle Van]

I still have to sue vaccine makers for false advertising. I've yet to grow horns or levitate from the vaccine like my conspiracy brothers warned me about.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

There was a polio vacine that actually infected many kids wayyy back in the day.I will try to search it up and post it here later.Many people didn't want to get vaxx because its was a new tech and people weren't sure how it would affect people's health.You can't blame common folk for being distrustiful of media and pharmaceutical companies.They are far from Saints.

And I’m sure people didn’t get vaxxed for that either, there’s no difference between the discourse surrounding polio and that around COVID. I work in the healthcare industry so you don’t have to condescend to me about the evil things all corporations - including pharmaceuticals - do on a regular basis. What I find difficult to believe is that in such a capitalistic country/world, any organization would provide a product that kills its consumers, thereby removing a major source of profit...so poisoning people with something advertised as a cure is not only an insane thing to believe, it’s also bad business.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

People go to the doctor, get a vaccine, possibly feel bad the next day (because that’s a natural response) and feel better afterward.

Yet a small percentage of people experience adverse long term side effects that nobody talks about. Vaccine scepticism and vaccine damages have been around before covid. The problem is that it's not easy to prove that ta person's chronic condition eas caused by a vaccine.

I wish we as a society were more open to talking about uncomfortable things such as this.
Yes, the affected people might be a minority but they exist and have a right to be heard.

 

[NAMELESS]

And I’m sure people didn’t get vaxxed for that either, there’s no difference between the discourse surrounding polio and that around COVID. I work in the healthcare industry so you don’t have to condescend to me about the evil things all corporations - including pharmaceuticals - do on a regular basis. What I find difficult to believe is that in such a capitalistic country/world, any organization would provide a product that kills its consumers, thereby removing a major source of profit...so poisoning people with something advertised as a cure is not only an insane thing to believe, it’s also bad business.

yes,but you have to remember there were like a dozen companies rushing to put a product on the market.Some of those were destined to have poor quality control and be a hazard to health.Vaccines take a long time to be properly developed.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Cause they wanted to make money off of it instead of waiving the patent for everyone to manufacture it.

Waiving the FUCKING patent would have been life saving for many people in developing countries.
Some of the variants would have never evolved had these people gotten their vaccine like the industrial nations.
When Germans got their 3rd shot most Africans were still unvaccinated AGAINST THEIR WILL

 

[NAMELESS]

Yet a small percentage of people experience adverse long term side effects that nobody talks about. Vaccine scepticism and vaccine damages have been around before covid. The problem is that it's not easy to prove that ta person's chronic condition eas caused by a vaccine.

I wish we as a society were more open to talking about uncomfortable things such as this.
Yes, the affected people might be a minority but they exist and have a right to be heard.

exactly.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Waiving the FUCKING patent would have been life saving for many people in developing countries.
Some of the variants would have never evolved had these people gotten their vaccine like the industrial nations.
When Germans got their 3rd shot most Africans were still unvaccinated AGAINST THEIR WILL

yes. Millions of people could've been saved.

 

[ShiShiShi]

Yet a small percentage of people experience adverse long term side effects that nobody talks about. Vaccine scepticism and vaccine damages have been around before covid. The problem is that it's not easy to prove that ta person's chronic condition eas caused by a vaccine.

I wish we as a society were more open to talking about uncomfortable things such as this.
Yes, the affected people might be a minority but they exist and have a right to be heard.

Sure, that small percentage of people are important too. However, their unfortunate circumstances shouldn’t be used as a way to be like “SEE?! THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T USE THESE! THEY’RE KILLING OFF OUR POPULATION! THE END IS NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR!!!” or something incredibly dramatic like that.

As long as the vaccines work for the majority of people, they should still be made to protect them.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

yes,but you have to remember there were like a dozen companies rushing to a product on the market.Some of those were destined to have poor quality control and be a hazard to health.Vaccines take a long time to be properly developed.

Which is why you could choose which one you wanted (assuming you wanted one in the first place) based on which had the best trial results or most manageable side effects. I chose Moderna and heard Pfizer was fine, but Johnson and Johnson’s famously crapped out hard so I never considered it. The medical community didn’t exactly have time to perfect these things before they were released because letting the pandemic continue without taking any preventive measures was the demonstrably wrong choice (so much for “herd immunity”), so yeah, they weren’t ever going to be wholly effective from the start. Three years in, with boosters and tracking new variants, it’s MUCH safer than back then, so there’s even less reason to be unvaxxed now.

 

[NAMELESS]

Which is why you could choose which one you wanted (assuming you wanted one in the first place) based on which had the best trial results or most manageable side effects. I chose Moderna and heard Pfizer was fine, but Johnson and Johnson’s famously crapped out hard so I never considered it. The medical community didn’t exactly have time to perfect these things before they were released because letting the pandemic continue without taking any preventive measures was the demonstrably wrong choice (so much for “herd immunity”), so yeah, they weren’t ever going to be wholly effective from the start. Three years in, with boosters and tracking new variants, it’s MUCH safer than back then, so there’s even less reason to be unvaxxed now.

yeah,but some people didn't get to choose.I wanted to get boosted with pfizer,but couldn't find a public hospital that had it.Ended up getting a shot from another company.

 

[Doggo]

Number of deaths+number of people with lasting effects from the disease that we still have little knowledge of how long these will last+high demand of hospitalization that countries were not able to provide+deaths from other diseases or injuries that required hospitalization, but couldn't happen due to people with COVID taking most spaces available+ a collapse of the funerary system who couldn't keep up with the number of bodies, leading to extremely fucked up scenes of common graves, etc.

Or.

A few people with collateral effects from the vaccines.


It's not hard to understand what should be the priority. Or, at least, it shouldn't.


"but, but vaccine should take longer to be produced".
Yes. It should.
Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell that to the virus. Or the virus was a real dick and decided to ignore it.