[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

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Isnt cult leader guaranteed if we are facing cult ?
according to the wiki
they can and do kill. it literally states this
"The Cult faction relies exclusively on the Cult Leader to kill players."
https://tol.fandom.com/wiki/The_Cult_Leader
Without CL there wouldn't be Cult. But I guess they decided to convert until they have a full team.
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And why should we exactly? Come on give some details please.



The signup implied killing happens after certain BDs get converted.
I can't reveal why :/...
 
Ugh I said it doesn't matter who I investigated. If Apostle used Mind Warp on me, BD will appear as cult. If Apostle used Mind Warp on Cult, they will still appear as cult in my investigation result. Judging from BD, I think they will use Mind Warp on me to render me useless.
strong possibility but your claim to paladin and the fact you weren't killed on the second night / converted according to you might mean some role blockers might have done their job.

on the third night cult leader action on you might lead to his death

"You can not be healed if The Paladin Smites you."
so its very likely they came after you last night and were blocked.
 
strong possibility but your claim to paladin and the fact you weren't killed on the second night / converted according to you might mean some role blockers might have done their job.

on the third night cult leader action on you might lead to his death

"You can not be healed if The Paladin Smites you."
so its very likely they came after you last night and were blocked.
knowing we had an inactive observer and a claimed paladin is super duper shitty.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
Also you say to pressure people here but criticized me a few post earlier as pressuring Nat for her results when I asked it once. You need to make up your mind on whats good and whats not. I'm starting to think you aren't a good king.
Imo trying to pressure someone you find suspicious is normal scumhunting.
Trying to pressure an invest for info when they don't want to share it right away is sketchy.
Already did your majesty. What do you think of TAC? Who is your sus right now? Last day you sus Reborn, Sanji and Krogothwolf.
TAC looks fine to me. When he was scum, he always played more safely. When he is town, he tends to be more carefree with his posts like that Shakespearean post he made.

Since we don't get notified about killing attempts, I think the theory about no kills because TAC was jailed requires too many assumptions.

And yes, I am still suspicious of Reborn and Krogo. You said Lanji was BD so chances are, he still is one so I just misread him.

As for Reborn, his meta is really off this game. He is not as aggressive as in his previous games. He also tried to convince town to vote for Flower at first then finally agreed that she might be jester. Could of been an attempt of scum trying to redirect the vote to an easy lynch target.

I still find Krogo scummy, maybe I'll build a case later.

However, I am inclined to vote for Queen this phase. She doesn't post much so it will be hard to determine if she is scum or not through reads. The only thing that might convince me is if she claims or provide a sound argument on why we shouldn't lynch her. Otherwise, I'd prefer taking a chance with the results you got.
 
Imo trying to pressure someone you find suspicious is normal scumhunting.
Trying to pressure an invest for info when they don't want to share it right away is sketchy.

TAC looks fine to me. When he was scum, he always played more safely. When he is town, he tends to be more carefree with his posts like that Shakespearean post he made.

Since we don't get notified about killing attempts, I think the theory about no kills because TAC was jailed requires too many assumptions.

And yes, I am still suspicious of Reborn and Krogo. You said Lanji was BD so chances are, he still is one so I just misread him.

As for Reborn, his meta is really off this game. He is not as aggressive as in his previous games. He also tried to convince town to vote for Flower at first then finally agreed that she might be jester. Could of been an attempt of scum trying to redirect the vote to an easy lynch target.

I still find Krogo scummy, maybe I'll build a case later.

However, I am inclined to vote for Queen this phase. She doesn't post much so it will be hard to determine if she is scum or not through reads. The only thing that might convince me is if she claims or provide a sound argument on why we shouldn't lynch her. Otherwise, I'd prefer taking a chance with the results you got.
Lol, asking once is not considered pressuring. It's called asking, and wanting to know why people want to hide inforation would actually be part of scumhunting as well, perhaps they can't come up with a logical lie, you can catch them in a lie with information revealed. Its all part of scumhunting. Trying to call it pressuring right away makes no sense, then give a list that contradicts yourself then try to claim its not by saying "oh but its totally different!"

Again your actions and behaviours make me wonder what side your kingship landed on.

You can build a case all you want, it'd be a pretty bad case though.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
I can't reveal why :/...
This is a game where all claiming is allowed. We have no reason to believe that there is a mechanic like this.

strong possibility but your claim to paladin and the fact you weren't killed on the second night / converted according to you might mean some role blockers might have done their job.

on the third night cult leader action on you might lead to his death

"You can not be healed if The Paladin Smites you."
so its very likely they came after you last night and were blocked.
I'm lost, you mean NW was roleblocked?
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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TAC being so quick into unvoting is something I have a FoS on. It makes way more sense to wait for Queen's defence instead of acting this stubborn. Expecially the way he did with those macroscopic characters.
That's understandable. I don't like flip flopping / hastily voting because of that impression it gives. My entire reason to lynch Queen is based on my trust for @NeutralWatcher. If he thinks he made a flaw and is willing to unvote, I don't have any ground to stand on to pursue my lynch (as of now). Based on how Queen reacts later though, I'd be happy to put a vote back on her. Krog's description of her posts in this game leaves a lot wanting.

I wonder this myself. Does @TheAncientCenturion have some sort of an invisible mark on himself on this forum? :milaugh:
Is he super sneaky?
Honestly if I was cult, I wouldnt even touch TAC. He draws enough suspicion just by existing :D
I don't even know what I did. No matter what I do on these games, everyone wants me dead.
 
This is a game where all claiming is allowed. We have no reason to believe that there is a mechanic like this.
Well there are those trollbox that are wonky but to say they last the entire day when in the game its like a single message and then to be able to say hey forget what I said would imply they were affected by an ability which would contradict the I cannot say when asked about why. So really if she wasn't allowed to talk about it, she shouldn't even be able to say forget about how she acted.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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This is a game where all claiming is allowed. We have no reason to believe that there is a mechanic like this.
I 10000000% do not believe Flowa is anything BUT the Fool. But I do think it's better to keep an open mind about these sort of mechanics than to wholesale dismiss them. Flowa doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt considering the evidence we've got on her, though.
Okay, guys, got a favour to ask of you. Please forget what I said last DP. I wasn't feeling like myself back then ngl.
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Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
I 10000000% do not believe Flowa is anything BUT the Fool. But I do think it's better to keep an open mind about these sort of mechanics than to wholesale dismiss them. Flowa doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt considering the evidence we've got on her, though.

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Well there are those trollbox that are wonky but to say they last the entire day when in the game its like a single message and then to be able to say hey forget what I said would imply they were affected by an ability which would contradict the I cannot say when asked about why. So really if she wasn't allowed to talk about it, she shouldn't even be able to say forget about how she acted.

yeah, I don't buy it.

Probably just trying to talk herself out after being identified as the fool
 
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