Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

[Razgon]

Actually fundamentally and categorically false.
Even after Ashura, where Zoro's back was turned initially, Zoro turned around and took Thunder Bagua to face.

And Kaido himself was perception blitzed by Ashura, if Kaido couldn't see Ashura, how can thunder bagua be faster? You think Kaido can't see his own movements?

Fundamentally true. Kaido attacked after Zoro's back was turned. Kaido didn't use Thunder Bagua so Zoro can scar him. Zoro took Thunder Bagua which hit the side of his body

Thunder Bagua never landed on Zoro's face liar.

Had Kaido used Thunder Bagua, he blitzed Ashura. Thunder Bagua blitzed Boundman while Ashura feat was bliting non named attack of Kaido that Big Mom could reacted to.

 

[Boiroy]

You like bollywood more than south movies?

Bollywood>kollywood, mollywood etc? 😳

 

[Jailer]

Dude, he didn't know that he can damage King's defence mode until King himself started blocking.
How could he? King was no selling everything prior to that. And the only info he had then was regarding King's defence/speed mode mechanics.
While King likely knows, cause of experience with an advanced conqueror's user in Kaido.

Let's be intellectually honest here.
What is the purpose of that panel where King was blocking, on backfoot, and Zoro taunting him? It is Oda narratively spelling it out that King can no longer no-sell Zoro's attacks in defence mode.

Clearly, KoH Zoro can hurt defence mode King. Or else, that page had zero purpose.

And like I said, we don't know if King was in defence mode in that final attack. Too much fire cluttering.
Precedence however suggests that he might have been in defence mode, since all of King's prior fire attacks have been in his in defence mode.

I believe it when I see it, sorry


It simply means his final attack took into account the wound Zoro landed on King earlier. Same thing Franky did with Sasaki but with King that taken to another level.

Or his flame on his back turned off as it was his strongest fire attack as in a small panel zoomed there's no flame in his back.

Either of these two.

 

[grey matter]

If we go by the logic that him having broken bones would make him so weak, then he shouldn't have been able to use asura at all. It's not about intelligence, it's about suspension of disbelief. If we use the logic that sheer willpower allowed him to contend Kaido even though he had broken bones, then why can't that be extended to say that his willpower was so great that it allowed him to fight at his max temporarily?

While I agree that the nerf isn't as big as what Shishio is suggesting. Because anime logic =/= real world logic.

Clearly Oda has implied that Zoro was in his last legs, and close to his limit. This was why he had Zoro say "We can't continue like this, we are only wearing ourselves out. If this doesn't work, it's on you"
Law was surprised that Zoro could even fight properly and continuously slash Prometheus, after taking Hakai.

Point being.
Yeah, it certainly wasn't like some tiny fraction of what Zoro is capable of. But at the same time, it also wasn't anywhere close to maximum Zoro was capable of.

Let's take the middle ground instead of taking to extremes for the sake of agendas.
It wasn't like 1% or something that @ShishioIsBack is saying. It also wasn't 100% or close, like you guys are saying, Oda has shown us enough of imply that.
If I had to guess, probably like 50-60% of his max power was behind that.

 

[Psychiatrist]

Bollywood>kollywood, mollywood etc? 😳

i though bollywood was good before, but Man after watching Magadheera, i never looked after then. South movies have next level of swag.

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

But why does Zoro say there's no point in attacking him when his flames turned on?

Because zoro was unaware how strong his hits became after adv COC, he didn't knew what he was capable of.
He thought that his only way of success was to hit king when his fire was off but king's reaction tell us otherwise.
King knew that zoro would be out of energy soon, they actually talk about it but he also knew that conquer zoro was real problem now and tried his best to finish him.
If he was still invisible with his fire on, he would take zoro hits head on as he was doing before and attack zoro with no worries. Yet after he tried couple of moves ( while always defending ) he took his distance with his flying ability and used his strongest move to beat zoro. The very same fire that made king invisible now was a lava dragon but zoro was above all that with KoH mode.
Zoro's realization of how strong he is now came when he prepared for the final blow.
Sorry for my English man.

 

[Boiroy]

i though bollywood was good before, but Man after watching Magadheera, i never looked after then. South movies have next level of swag.

That was made like a decade ago

 

[Nikuzi]

Is Thunder Bagua even faster than Hakai?
What's the proof?

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Kantara was so boring tho.

All South Movies such balls

Kaido's TB was fsst enough for Luffy with future sight to get blitzed but with Hakai everyone had time to see it going towards them, i think that shows it isn't a particularly fast attack

Well that was the insanity of the scene
Even with 30 bones, where Law (who is Zoro's bitch) btw was shitting his pants at the thought of Zoro even being able to move.

In that condition Zoro had enough will power in him to pull out Ashura and even in that condition although not able to knock Kaido out, was able to at least scar him.

If Zoro was fresh there, I'd say Kaido would at least be knocked out.

I just see it as Zoro being able to use his max output of Haki and strength because he was put into a situation where he had to. His willpower allowed him to go at 100% for a moment. It's like in DBZ, nobody would say that goku using kaioken times whatever to beat the shit out vegeta was him in a weakened state, it's seen as him going all out, maybe even past his limits despite how hurt and fucked up he was. Its shonen 101, but that's just how I see it. I don't think Oda is using that kind of logic. No major character in one piece hero or villain has ever shown their best feat when fresh, it always happens when they're in a critical state becsuse that's storytelling. When Zoro and Mihawk fight, Mihawk won't show his best attack until after he's considerably hurt. Same thing will happen with Zoro. That's shonen writing.

 

[SakazOuki]

Godfy
Only character in the entire series that has defeated a top tier and WSC on actual panel.

All honors related to defeating a top tier belong solely to Akainu

 

[grey matter]

I believe it when I see it, sorry


It simply means his final attack took into account the wound Zoro landed on King earlier. Same thing Franky did with Sasaki but with King that taken to another level.

Believe what my guy? That Zoro can hurt him in defence mode?

We have an entire page with Zoro finally figuring out that he could hurt King's defence mode. With King blocking. Prior to that, he didn't know, because there was no info suggesting him that King's defence mode could be hurt.

It can't be more obvious than this.

Or else tell me the purpose of than entire page. Oda made King block and Zoro say all that for the lulz? Be reasonable man.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

If KOH Zoro couldn’t damage flame on King, King might genuinely be the dumbest character in the series.

 

[Redboy776]

Zoro realised or pointed out?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Kaido's TB was fsst enough for Luffy with future sight to get blitzed but with Hakai everyone had time to see it going towards them, i think that shows it isn't a particularly fast attack

I just see it as Zoro being able to use his max output of Haki and strength because he was put into a situation where he had to. His willpower allowed him to go at 100% for a moment. It's like in DBZ, nobody would say that goku using kaioken times whatever to beat the shit out vegeta was him in a weakened state, it's seen as him going all out, maybe even past his limits despite how hurt and fucked up he was. Its shonen 101, but that's just how I see it. I don't think Oda is using that kind of logic. No major character in one piece hero or villain has ever shown their best feat when fresh, it always happens when they're in a critical state becsuse that's storytelling. When Zoro and Mihawk fight, Mihawk won't show his best attack until after he's considerably hurt. Same thing will happen with Zoro. That's shonen writing.

That was not even Zoro's max out put as Zoro released far more Haki with King of Hell by his own admission and Zoro was in much better condition at that point.

And Haki isn't the only thing right? He can't maximize his physical strength due to 30 broken bones regardless of will power

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You like bollywood more than south movies?

Obviously lol

How can anyone like South Movies more than Bollywood?
3 Idiots?

 

[Thaidakar]

Woro conquering the threads again
Let's change topic.

Did it happen?

 

[Jailer]

Because zoro was unaware how strong his hits became after adv COC, he didn't knew what he was capable of.
He thought that his only way of success was to hit king when his fire was off but king's reaction tell us otherwise.
King knew that zoro would be out of energy soon, they actually talk about it but he also knew that conquer zoro was real problem now and tried his best to finish him.
If he was still invisible with his fire on, he would take zoro hits head on as he was doing before and attack zoro with no worries. Yet after he tried couple of moves ( while always defending ) he took his distance with his flying ability and used his strongest move to beat zoro. The very same fire that made king invisible now was a lava dragon but zoro was above all that with KoH mode.
Zoro's realization of how strong he is now came when he prepared for the final blow.
Sorry for my English man.

I simply think King can't be damaged either even with enhanced CoC attacks with his flames on, all evidence points to that, nothing points to Zoro not knowing he could do that, Oda didn't enforce any if that, he enforced Zoro figuring out the rules of King's body

 

[ShishioIsBack]

 

[grey matter]

If KOH Zoro couldn’t damage flame on King, King might genuinely be the dumbest character in the series.

They would rather come up with all sort of mental gymnastics than give Zoro any credit at all. It's quite fascinating.

"King blocked for the lulz"
I suppose they know King's limits better than King himself.

They would rather believe Oda drew that entire panel with King blocking and Zoro taunting him for the lulz to fill space to meet a chapter page quote, than accept the clear and obvious implication from that page.

 

[Psychiatrist]

All honors related to defeating a top tier belong solely to Akainu

Defeating Akainu will be an honor to Godfy.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

There was no flame on his back

Oda hasn't exactly shown King's back there tho, at least not clearly

 

[jm2345]

mid chapter, we probably won't see anything about Shanks vs Kid for a couple months at least and we probably won't even see him fight